Chris Heady (OWH) Nebrasketball Story Coming This Weekend

[hhcmatt]

11 minutes ago, OmahaHusker said:

 

Can we get some cliff notes?

 

If you don't pay for local journalism then the University will do whatever it wants to unchecked. 

[bb33ch]

12 minutes ago, OmahaHusker said:

 

Can we get some cliff notes?

Basically Miles had a former Navy SEAL consult with the team for a few weeks, then Moos decided to take him away around November of last year. Heady also mentioned Jack Stark and how Stark said we might be the only university that makes the AD decide if a coach can bring in outside help or not. He also mentioned how the players loved the SEAL and thought he was really helpful. Overall, just a really interesting article.

[The Polish Rifle]

10 minutes ago, uneblinstu said:

I think it's the coaches job to do what he needs to do. If that means there's a gap in his skills or abilities and to go find someone else that can help with that, then so be it. That's actually good leadership to be able to recognize weaknesses and deficiencies and take steps to strengthen them.

Like I said in another thread, I hope there is a good reason for this. I pointed to Riggins presence on social media and his history of calling out coaches and administrators on twitter as the possible culprit. I haven't read the article, as I have to wait for the hard copy to come out - but curious to what our Athletic Department cited for the reason. They have to know it's a bad look if they don't have a good reason, for the reasons you mentioned. 

[ladyhusker]

Aaaaaaand there it is. Insane policy for absolutely no reason, especially when exceptions are allowed for football to do the exact same thing.

 

I actually started to type up a cliff's notes version, but decided against it because it cheapens the work that went into putting this together -- and Heady did his homework for sure. Even if you only get the sports digital access version, it's like 99 cents for the first month, and very much worth it.

[colhusker]

4 minutes ago, hhcmatt said:

 

If you don't pay for local journalism then the University will do whatever it wants to unchecked. 

Matt I get the local paper, lands in my driveway.  I am however, not located in either Lincoln or Omaha so not going to pay for a second paper.

[HuskerFever]

16 minutes ago, TimSmiles said:

stop renewing season tickets if you want a good coach.

 

If people stop renewing season tickets, then the program will turn into present day Penn State.

[hskr4life]

20 minutes ago, TimSmiles said:

isn't it the coaches job to motivate the team? not a navy seal?

 

No.  It’s the coaches job to find a way to win.  Even if that means a Navy Seal motivating the team.  Ask John Cook how that worked out... National Championship run...

[jason2486]

6 minutes ago, huskerbaseball13 said:

Is this Navy Seal guy also an expert in X's and O's...more specifically, on the offensive side of the ball? How about his ability to develop his recruits shooting ability?

 

 

As much as some harp on x's and o's, our bigger issue is putting the ball in the whole when we have a chance (a lot of their issue I believe is between the ears). How many shots within 5-10 feet do we miss, how many times do we hesitate when we're open? Someone like him might've put our guys in the right frame of mind, especially around the time the tread started coming off the tires.

[The Polish Rifle]

3 minutes ago, ladyhusker said:

Aaaaaaand there it is. Insane policy for absolutely no reason, especially when exceptions are allowed for football to do the exact same thing.

 

I actually started to type up a cliff's notes version, but decided against it because it cheapens the work that went into putting this together -- and Heady did his homework for sure. Even if you only get the sports digital access version, it's like 99 cents for the first month, and very much worth it.

I know you and I have discussed this probably more than anyone on this board. Did they get a quote from Moos or the department on why they still have the policy in place? I get the Sunday paper, but don't really want to wait to discuss!

[AuroranHusker]

1 minute ago, jason2486 said:

As much as some harp on x's and o's, our bigger issue is putting the ball in the whole when we have a chance (a lot of their issue I believe is between the ears). How many shots within 5-10 feet do we miss, how many times do we hesitate when we're open? Someone like him might've put our guys in the right frame of mind, especially around the time the tread started coming off the tires.

 

Yep, pretty much. Basketball can be a rather simple game when your team is getting buckets.

 

 

[ladyhusker]

2 minutes ago, The Polish Rifle said:

I know you and I have discussed this probably more than anyone on this board. Did they get a quote from Moos or the department on why they still have the policy in place? I get the Sunday paper, but don't really want to wait to discuss!

They did. Basically: Moos wants coaches to use internal resources because he doesn't want "just anyone" around the department. However, he grants exceptions, including to Football last year to work with an ex-Marine. In this case, he initially approved it, but says it was only on a five-week basis (where Riggins and Miles were both under the impression it was for the whole year) and despite the players themselves attesting to the benefits they were seeing from it, he still insisted they shut it down.

[hskr4life]

Also, it really irks me that there are some so blind with hatred of Tim Miles that they’ll dog him for his deficiencies (bad motivation) and then dog him for trying to better them (hiring a Navy Seal) to help.

 

Correct me if I am wrong but isn’t part of anything in life trying to find ways to correct your deficiencies to make things better?

[huskerbaseball13]

8 minutes ago, jason2486 said:

As much as some harp on x's and o's, our bigger issue is putting the ball in the whole when we have a chance (a lot of their issue I believe is between the ears). How many shots within 5-10 feet do we miss, how many times do we hesitate when we're open? Someone like him might've put our guys in the right frame of mind, especially around the time the tread started coming off the tires.

 

Perhaps, but is this Navy Seal's work enough to turn Miles into a good coach? Probably not.

 

History under Miles suggest it certainly wasn't just THIS team that has trouble shooting the ball.  Nor do I think our terrible spacing, and lack of fundamentals is all mental.  I didn't read the article, so I shouldn't say this guy wouldn't have helped.  If he was any help at all then Moos should have kept him on. But, I'm very certain he wasn't the difference between Miles being the guy and not being the guy.

 

At the end of the day, we will have our answer fairly soon as to if the athletic department cares about having a winning program.  Keeping Miles or low balling a coach will speak volumes on if we are just okay with continuing to tread water. 

[Chuck Taylor]

2 minutes ago, hskr4life said:

Also, it really irks me that there are some so blind with hatred of Tim Miles that they’ll dog him for his deficiencies (bad motivation) and then dog him for trying to better them (hiring a Navy Seal) to help.

 

Correct me if I am wrong but isn’t part of anything in life trying to find ways to correct your deficiencies to make things better?

On the other hand, some people will go to any lengths to not blame Tim for the product on the floor. 

[The Polish Rifle]

5 minutes ago, ladyhusker said:

They did. Basically: Moos wants coaches to use internal resources because he doesn't want "just anyone" around the department. However, he grants exceptions, including to Football last year to work with an ex-Marine. In this case, he initially approved it, but says it was only on a five-week basis (where Riggins and Miles were both under the impression it was for the whole year) and despite the players themselves attesting to the benefits they were seeing from it, he still insisted they shut it down.

Well you we're right on this one. Poor communication. Thought they would have a better reason for nixing that relationship. 

[huskerbaseball13]

6 minutes ago, hskr4life said:

Also, it really irks me that there are some so blind with hatred of Tim Miles that they’ll dog him for his deficiencies (bad motivation) and then dog him for trying to better them (hiring a Navy Seal) to help.

 

Correct me if I am wrong but isn’t part of anything in life trying to find ways to correct your deficiencies to make things better?

 

Who is doing that in this thread?

 

If it were to put it all back on Miles one should probably ask why it took him 7 years at Nebraska to realize he is a bad motivator?  BTW, I don't think he is a bad motivator or that's the main issue. 

[hskr4life]

Just now, huskerbaseball13 said:

 

Who is doing that in this thread?

 

If it were to put it all back on Miles one should probably ask why it took him 7 years at Nebraska to realize he is a bad motivator?  BTW, I don't think he is a bad motivator or that's the main issue. 

 

No one in this thread that I’ve seen.  I wasn’t even referring to this thread and didn’t even say anyone on this board.  Social media is another thing though...

[FredsSlacks]

im going to give moos the benefit of the doubt for now, but i don't see myself going to many games next year if the next hire is underwhelming.

[HoiBall]

8 minutes ago, hskr4life said:

Also, it really irks me that there are some so blind with hatred of Tim Miles that they’ll dog him for his deficiencies (bad motivation) and then dog him for trying to better them (hiring a Navy Seal) to help.

 

Correct me if I am wrong but isn’t part of anything in life trying to find ways to correct your deficiencies to make things better?

 

I don't disagree.

 

However, I don't think its wise to group Tim and John Cook in the same paragraph when talking about Riggins outside help. Call me crazy, but I would be very surprised if the volleyball team would go in the absolute tank if Riggins got pulled from them midseason.

 

There's a pretty obvious difference between Cook and Miles. One has done it before. The other hasn't gotten close.

[FredsSlacks]

38 minutes ago, huskerbaseball13 said:

Is this Navy Seal guy also an expert in X's and O's...more specifically, on the offensive side of the ball? How about his ability to develop his recruits shooting ability?

 

 

i don't think our offense would be any worse if we hired the seal as our next head coach.

[The Polish Rifle]

This isn't a reason to keep Miles, by any means. But like @hhcmatt has preached many times, moving forward we need to make sure the basketball coach has whatever he needs to win. I'm not looking at it as a excuse for Coach Miles (It definitley didn't help his cause, but I think his bed is made), but it does raise questions about our commitment for basketball - and if (when) we hire a new coach, he better have any resource he needs, at his disposal. 

[uneblinstu]

8 minutes ago, huskerbaseball13 said:

 

Perhaps, but is this Navy Seal's work enough to turn Miles into a good coach? Probably not.

 

History under Miles suggest it certainly wasn't just THIS team that has trouble shooting the ball.  Nor do I think our terrible spacing, and lack of fundamentals is all mental.  I didn't read the article, so I shouldn't say this guy wouldn't have helped.  If he was any help at all then Moos should have kept him on. But, I'm very certain he wasn't the difference between Miles being the guy and not being the guy.

 

At the end of the day, we will have our answer fairly soon as to if the athletic department cares about having a winning program.  Keeping Miles or low balling a coach will speak volumes on if we are just okay with continuing to tread water. 

I mean, they were off to one of the best starts in school history. Obliterating teams. Doing exactly what you'd expect a team like we thought we had to do. According to everyone on the team, the question isn't "would he have helped", he was helping!

 

I'm guessing there's more to the story of the season than just Jack Riggins, because the team we see now doesn't resemble the team we saw in November and December. Having a guy like Riggins available to help stem whatever mental tides were shifting might have drastically altered the course of the season. I don't really care about whether Miles is or isn't the guy in this discussion. I feel like we were robbed of what could have been something pretty special. It sounds like there may have been some miscommunication as to what internal resources were available, or maybe just some stubbornness, but either way, something went array around the holidays and the plan that was working wasn't allowed to be continues. And that frustrates me to no end.

[hskr4life]

3 minutes ago, HoiBall said:

 

I don't disagree.

 

However, I don't think its wise to group Tim and John Cook in the same paragraph when talking about Riggins outside help. Call me crazy, but I would be very surprised if the volleyball team would go in the absolute tank if Riggins got pulled from them midseason.

 

There's a pretty obvious difference between Cook and Miles. One has done it before. The other hasn't gotten close.

 

I don’t disagree with that.  The problem is that we will never truly know because one got the opportunity to do it and one did not.

[uneblinstu]

3 minutes ago, HoiBall said:

 

I don't disagree.

 

However, I don't think its wise to group Tim and John Cook in the same paragraph when talking about Riggins outside help. Call me crazy, but I would be very surprised if the volleyball team would go in the absolute tank if Riggins got pulled from them midseason.

 

There's a pretty obvious difference between Cook and Miles. One has done it before. The other hasn't gotten close.

This feels like a double standard to me. No one's claiming Miles is as good a coach as Cook. But if Cook advocates for the guy and found him beneficial in, ya know, winning a championship and the same guy is involved and the basketball gets off to one of the best starts in school history, why isn't that allowed to continue. Moos referenced to now allowing "just anybody" around the program. I don't disagree, but I'd argue that Riggins isn't that. Heck, Jack Stark got that treatment as well, and that makes even less sense.

[FredsSlacks]

how much does a navy seal charge to give a couple motivational speeches every week? i feel like miles could have covered it with his 2.5 mil if it was that important to the success of the team. it's a lame excuse that one of the coaches probably fed to the OWH.