Andrew White Transfering

[Norm Peterson]

 

Andrew White leaving hurts short term, but should be good for us long term. That's about 30 min a game that will be filled by McVeigh (So), Roby (Fr), and Horne (Fr). This is also a team that will only have one senior and 7/10 players that will make up our rotation will be Fr. and So.

As the title of another thread states, THE SKY IS NOT FALLING.

But at what point do we stop making the developing players/long term argument? I feel like we've been playing for "next year" far too many times over the years.

 

I didn't see khoock making any "argument" that we can't be good this coming year.  What I read was an explanation of how this might benefit us long term.  That's nowhere near the same thing as throwng this year out the window and hoping things are better "next year."

[lanigan123]

Andrew is a very well-mannered kid, but quiet. He doesn't show you when he's too high or when he's too low. He could keep things bottled up inside of him and you'd have no idea it was going on.

Sometimes, it's difficult reaching these types of players. Coaches struggle trying to find the "right" way to coach them, trying to squeeze out every ounce of potential they have. Every player responds to coaching differently. Walter Pitchford took things extremely personally, and any inkling of negative feedback would cause him to check out completely. Someone like Benny Parker on the other hand, could be screamed at until Miles' head falls off and it would only cause him to play better and harder.

It takes time to find that adjustment in each player, and I think when Miles think he found it, Andrew didn't like the way he was personally being coached. But Andrew wouldn't tell Miles that, because he's quiet and just kind of a go-with-the-flow kid.

With that being said, that falls on Andrew. You have to man-up and learn how to confront someone (i.e. texting Eichorst). You can't keep running away from problems in life, which brings me to my next point.

I personally do not think Andrew will ever play a minute in the NBA, and this decision only strengthens my belief. The way I see it, Andrew doesn't want to be "the guy". He is very one dimensional in his 3 point ability, and teams can find a way to guard that. Without Shavon this year, teams are going to be putting their best defender on him, and I don't think he was ready for that. Especially after NBA teams telling him that he needed to work on ball handling and playmaking decisions.... Have you seen the guy dribble with his left hand? He said what he wanted scouts to hear which is "I'm going to go back to college and tell my coach that I need to show these things in our offense next year", but I don't know if he personally believes he can do it. I think he foresaw be a season of low numbers with every team's best defender guarding him night-in and night-out, and not being able to showcase the things they want him to. Man-up and take the challenge head on, don't run away from a challenge for your own selfish reasons.

My prediction: I believe he avoids the scout's advice all together and goes to a team with a couple studs, and falls into a 3 point specialist role getting about 20-24 minutes a game. That way he has an excuse that their were other players on the floor that were playmakers and deserved the ball in their hand. I think it'll be a team with a coach who has a history of getting players to the League, and I don't think he'll be one of them.

All in all: Nice quiet kid, very poor decision.

This explains enough of the on court stuff that has Tai frustrated. He's hard on the guys.

[HB]

 

Andrew is a very well-mannered kid, but quiet. He doesn't show you when he's too high or when he's too low. He could keep things bottled up inside of him and you'd have no idea it was going on.

Sometimes, it's difficult reaching these types of players. Coaches struggle trying to find the "right" way to coach them, trying to squeeze out every ounce of potential they have. Every player responds to coaching differently. Walter Pitchford took things extremely personally, and any inkling of negative feedback would cause him to check out completely. Someone like Benny Parker on the other hand, could be screamed at until Miles' head falls off and it would only cause him to play better and harder.

It takes time to find that adjustment in each player, and I think when Miles think he found it, Andrew didn't like the way he was personally being coached. But Andrew wouldn't tell Miles that, because he's quiet and just kind of a go-with-the-flow kid.

With that being said, that falls on Andrew. You have to man-up and learn how to confront someone (i.e. texting Eichorst). You can't keep running away from problems in life, which brings me to my next point.

I personally do not think Andrew will ever play a minute in the NBA, and this decision only strengthens my belief. The way I see it, Andrew doesn't want to be "the guy". He is very one dimensional in his 3 point ability, and teams can find a way to guard that. Without Shavon this year, teams are going to be putting their best defender on him, and I don't think he was ready for that. Especially after NBA teams telling him that he needed to work on ball handling and playmaking decisions.... Have you seen the guy dribble with his left hand? He said what he wanted scouts to hear which is "I'm going to go back to college and tell my coach that I need to show these things in our offense next year", but I don't know if he personally believes he can do it. I think he foresaw be a season of low numbers with every team's best defender guarding him night-in and night-out, and not being able to showcase the things they want him to. Man-up and take the challenge head on, don't run away from a challenge for your own selfish reasons.

My prediction: I believe he avoids the scout's advice all together and goes to a team with a couple studs, and falls into a 3 point specialist role getting about 20-24 minutes a game. That way he has an excuse that their were other players on the floor that were playmakers and deserved the ball in their hand. I think it'll be a team with a coach who has a history of getting players to the League, and I don't think he'll be one of them.

All in all: Nice quiet kid, very poor decision.

This explains enough of the on court stuff that has Tai frustrated. He's hard on the guys.

 

 

Waaaaaaaaaaa

[GATA]

Now that I've had a day to let this sit...

I still think it's a complete D move by White and his family.

[Nighthawk]

Wold be nice if AW3 would log into his Twitter and remove the Husker photo. He's no longer a Husker.

[ShortDust]

 

Andrew is a very well-mannered kid, but quiet. He doesn't show you when he's too high or when he's too low. He could keep things bottled up inside of him and you'd have no idea it was going on.

Sometimes, it's difficult reaching these types of players. Coaches struggle trying to find the "right" way to coach them, trying to squeeze out every ounce of potential they have. Every player responds to coaching differently. Walter Pitchford took things extremely personally, and any inkling of negative feedback would cause him to check out completely. Someone like Benny Parker on the other hand, could be screamed at until Miles' head falls off and it would only cause him to play better and harder.

It takes time to find that adjustment in each player, and I think when Miles think he found it, Andrew didn't like the way he was personally being coached. But Andrew wouldn't tell Miles that, because he's quiet and just kind of a go-with-the-flow kid.

With that being said, that falls on Andrew. You have to man-up and learn how to confront someone (i.e. texting Eichorst). You can't keep running away from problems in life, which brings me to my next point.

I personally do not think Andrew will ever play a minute in the NBA, and this decision only strengthens my belief. The way I see it, Andrew doesn't want to be "the guy". He is very one dimensional in his 3 point ability, and teams can find a way to guard that. Without Shavon this year, teams are going to be putting their best defender on him, and I don't think he was ready for that. Especially after NBA teams telling him that he needed to work on ball handling and playmaking decisions.... Have you seen the guy dribble with his left hand? He said what he wanted scouts to hear which is "I'm going to go back to college and tell my coach that I need to show these things in our offense next year", but I don't know if he personally believes he can do it. I think he foresaw be a season of low numbers with every team's best defender guarding him night-in and night-out, and not being able to showcase the things they want him to. Man-up and take the challenge head on, don't run away from a challenge for your own selfish reasons.

My prediction: I believe he avoids the scout's advice all together and goes to a team with a couple studs, and falls into a 3 point specialist role getting about 20-24 minutes a game. That way he has an excuse that their were other players on the floor that were playmakers and deserved the ball in their hand. I think it'll be a team with a coach who has a history of getting players to the League, and I don't think he'll be one of them.

All in all: Nice quiet kid, very poor decision.

This explains enough of the on court stuff that has Tai frustrated. He's hard on the guys.

 

If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. Obviously he sees potential in the players he's riding and wants to make them better. I had coaches ride me to better show case my abilities. If the player doesn't like how the coach does things, why would they stick around 3 years to begin with?

[ShortDust]

 

 

Let's look on the bright side. We weren't going to be an NCAA team with White, so his leaving gives us a jumpstart on '17-18 when maybe we will be.

Totally disagree with this. In fact, I'm not willing to concede that we won't be an NCAA team even without Andrew.

Wouldn't it be amusing if we won our first NCAA game this year without him? Let's turn a negative into a positive.

 

Would love this on all fronts.

[BjoeHusker]

Tai will be back....

[Jugular]

Tim is a teddy bear compared to Nee. Pussification of America at it's best

Andrew is a very well-mannered kid, but quiet. He doesn't show you when he's too high or when he's too low. He could keep things bottled up inside of him and you'd have no idea it was going on.

Sometimes, it's difficult reaching these types of players. Coaches struggle trying to find the "right" way to coach them, trying to squeeze out every ounce of potential they have. Every player responds to coaching differently. Walter Pitchford took things extremely personally, and any inkling of negative feedback would cause him to check out completely. Someone like Benny Parker on the other hand, could be screamed at until Miles' head falls off and it would only cause him to play better and harder.

It takes time to find that adjustment in each player, and I think when Miles think he found it, Andrew didn't like the way he was personally being coached. But Andrew wouldn't tell Miles that, because he's quiet and just kind of a go-with-the-flow kid.

With that being said, that falls on Andrew. You have to man-up and learn how to confront someone (i.e. texting Eichorst). You can't keep running away from problems in life, which brings me to my next point.

I personally do not think Andrew will ever play a minute in the NBA, and this decision only strengthens my belief. The way I see it, Andrew doesn't want to be "the guy". He is very one dimensional in his 3 point ability, and teams can find a way to guard that. Without Shavon this year, teams are going to be putting their best defender on him, and I don't think he was ready for that. Especially after NBA teams telling him that he needed to work on ball handling and playmaking decisions.... Have you seen the guy dribble with his left hand? He said what he wanted scouts to hear which is "I'm going to go back to college and tell my coach that I need to show these things in our offense next year", but I don't know if he personally believes he can do it. I think he foresaw be a season of low numbers with every team's best defender guarding him night-in and night-out, and not being able to showcase the things they want him to. Man-up and take the challenge head on, don't run away from a challenge for your own selfish reasons.

My prediction: I believe he avoids the scout's advice all together and goes to a team with a couple studs, and falls into a 3 point specialist role getting about 20-24 minutes a game. That way he has an excuse that their were other players on the floor that were playmakers and deserved the ball in their hand. I think it'll be a team with a coach who has a history of getting players to the League, and I don't think he'll be one of them.

All in all: Nice quiet kid, very poor decision.

This explains enough of the on court stuff that has Tai frustrated. He's hard on the guys.

[Bugeaters1]

Andrew White leaving hurts short term, but should be good for us long term. That's about 30 min a game that will be filled by McVeigh (So), Roby (Fr), and Horne (Fr). This is also a team that will only have one senior and 7/10 players that will make up our rotation will be Fr. and So.

As the title of another thread states, THE SKY IS NOT FALLING.

But at what point do we stop making the developing players/long term argument? I feel like we've been playing for "next year" far too many times over the years.

Aren't we as nebraska fans a bit like the cub fans. In that next year we will win.

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[basketballjones]

Reading some stuff about how AWIII was asked about "if he's an NBA player why is his team so bad" answers a lot of my questions...

Instead of working on the holes in his game that could benefit him and his team to answer those questions, he's going to take the easy way out and change the easiest thing to answer that question, i.e., change teams.

My guess is he will be a one-dimensional shooter for a decent team, and be very disappointed in his decision by the end of the 2017 season when he's only playing 20m and the 3rd, 4th option. When he could have been the #1 guy on what could be a decent team. I guarantee he'd be getting more pub and attention as "the guy" on a mediocre major conference team than he will being the 3rd/4th option on a top major conference team (let alone another mid level major conference team).

[Buglem]

Just finished reading Barfnecht's article in the OWH this morning.  Lee isn't known as a Nebrasketball homer (at least I've never thought he pulled punches when he saw something wrong).  If you haven't read it, it basically calls out White's father as having unrealistic expectations.  

 

"Miles gets the double whammy in this deal. Not only does he lose his top returning scorer and rebounder, but he can’t give his side of this story without it becoming a hissing match. Miles has had some issues as he enters his fifth season at NU, but this one isn’t on his tab."  

 

http://www.omaha.com/huskers/barfknecht-family-pressure-not-unusual-but-andrew-white-is-leaving/article_6a64ba92-3bd4-11e6-b8bc-a324f88488e7.html

 

I believe that Lanigan probably has some good information about what's going on and I'm not trying to be defensive of Miles.  As with anyone, he can always improve at his job and needs to always be evaluating what's working and what's not.  Just thought it was interesting that LB defended Miles on this one when he clearly hasn't always supported him in the past.

[kldm64]

My opinion of AWIII has completely changed.  He seemed to be a humble person who cared about this teammates and coaches but in realty, he is very self centered and willing to turn your back on the entire program.  You have the opportunity to play on the Big Stage in the Big 10 and take NU back to the NCAA tournament but instead, you want to take the easy road and try to go to another team yet again that will showcase your limited talents.  I applaud Coach Miles for not giving in to the White's family pressure to just try and showcase his son.  AWIII could have been an All-Conference player here at NU but instead he is going to take his ego and chase a better opportunity than what he had here.  I don't see it working out for him but guess that's his call.  He has made his decision and I've made mine to only care about the kids who want to be here.  Don't care where AWIII ends up or will follow his career as we do with former Huskers.

[Norm Peterson]

 

 

Let's look on the bright side. We weren't going to be an NCAA team with White, so his leaving gives us a jumpstart on '17-18 when maybe we will be.

Totally disagree with this. In fact, I'm not willing to concede that we won't be an NCAA team even without Andrew.

Wouldn't it be amusing if we won our first NCAA game this year without him? Let's turn a negative into a positive.

 

It wouldn't just be amusing; it would be poetic.  And it's what I'm hoping will happen.

[bleujay]

when andrew doesn't get drafted next year, he will look back on this decision with deep regret

[Norm Peterson]

Just finished reading Barfnecht's article in the OWH this morning.  Lee isn't known as a Nebrasketball homer (at least I've never thought he pulled punches when he saw something wrong).  If you haven't read it, it basically calls out White's father as having unrealistic expectations.  

 

"Miles gets the double whammy in this deal. Not only does he lose his top returning scorer and rebounder, but he can’t give his side of this story without it becoming a hissing match. Miles has had some issues as he enters his fifth season at NU, but this one isn’t on his tab."  

 

http://www.omaha.com/huskers/barfknecht-family-pressure-not-unusual-but-andrew-white-is-leaving/article_6a64ba92-3bd4-11e6-b8bc-a324f88488e7.html

 

I believe that Lanigan probably has some good information about what's going on and I'm not trying to be defensive of Miles.  As with anyone, he can always improve at his job and needs to always be evaluating what's working and what's not.  Just thought it was interesting that LB defended Miles on this one when he clearly hasn't always supported him in the past.

 

Wow.  Just read the linked Barfknecht piece on AWIII.

 

His family is frickin' delusional.

 

NBA wasn't on anyone's radar when he was a back-up at Kansas not getting playing time.  There are guys  who see the floor at KU who don't reach the NBA, so if you're not getting time at KU, that should tell you something.  You could still be a very good player, but it puts your NBA potential into serious doubt if you're not seeing the floor at KU.

 

The only reason he's even in an NBA discussion is because of the season he had here.  As Lee says, "White Jr. raised questions about his son’s place in the Nebraska program, despite him starting all 34 games and taking more shots than any other Husker. The father also suggested that playing on a rebuilding program hurt his son’s pro prospects."

 

That's frickin' delusional.

 

Andrew Jr., I have something to say to you:  Playing on a rebuilding program didn't hurt your son's pro prospects; being a one-trick pony with limited athleticism is what hurt your son's pro prospects.  If he was all that, this rebuilding program would have danced last year.  And that was what the NBA people were getting at when they asked, basically, if you're so good, why didn't your team make the dance?

 

In the same ironic way you might wish a ditzy, blond waitress in LA "Good luck with your acting career," I'm going to say to Andrew III, "Good luck with your NBA career."

[Norm Peterson]

 

I'm not done.

 

Tanner, you're a great kid, so don't take this the wrong way.

 

Let's be clear here:  No one is criticizing Andrew for following his NBA dream (and "dream" is a good word for it.)  He's not being criticized for having those aspirations.

 

What he and his family are being criticized for is the way he's gone about it and the absolute lunacy of his dad in thinking that hiring a PR firm might be necessary for a son who, prior to his junior year at Nebraska, hadn't done jack squat that would draw the attention of NBA scouts.

 

THAT is what people are criticizing:  Leaving Husker nation in a huge lurch.

 

I said it the week before this announcement came out that we're there, dude.  No more year away stuff. 

 

And then this.

 

Thanks, Andy.  Twist the knife a little further and you might reach an important organ.

[hhcmatt]

Just finished reading Barfnecht's article in the OWH this morning.  Lee isn't known as a Nebrasketball homer (at least I've never thought he pulled punches when he saw something wrong).  If you haven't read it, it basically calls out White's father as having unrealistic expectations.  

 

"Miles gets the double whammy in this deal. Not only does he lose his top returning scorer and rebounder, but he can’t give his side of this story without it becoming a hissing match. Miles has had some issues as he enters his fifth season at NU, but this one isn’t on his tab."  

 

http://www.omaha.com/huskers/barfknecht-family-pressure-not-unusual-but-andrew-white-is-leaving/article_6a64ba92-3bd4-11e6-b8bc-a324f88488e7.html

 

I believe that Lanigan probably has some good information about what's going on and I'm not trying to be defensive of Miles.  As with anyone, he can always improve at his job and needs to always be evaluating what's working and what's not.  Just thought it was interesting that LB defended Miles on this one when he clearly hasn't always supported him in the past.

 

We'll see how complimentary to Miles he is if we tank this season.  It was almost an impossible spot White put Miles and Co. in as part of the reason for the late decision to return was to get Miles to promise him more opportunity handling the ball in order to get him into the draft.  Can you promise him the opportunity?  Definitely. Can you guarantee it? If you're willing to tell someone exactly what they want to hear. It seems like Andrew's dad was steering him out of Nebraska and I'm not sure what more we could have offered the guy without starting to screw over his teammates.

 

White could have torn his ACL last week and we'd basically be in the same boat this year.  If Miles needs to have this program looking a certain way this year because he's got an AD who didn't hire him, then in some regards he does need to get his shit together and figure out how to win with the team he has in October.

[hhcmatt]

This was always the interview that stuck out for me prior to AWIII and listening to it in the context that he's transferring is him listing his reasons for leaving.

 

http://www.omaha.com/huskers/blogs/tbl-andrew-white-explains-his-decision-to-return-to-nebraska/article_368ada30-2388-11e6-826e-eb509e9cf8f0.html

 

1. He thought that part of the reason he didn't get invited to the combine was that the team didn't win enough.It's "manipulated for the guys that have politics in their favor"  Wait, what? There are plenty of guys on that list who weren't on good teams (two guys from UNLV) and just maybe some of the teams were good because the guys on the team were NBA quality.

 

2. He received feedback that he needed to have the ball more in his hands to make decisions which he attributed to the system and he'd have to talk to coach about it. Basically he wanted to be combo guard like Dylan Talley/Petteway in the past without being able to prove that he could handle the ball in such a way and/or get his own shot.  I mean, if he was a 40% 3pt shooter who could go to the hole we would have had him doing so all year.  I get that if he was a person capable of driving and shooting that he might get drafted but we're supposed to do so at the expense of us losing games, which also hurts him?

 

At the end of the day we're talking about a guy who thinks he's going to be a NBA role player by finding a way to be a college role player. When exactly is he going to realize that college role players don't get drafted unless it's because it's perceived that they have top level athletic ability that has yet to manifest?

[Norm Peterson]

Well, I still believe we have the pieces.

 

And here's more:  I had been wondering how we were going to be able to get Isaiah some quality PT given how Andrew White is going to be needing his touches. 

 

This announcement has totally eliminated that worry.

 

Let's say Isaiah Roby is as good as freshman year Shavon, which shouldn't be asking too much.  We still have a hell of a backcourt and maybe the best frontcourt we've had in the Miles era. 

 

I am NOT writing this year off.  I share Miles' excitement for this team and the upcoming season.

[uneblinstu]

 

Someone fill me in. How does White leaving affect Tai deciding to leave?? I don't see the correlation

Someone stated in a different thread that if AW3 turned pro (at the time it was NBA or Nebraska for AW3) Tai would also be leaving (not sure if it's a transfer or overseas ball).

 

The speculation is that he could get a pretty good contract in New Zealand or Australia if he wanted it. He won't be transferring, he hasn't graduated so he'd have to sit out a year and going down a level just wouldn't make a lick of sense.

[Buglem]

This was always the interview that stuck out for me prior to AWIII and listening to it in the context that he's transferring is him listing his reasons for leaving.

 

http://www.omaha.com/huskers/blogs/tbl-andrew-white-explains-his-decision-to-return-to-nebraska/article_368ada30-2388-11e6-826e-eb509e9cf8f0.html

 

1. He thought that part of the reason he didn't get invited to the combine was that the team didn't win enough.It's "manipulated for the guys that have politics in their favor"  Wait, what? There are plenty of guys on that list who weren't on good teams (two guys from UNLV) and just maybe some of the teams were good because the guys on the team were NBA quality.

 

2. He received feedback that he needed to have the ball more in his hands to make decisions which he attributed to the system and he'd have to talk to coach about it. Basically he wanted to be combo guard like Dylan Talley/Petteway in the past without being able to prove that he could handle the ball in such a way and/or get his own shot.  I mean, if he was a 40% 3pt shooter who could go to the hole we would have had him doing so all year.  I get that if he was a person capable of driving and shooting that he might get drafted but we're supposed to do so at the expense of us losing games, which also hurts him?

 

At the end of the day we're talking about a guy who thinks he's going to be a NBA role player by finding a way to be a college role player. When exactly is he going to realize that college role players don't get drafted unless it's because it's perceived that they have top level athletic ability that has yet to manifest?

 

Thanks for linking the article.  After listening to it, all I have to say is "wow".  When his basketball career is over, he has a career as a politician.  He cleverly worded all his responses so it sounded like he was on board without actually committing to or saying anything that would be a lie when he left.  He very clearly was gone at that point, he just didn't tell anyone.

 

The comment about the politics being how people get invited to the combine was interesting.  Not that there aren't some politics involved (welcome to the real world kid) but maybe the reason the most successful teams had 3-4 kids invited had more to do with them having the best players than it did with "politics".  Hmmm, you have a successful team with good players and they get invited to the combine, that just drips of politics and tomfoolery...

 

I'm with Norm and others, this isn't good but hasn't really dampened my enthusiasm for next season.  It can't get here soon enough so we can start talking about games and basketball!!!

[HuskerCager]

Interesting out-of-state perspective...

 

http://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf/2016/06/andrew_white_iii_transfer_from.html

[bigred4]

 

 

I'm not done.

 

Tanner, you're a great kid, so don't take this the wrong way.

 

Let's be clear here:  No one is criticizing Andrew for following his NBA dream (and "dream" is a good word for it.)  He's not being criticized for having those aspirations.

 

What he and his family are being criticized for is the way he's gone about it and the absolute lunacy of his dad in thinking that hiring a PR firm might be necessary for a son who, prior to his junior year at Nebraska, hadn't done jack squat that would draw the attention of NBA scouts.

 

THAT is what people are criticizing:  Leaving Husker nation in a huge lurch.

 

I said it the week before this announcement came out that we're there, dude.  No more year away stuff. 

 

And then this.

 

Thanks, Andy.  Twist the knife a little further and you might reach an important organ.

 

 

I know Borchardt was a walk on, but I'm surprised that now former teammates would be defending him after he basically said you guys suck and you won't make the NCAA tournament.

 

Also, to have the ball in his hands more ala Petteway, don't you have to be able to dribble.  That was not his strong suit and I'm not sure he ever used his left hand dribbling.  If he works on that all summer, he may have a chance to play in the NBA with his shooting stroke.

[MichHusker]

I've read that if Miles has another bad year he very likely will get canned. Does anyone here have that same sentiment? Personally I don't unless they just play horrendous this year. For those that believe he should get the boot if the team has a bad year, how good would they have to be to change your mind?