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KZRider

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Let me begin this by saying I in no way blame the refs for who won or lost this game. Creighton completely outplayed us and earned the win. That said, the refs in this game were horrible and their performance DID effect the outcome of this game. A number of issues could be cited but I will mention these:

* McDermott should have been T'd up for the way he behaved in the first half. Instead of being penalized, though, he seemed to be rewarded by the refs changing how they began to officiate the game.

* The call right at the end of the half should have been an offensive foul since the CU player clearly stepped into the Husker player and initiated the contact. Instead it goes against the defender and led to KT's technical foul and four made free throws. What could have been an energizing moment for us at the end of the half instead turns into a deflating moment.

* Creighton players seemed to me to be constantly setting moving screens without consequence. IN PART it impacted our defenders' inability to defend 3 point shots. And we all know how CU rained down 3s.

* When KT ran down a loose ball after a good defensive effort, he clearly could have got stopped and the Huskers could have begun an offensive possession. INSTEAD, the CU player ran into him and knocked him out of bounds. Rather than that being a foul, KT was ruled out of bounds, CU got possession and scored.

 

Again, I am NOT saying this changed who won or lost. But officiating DOES impact how the game develops. IMO, this was horrible work by the officials and it all seemed to flow one direction. Am I wrong? Can anyone point out similar stuff that worked in our favor? More importantly, who holds officials responsible for the work they do? If I had my way, this crew, but especially the official working nearest to the CU bench, should have to pay a price for poor performance during this game. What are your thoughts?

cozrulz

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3 minutes ago, KZRider said:

* When KT ran down a loose ball after a good defensive effort, he clearly could have got stopped and the Huskers could have begun an offensive possession. INSTEAD, the CU player ran into him and knocked him out of bounds. Rather than that being a foul, KT was ruled out of bounds, CU got possession and scored.

 

That happened a couple times on rebounds where a CU player ran into the back of the rebounder.  No foul but it stopped any chance of a break.  Nebraska was also in the bonus at the time.  Good defense if you can get away with it.  Players generally aren't running into each other accidentally.

 

aphilso1

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Final 10-15 minutes of the game I noticed Allick mimicking the things Creighton was doing.  Running into defenders on offense, shoves in the back away from the ball on rebounds, that sort of thing.  He didn't get called for that stuff either, so I guess that is just how the crew wanted to call the game.  

 

In a way I am glad that this was the game where officiating sucked the most, because it had zero impact on the outcome.  Bad officiating swung the game by around 10 points, which is a drop in the bucket when you lose by 29.

brfrad

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The thing is they had 6 fouls in the first 10 minutes.   Jake is celebrating saying we have them in the bonus.  I laughed thinking they are not calling them for another foul.  The next 20 minutes they had 2 fouls called on them, IIRC.

 

To be fair on Greg not getting a technical,  they did not give one to Fred when he was rightfully mad.  I think Fred even kicked the scorer's table.

AuroranHusker

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I echo the comments from KT Rider. It did in fact change how the game was played in that 1st half. How the refs changed their calls to favor CU was a certain factor, including that late 1st half sequence, which was total garbage. If a flop is called and NU is awarded FTs and the ball, then it's a 10-point game at the half. Totally affected the score and the 'way' the game was called. It's disturbing that McDumass is allowed to control it as a visitor, appalling really. But I'm over it, move on to Minny on Weds. GBR

 

Vinny

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17 minutes ago, hal9000 said:

I had to laugh though when after Fred got through jawing at the ref he actually stuck his hand out for a hand shake.  And the ref was like, "Whoa, nope!"

I think Fred stuck his hand out and said “I’m sorry for that, I’ll try to be better if you will too.”
 

That’s when the ref said “Nope.”

Ron Mexico

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9 minutes ago, Huskerpapa said:

Yeah, I actually thought Fred earned the technical.  I didn't see what Keisei did.

KT threw the ball against the base of the hoop. 

That sequence was devastating and Sasquatch knew it. I saw him smiling. 

brfrad

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I just read where the refs went to the monitor at half, and claimed that was a great call at the end of the half.  WTF.  They said Brice was not in legal defending position.  The offensive guy goes into him!  He cannot do that.

Chuck Taylor

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5 hours ago, brfrad said:

I just read where the refs went to the monitor at half, and claimed that was a great call at the end of the half.  WTF.  They said Brice was not in legal defending position.  The offensive guy goes into him!  He cannot do that.

Didn't Fred say that too?

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The thing that bothers me about officiating in the Big Ten is that it is ALWAYS bad because it is ALWAYS so inconsistent. A play will go one way one game and then the other way the next. Even different in different halves of the same basketball game. For instance, offensive big man lowers his shoulder into chest of defensive player to create space and defensive player goes down. Pick one: It's EITHER a charge or a flop/no-call. But that very play might be called one way in one half and differently in the next half of the same game. Or moving screens. Ignored completely one half and then called scrupulously tight the next.

 

And beyond the inconsistency is the lack of transparency/accountability. Coaches and players can't criticize the refs. Which is OK generally. But sometimes refs DESERVE to be called out. Who's gonna call them out in a publicly meaningful way if the coaches cannot?  The Big Ten Network? LOL

SkersHoops

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I don't think Fred got a T after the 3 shooting foul (and soccer kick) before half because the ref knew it was a sketchy call in the moment.  I've done that officiating/umpiring, thinking to myself, "Yeah, that might have been a bad call", and I let the coach have their word without much resistance from me.  I know our "other friend" got KT with the T on the other side of the floor, which he earned.

KZRider

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4 hours ago, Norm Peterson said:

...beyond the inconsistency is the lack of transparency/accountability. Coaches and players can't criticize the refs. Which is OK generally. But sometimes refs DESERVE to be called out. Who's gonna call them out in a publicly meaningful way if the coaches cannot?  The Big Ten Network? LOL

This! Bad and self absorbed refs stay bad and self absorbed. Bad performance at one game is followed by bad performance game after game. If I did my job as horribly as these guys did, I would not have it very long. Is there such a shortage of refs that they have to hire poor performers? Is there such a lack of training that they aren't schooled in how things should be done? Is there such a lack of oversight they get away with with ineptitude? We ALWAYS review employee performance. Does that happen after a game? Who does it? If it is NOT being done either by the conference or the NCAA, how can they possibly hope for anything like excellence?

AuroranHusker

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6 minutes ago, KZRider said:

This! Bad and self absorbed refs stay bad and self absorbed. Bad performance at one game is followed by bad performance game after game. If I did my job as horribly as these guys did, I would not have it very long. Is there such a shortage of refs that they have to hire poor performers? Is there such a lack of training that they aren't schooled in how things should be done? Is there such a lack of oversight they get away with with ineptitude? We ALWAYS review employee performance. Does that happen after a game? Who does it? If it is NOT being done either by the conference or the NCAA, how can they possibly hope for anything like excellence?

 

To answer succinctly, yes, there is a severe lacking of good referees as a lot of the better long-time refs have stepped away from the arena.

 

 

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