Is Hoiberg the coach of this team next year?

[cipsucks]

5 hours ago, Ron Mexico said:

 HCFU has plenty of NIL to compete.

 

Are you talking about when Danny comes back later this month to get a long overdue standing ovation?  

[Norm Peterson]

Maybe we should change the thread title to "Is Hoiberg Coach of the Year."

 

This is from an Indiana guy ...

 

[Ron Mexico]

On 12/13/2023 at 2:56 PM, Norm Peterson said:

Here was my reaction:

 

 

Note how he used the word enemy. Tricky tricky Mitch.

It's forces the reader into the binary of either he's our friend or our enemy.

No Mitch, he plays for our direct competitor.

[49r]

50 minutes ago, Norm Peterson said:

Maybe we should change the thread title to "Is Hoiberg Coach of the Year."

 

This is from an Indiana guy ...

 

 

 

[Ron Mexico]

54 minutes ago, Norm Peterson said:

Maybe we should change the thread title to "Is Hoiberg Coach of the Year."

 

This is from an Indiana guy ...

 

 Don't anger the gods 

[Nebrasketball1979]

5 hours ago, Norm Peterson said:

Maybe we should change the thread title to "Is Hoiberg Coach of the Year."

 

This is from an Indiana guy ...

 

 

Ha, it is funny how much our perspective has changed since the Minnesota 2H debacle.  I look back at my early posts in this thread and cringe.  To be fair though, the 2H against Minnesota was one of the most pathetic 20 minute stretches I could remember in quite some time and that was against what I thought was a terrible basketball team.  It turns out Minnesota doesn't appear to be all that bad of a squad.  The Creighton game and the 2H of Minnesota appear to be an anomaly at this point (hopefully!).  I guess the moral of the story is that fortunes and our perspective can change quickly.  I'll try to remember after the next bad loss but this is precisely why fan is short for fanatic!  Fortunately we don't get paid to make head coaching decisions or Fred would have been run out of here hundreds of times over again 

Edited January 5 by Nebrasketball1979

[49r]

3 minutes ago, Nebrasketball1979 said:

 

Ha, it is funny how much our perspective has changed since the Minnesota 2H debacle.  I look back at my early posts in this thread and cringe.  To be fair though, the 2H against Minnesota was one of the most pathetic 20 minute stretches I could remember in quite some time and that was against what I thought was a terrible basketball team.  It turns out Minnesota doesn't appear to be all that bad of a squad.  The Creighton game and the 2H of Minnesota appear to be an anomaly at this point (hopefully!).  I guess the morale of the story is that fortunes and our perspective can change quickly.  I'll try to remember after the next bad loss but this is precisely why fan is short for fanatic!  Fortunately we don't get paid to make head coaching decisions or Fred would have been run out of here hundreds of times over again 

 

Just remember what coach says to the team in the locker room after every win:

 

"You know I never get too high or too low, but LET'S (effin') GO!!"

[hskr4life]

7 minutes ago, Nebrasketball1979 said:

 

Ha, it is funny how much our perspective has changed since the Minnesota 2H debacle.  I look back at my early posts in this thread and cringe.  To be fair though, the 2H against Minnesota was one of the most pathetic 20 minute stretches I could remember in quite some time and that was against what I thought was a terrible basketball team.  It turns out Minnesota doesn't appear to be all that bad of a squad.  The Creighton game and the 2H of Minnesota appear to be an anomaly at this point (hopefully!).  I guess the morale of the story is that fortunes and our perspective can change quickly.  I'll try to remember after the next bad loss but this is precisely why fan is short for fanatic!  Fortunately we don't get paid to make head coaching decisions or Fred would have been run out of here hundreds of times over again 

To be fair, the season could have went two completely different ways after that Minnesota debacle.  FH teams of the past would have folded.  This years team is different.  We’ve been trained not to expect the season to go the way it’s gone.

Edited January 5 by hskr4life

[AuroranHusker]

18 minutes ago, hskr4life said:

To be fair, the season could have went two completely different ways after that Minnesota debacle.  FH teams of the past would have folded.  This years team is different.  We’ve been trained not to expect the season to go the way it’s gone.

 

It's because Fred & Co. now have gritty, no-nonsense dudes who were born winners, not a bunch of guys looking for a pay check at the next level. It's the difference between Matty recruitin' and Fred now having a solid cast of experienced assistants who have brought the 'fit' to the roster instead of merely highly rated guys over a roster that fits together.... truly, it's remarkable the change Hoiberg has sustained under Trev Alberts 'The Process' AD instead of Bill 'Aloof' Moos. Nebrasketball is on the right path, let's see how far they go in 2024. GBR

 

Edited January 5 by AuroranHusker

[Ron Mexico]

41 minutes ago, Nebrasketball1979 said:

 

Ha, it is funny how much our perspective has changed since the Minnesota 2H debacle.  I look back at my early posts in this thread and cringe.  To be fair though, the 2H against Minnesota was one of the most pathetic 20 minute stretches I could remember in quite some time and that was against what I thought was a terrible basketball team.  It turns out Minnesota doesn't appear to be all that bad of a squad.  The Creighton game and the 2H of Minnesota appear to be an anomaly at this point (hopefully!).  I guess the morale of the story is that fortunes and our perspective can change quickly.  I'll try to remember after the next bad loss but this is precisely why fan is short for fanatic!  Fortunately we don't get paid to make head coaching decisions or Fred would have been run out of here hundreds of times over again 

Real talk. I've been a part of the mob since the end of his 2nd season and I don't have any regrets. Even at the end of last season I still believed that he needed to hit a minimum of an NIT (still do btw). Depending on the day I also believe that he needs to make the NCAA. I don't believe that is the least bit unreasonable based on his body of work at Nebraska. The performance of that never quit group from last season, despite being severely undermanned did give me pause, however that was year 4. We've all been around sports a long time and know that these kinds of turnarounds are unheard of and I'm not talking about from last season to this season but from what we saw the first 3 seasons to now. Can anyone think of a close example in college basketball? I can't. So, with that said... 

 

IF.... IF he manages to turn this around and get us to the NCAA and *gasp* actually win a game it would be one of the most incredible turnarounds of all time .... OF ALL TIME. @Norm Peterson said the quit part out loud in his first sentence. All of us are thinking it, and none of us want to say it for fear of what that would mean if it where to come true or if the opposite where to also come true. The joy of the former, from a sports perspective, would be matched only by sitting at the Orange Bowl watching the Huskers beat Miami and the later being at the Orange Bowl watching the Huskers lose as a Byron Bennet field goals goes wide left the year prior. As for me I'm going to live in the moment. I'm looking at the season in blocks of games. Once we get through those games then I'll focus on the next 4 games. I can't bring myself to look to far ahead. 

[aphilso1]

15 minutes ago, Ron Mexico said:

We've all been around sports a long time and know that these kinds of turnarounds are unheard of and I'm not talking about from last season to this season but from what we saw the first 3 seasons to now. Can anyone think of a close example in college basketball?

 

Pat Chambers at Penn State felt similar.  Had a 44% win percentage through his first six seasons, and never finished better than 10th in the B1G.  Then in his final three seasons he won 60% of his games and never finished worse than 10th.  Had a couple top 6 finishes and an NIT title, too.

[Art Vandalay]

18 minutes ago, Ron Mexico said:

Real talk. I've been a part of the mob since the end of his 2nd season and I don't have any regrets. Even at the end of last season I still believed that he needed to hit a minimum of an NIT (still do btw). Depending on the day I also believe that he needs to make the NCAA. I don't believe that is the least bit unreasonable based on his body of work at Nebraska. The performance of that never quit group from last season, despite being severely undermanned did give me pause, however that was year 4. We've all been around sports a long time and know that these kinds of turnarounds are unheard of and I'm not talking about from last season to this season but from what we saw the first 3 seasons to now. Can anyone think of a close example in college basketball? I can't. So, with that said... 

 

IF.... IF he manages to turn this around and get us to the NCAA and *gasp* actually win a game it would be one of the most incredible turnarounds of all time .... OF ALL TIME. @Norm Peterson said the quit part out loud in his first sentence. All of us are thinking it, and none of us want to say it for fear of what that would mean if it where to come true or if the opposite where to also come true. The joy of the former, from a sports perspective, would be matched only by sitting at the Orange Bowl watching the Huskers beat Miami and the later being at the Orange Bowl watching the Huskers lose as a Byron Bennet field goals goes wide left the year prior. As for me I'm going to live in the moment. I'm looking at the season in blocks of games. Once we get through those games then I'll focus on the next 4 games. I can't bring myself to look to far ahead. 

People seem to forget the first two seasons involved completely rebuilding a whole roster during a pandemic. That is truly a once in a lifetime event (we hope). Yes everyone had to deal with Covid but it was much easier for experienced teams with a solid roster in place. Not traveling to recruit or have guys visit our facilities was killer. So I have always given him the benefit of the doubt for those years.

 

I do agree it should only take 3-4 years to build a hoops program normally so I think he is on track for that if we take care of business this year. Never understood those that wanted him gone after year 2-3. 
 

Hope we never have to worry about it anymore.

[kldm64]

And if Fred does get us to the tournament and we actually win a game, our level of recruits will jump dramatically.  Hoiberg's name still cares alot of weight.  I agree it has taken longer than expected but think he has finally figured out what it takes to win in the Big 10 and how to recruit and build a roster.  

[Ron Mexico]

5 minutes ago, Art Vandalay said:

People seem to forget the first two seasons involved completely rebuilding a whole roster during a pandemic. That is truly a once in a lifetime event (we hope). Yes everyone had to deal with Covid but it was much easier for experienced teams with a solid roster in place. Not traveling to recruit or have guys visit our facilities was killer. So I have always given him the benefit of the doubt for those years.

 

I do agree it should only take 3-4 years to build a hoops program normally so I think he is on track for that if we take care of business this year. Never understood those that wanted him gone after year 2-3. 
 

Hope we never have to worry about it anymore.

Who's forgotten that? His record is only part of the issue. It was the play on the court. He could have done what he did last season his 1st season and been competitive, but he didn't do that. Do your remember the play on the court? Remember the offense? YOLO 3 balls. No, I quit giving him the benefit of the doubt by the end of his 3rd season. 

He was in charge of that mess and we can thank Trev for forcing him to make the necessary changes that have resulted in this team playing competitive basketball.

If he has the type of season that we are all expecting then I'm willing to reset everything and consider the '22-'23 season his year 1. 

 

Those first 3 years where so bad that it he would have win nearly 75% of his games for the next 4-5yrs just to get his overall record to .500. 

[49r]

I am 100% with you @Ron Mexico.  He does get a tiny bit of grace due to COVID right in the middle of the rebuild, but those first two years were bad.  Like, embarrassingly bad.

 

It must be said though that the culture flip that has occurred over the last half of last season and the first half of this season should be enough in my eyes to earn a bit more grace.  I don't think one can quantify what needs to happen this season (NIT, NCAA, etc.) for him to be retained.  It's gonna be more of an eye test and vibe thing going in to the offseason that will ultimately determine his fate.  I really hope he does enough for us to look forward to his return next season.

 

If he somehow manages a top 4 Big Ten finish and say, get that elusive NCAA Tourney win, then we're gonna be REAL nervous going into the offseason because I think he'll have plenty of suitors willing to make him some pretty attractive offers.  So, I say, let the man cook and stick behind him as best we can and let the season shake out as it will.

[Nebrasketball1979]

32 minutes ago, Ron Mexico said:

Those first 3 years where so bad that it he would have win nearly 75% of his games for the next 4-5yrs just to get his overall record to .500. 

 

[Art Vandalay]

1 hour ago, Ron Mexico said:

Who's forgotten that? His record is only part of the issue. It was the play on the court. He could have done what he did last season his 1st season and been competitive, but he didn't do that. Do your remember the play on the court? Remember the offense? YOLO 3 balls. No, I quit giving him the benefit of the doubt by the end of his 3rd season. 

He was in charge of that mess and we can thank Trev for forcing him to make the necessary changes that have resulted in this team playing competitive basketball.

If he has the type of season that we are all expecting then I'm willing to reset everything and consider the '22-'23 season his year 1. 

 

Those first 3 years where so bad that it he would have win nearly 75% of his games for the next 4-5yrs just to get his overall record to .500. 

Apparently lots of people because they still use his records those years as a reason for him to be gone. Still doing it this year until the last couple games.

 

He was definitely in charge no one is debating that. He was used to getting dudes and out scoring teams, we knew that, we all wanted that. With those rosters I don’t care what style he played it would have been ugly. So in hindsight it is super easy to say he should have played differently but that was not who we hired at the time.
 

IMO there are 2 reasons it didn’t work. Big10 is different and recruiting was very limited his first two years because of limited time in year 1 and then Covid. If things were not so crazy those years I would bet his record would have been much improved. Maybe things would be different now but I’m happy with where we seem to be headed. So maybe it was just a painful but good lesson.

 

I love Trev and he was very clear changes were needed and Fred came back to him with a plan and then implemented it, he should get some credit for that.

‘Edit note. I’m not telling you your opinion is wrong just explaining why I and others have not been calling for his job over the last few years. Everyone has their own expectations 

Edited January 5 by Art Vandalay

[TourneyBound]

Gotta wonder if this team is where it is right now if the injuries to Gary and Bandomel don't happen last year.  I think those injuries helped get players like Lawrence, Hoiberg and Kesei confidence over the last half of last season.  That is playing a big part in what we have now.  Without those injuries are we where we are now??  maybe but its interesting to think about.

[Cazzie22]

Many on this board may change opinions quickly if this season doesn’t progress as well as the optimists on here want.  We all desire a high conference finish and that elusive NCAA bid and the ever elusive NCAA victory.  I like the team but am not convinced, yet, that we can clear all the upcoming hurdles.

[Norm Peterson]

Record in 3 years with Matt Abdelmassih in charge of recruiting and player management: 24-67 (26.4%)

 

Record in 1 1/2 years without Matt Abdelmassih in charge of anything: 28-18 (60.9%)

 

I wonder if there's any connection there.

[Norm Peterson]

Our record over the last 365 days: 20-11

 

That's ALL of this year's non-conference AND 17 conference games from the end of last season INCLUDING the loss to Minnesota in the conference tournament.

 

We have 17 games left in the regular season this year.

 

Are we any worse than we were a year ago?

Is the Big Ten conference tougher than it was a year ago?

Does our schedule moving forward lay out tougher than it did a year ago?

Is there any strong reason to believe we'll post a worse record over the last 17 games than we did a year ago?

 

Keep in mind Denim Dawson started in 8 of those last 17 games a year ago, of which we lost 6.

 

Do you need to go back and change any of your answers to the foregoing questions knowing that?

[Handy Johnson]

1 hour ago, Norm Peterson said:

Our record over the last 365 days: 20-11

 

That's ALL of this year's non-conference AND 17 conference games from the end of last season INCLUDING the loss to Minnesota in the conference tournament.

 

We have 17 games left in the regular season this year.

 

Are we any worse than we were a year ago?

Is the Big Ten conference tougher than it was a year ago?

Does our schedule moving forward lay out tougher than it did a year ago?

Is there any strong reason to believe we'll post a worse record over the last 17 games than we did a year ago?

 

Keep in mind Denim Dawson started in 8 of those last 17 games a year ago, of which we lost 6.

 

Do you need to go back and change any of your answers to the foregoing questions knowing that?

I have every reason to believe our BEST Basketball is ahead of us. If you can get a tough but certainly Winnable Road game tomorrow then you’re really “feeling your oats” with the number 1 Team in the Nation coming to town. 

[MichHusker]

I just want to get the the point where Hoiberg isn't coaching for his job on a year by year basis. Not sure if anything short of an NCAA berth or tournament would do that

Edited January 6 by MichHusker

[hskr4life]

We’re at a point in the season though where it shouldn’t be thought of as some huge feat to at minimum make the post season… but should probably dance.  We’re 12-2, 2-1 have beaten probably a team that finishes in the Top 4 of our league and have a Big 12 road win against a team that probably finishes mid pack.

 

So if this season doesn’t progress they way that we hope from here out, that’s not good.  We’ve got a team that, in the conference this year, can finish Top 4-6.

[Norm Peterson]

53 minutes ago, Handy Johnson said:

I have every reason to believe our BEST Basketball is ahead of us. If you can get a tough but certainly Winnable Road game tomorrow then you’re really “feeling your oats” with the number 1 Team in the Nation coming to town. 

 

Last year, the old version of us took that basically same "number 1 Team in the Nation" to OT after we picked off a pass in regulation that would have given us possession with an opportunity to make the last shot and win in regulation ... except we got called for a tacky-tack foul instead and gave Purdue possession of the ball again.

 

I firmly believe our team *then* was not as good as our team *now.* Is Purdue any better?