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uneblinstu's postgame chatter: vol 14; Introduction - vs. Peru St.

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basketballjones
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So fun to see the guys back, playing in front of a crowd, and taking care of business.    I’m going to say one thing that’s gonna piss people off and I’m gonna say one thing I’m 100% right o

Huskerpapa
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Yeah...the fact that many of us were able to attend a live basketball game was the best take away of the night.  I will be honest, the crowd went through a preseason as well.  At times it even felt a

MandRHusker
MandRHusker

I saw a pretty intensive scrimmage recently and in that scrimmage Bruce hit all his shots and looked like a 5 star. Conversely Keon looked a bit lost. Young players in a new system. They’ll both be gr

Bugeaters1

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14 minutes ago, uneblinstu said:

Director of Player Development

 

BTN+ broadcasts are basically team specific broadcasts. I believe the PBP was Jessica Coody who works for NU's media department. 

So what happened to the students doing the pbp on btn+? Are they on fall break?

 

hhcmatt

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If it had been an official game last night, the 71.55% eFG% would have been the best of the Fred Hoiberg era.

Nebraska's 50% from 3 (11-22) would have been tied for 3rd best.

75unlgrad

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I don't know why Andre is so far down the list.  I thought he was really coming on last season and hoped for an even bigger jump in improvement this fall.  It bothered my that he was left out of the team picture.  That isn't right.  The picture should have been rescheduled.  Are they sending a message to Andre that we don't want him?  I don't get it.

 

To me, the most explosive offensive starting five would be:

  1.  Verge

  2.  B. McGowens

  3.  Edwards

  4.  Breidenbach/Mayen

  5.  Andre

(Four of these potential starters are freshmen in eligibility -- the future looks good.)

 

75unlgrad

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Maybe Robin could provide more information concerning Andre's lack of playing time.  Are the coaches telling him that he is the 3rd option at the post position behind Walker and Breidenbach? 

My thoughts coming into the season were that Walker and Andre would share the duties in the post and Mayen and Breidenbach would share the power forward position.  This would give us two rim protectors/rebounders on the floor at the same time.  Rebounding has been a major problem for us and we didn't rebound very well against Peru State.

 

I know that we are a 'positionless' offense but we can't keep getting killed on the boards.  We give up way toooo many second opportunities.  I think we will need two 'bigs' on the floor for major minutes in the conference games.  And when Keon Edwards is at the small forward position, we will have three legitimate rebounders in the game.

hskr4life

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1 hour ago, 75unlgrad said:

I don't know why Andre is so far down the list.  I thought he was really coming on last season and hoped for an even bigger jump in improvement this fall.  It bothered my that he was left out of the team picture.  That isn't right.  The picture should have been rescheduled.  Are they sending a message to Andre that we don't want him?  I don't get it.

 

To me, the most explosive offensive starting five would be:

  1.  Verge

  2.  B. McGowens

  3.  Edwards

  4.  Breidenbach/Mayen

  5.  Andre

(Four of these potential starters are freshmen in eligibility -- the future looks good.)

 

 

I don't think Team Pictures is something that you can just reschedule on a whim.  He was sick, so it isn't like we planned the picture without him.  I think you might be reading a too much into that.

 

When it comes to Andre and his PT, I agree with you that I thought he was really coming on, and I think he has made a big jump.  But there are only so many minutes that go around.  It'll be a dogfight for PT this year, and we're going to have some good players that don't play a ton on certain nights. 

 

Not saying that this is what is going on, but we don't know what goes on in practice.  Unlike other years, there isn't a set 8-9 that are probably going to play.  We have a legit roster that goes 12-13 deep in terms of people that could play a role.  So you're going to have to bring it every day.  There is a role for Andre on this team, but he's going to have to accept that role too.  Nothing is going to be guaranteed this year.  I absolutely do not think that Fred and Co are in any way trying to push him out the door.

 

Personally, I loved Andre's response when he got into the game last night.  From the sounds of it from those that may have been there, his enthusiasm may have been lacking a bit on the bench.  BUT when he got in he "fought" for more PT and didn't mope around.  That to me shows that he is willing to fight for his PT, but that fight is going to be an every day battle.

 

 

REDitus

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4 hours ago, uneblinstu said:

Director of Player Development

 

BTN+ broadcasts are basically team specific broadcasts. I believe the PBP was Jessica Coody who works for NU's media department. 

Correct, Coody was on the call as well.

 

I was disappointed with the video quality.  For some reason it was really choppy.   I didn't have this issue last spring when I did baseball.  I hope they fix that as the video quality was 3rd rate. 

MandRHusker

MandRHusker

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Competition is a good thing. If someone is cold, then you have someone else who can step in. Regarding Andres, I know Fred loves Walker’s leadership and Heem’s basketball IQ and ability to hit the 3, something important to make Fred’s offense sing. But Andres made a strong case for playing time. This kind of competition is a good thing!

cornfed24-7

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2 hours ago, hskr4life said:
3 hours ago, 75unlgrad said:

I don't know why Andre is so far down the list.  I thought he was really coming on last season and hoped for an even bigger jump in improvement this fall.  It bothered my that he was left out of the team picture.  That isn't right.  The picture should have been rescheduled.  Are they sending a message to Andre that we don't want him?  I don't get it.

 

To me, the most explosive offensive starting five would be:

  1.  Verge

  2.  B. McGowens

  3.  Edwards

  4.  Breidenbach/Mayen

  5.  Andre

(Four of these potential starters are freshmen in eligibility -- the future looks good.)

 

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I don't think Team Pictures is something that you can just reschedule on a whim.

But give him a make up team pic at least. It can't be THAT hard to get everyone together again.

75unlgrad

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If one of the McGowens was sick the day of the picture, would the staff take the picture anyway or would they re-schedule the picture?  My guess -- they would re-schedule the picture.  That is why it bothers me that they left Andre out.  Something isn't right.

Norm Peterson

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10 hours ago, millerhusker said:

I think Trey's new role will be what it always should have been, if he were playing on good teams. Avery Bradley type player - not really a point guard or a shooting guard, but an elite perimeter defender who just takes what comes to him on the offensive end and gets some buckets in transition. He's been one of the top two scoring options on very poor teams the last three years. Winning basketball is all about efficiency, and the best teams have efficient top scorers. Trey just doesn't have that ability. Nothing wrong with that, he can still be one of the most valuable players on the team. I loved the way he played last night. Didn't force anything offensively,  5:1 assist to turnovers, 3 steals and played relentless defense. Points will still come his way if he plays like that, especially if he shoots 38% from three again this year. 

 

If I had to guess, I think that's why Hoiberg started CJ over Verge. I think that's also why there was talk of starting Wilhelm over Walker (which, as far as I can tell, was just an unsubstantiated rumor started by ... some reporter guy on Rivals.)

 

Trey is not a high volume shooter and he's not going to be one of your most potent offensive weapons. So, who do you put out there with him to maximize the driving lanes for Bryce? Because Trey isn't going to do that.

 

Is the answer Verge? Well, Verge is another slasher whom you would not expect, based on past experience, to be a perimeter shooting specialist.

 

Walker definitely won't be the guy who spreads the floor. Lat can, but you need more than just Lat. So ... CJ? And leave Walker in there?

 

Of course, that didn't work out splendidly. Not that CJ isn't a great shooter. But you need someone with the PG qualities of Verge to get things started.

 

So, now, if Verge starts ... who do you put out there with him? And why?

Norm Peterson

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1 hour ago, 75unlgrad said:

If one of the McGowens was sick the day of the picture, would the staff take the picture anyway or would they re-schedule the picture?  My guess -- they would re-schedule the picture.  That is why it bothers me that they left Andre out.  Something isn't right.

 

Besides, how difficult is it to get a team picture? I wonder if they're ever, like, at the same place at the same time.

 

And I can just imagine the conversation: Should we wear red? How about black? Do these shorts make my butt stick out?

Dean Smith

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6 hours ago, 75unlgrad said:

I don't know why Andre is so far down the list.  I thought he was really coming on last season and hoped for an even bigger jump in improvement this fall.  It bothered my that he was left out of the team picture.  That isn't right.  The picture should have been rescheduled.  Are they sending a message to Andre that we don't want him?  I don't get it.

 

To me, the most explosive offensive starting five would be:

  1.  Verge

  2.  B. McGowens

  3.  Edwards

  4.  Breidenbach/Mayen

  5.  Andre

(Four of these potential starters are freshmen in eligibility -- the future looks good.)

 

There will be a big difference between playing Peru State and Purdue. The conference schedule will call for more minutes from our bigs. 

millerhusker

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1 hour ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

If I had to guess, I think that's why Hoiberg started CJ over Verge. I think that's also why there was talk of starting Wilhelm over Walker (which, as far as I can tell, was just an unsubstantiated rumor started by ... some reporter guy on Rivals.)

 

Trey is not a high volume shooter and he's not going to be one of your most potent offensive weapons. So, who do you put out there with him to maximize the driving lanes for Bryce? Because Trey isn't going to do that.

 

Is the answer Verge? Well, Verge is another slasher whom you would not expect, based on past experience, to be a perimeter shooting specialist.

 

Walker definitely won't be the guy who spreads the floor. Lat can, but you need more than just Lat. So ... CJ? And leave Walker in there?

 

Of course, that didn't work out splendidly. Not that CJ isn't a great shooter. But you need someone with the PG qualities of Verge to get things started.

 

So, now, if Verge starts ... who do you put out there with him? And why?

Completely agree with this. I think Hoiberg would rather not have Verge, Trey and Walker on the floor together much. Along with Bryce and Lat, who we know can both shoot the ball but neither have proven they can do it consistently at this level yet. 
 

In the game thread, before Verge entered the game, I said I thought he was our best at creating for himself AND for others. He absolutely needs to be in the game from the start to set the pace for this team. But he’d be at his best with some pure shooters around him. And those other four starters might not give him enough space to do what he does best. Wing defenders are going to collapse in on that pick n roll with Verge and Walker and our wings are going to have to knock down threes at a good clip. 
 

This is why Hoiberg keeps saying the hardest thing about his job is figuring out rotations and getting players to accept roles. I actually think Trey would be a great spark off the bench and could still play the same amount of minutes. But it’d be hard to ask a four year starter, whose freshman brother is in the starting lineup, to come off the bench. 

OurDecay

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With regards to concerns about folks at the end of our rotations not getting many minutes…it’s worth restating that we are due to lose quite a number of players at the end of this season - so a guy like Andre (whom I am a big fan of) still has plenty of time down the road to have a major role.  You lose both your starting 4 & 5 after this year, and even with a guy like Keita coming in there will be plenty of opportunities.  
 

Likewise, it might be a challenge to find minutes for all those wings this year, but the roster will look different in 2022.

 

all I know is…this is the deepest NU team I can recall in a very long time and it is a great problem to have

 

p.s. I still cannot get over the hands our bigs have.  We have had a list of stone-handed bigs here in recent history from Jordy to Yvan to Duby to others.  It’s refreshing

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1 hour ago, OurDecay said:

p.s. I still cannot get over the hands our bigs have.  We have had a list of stone-handed bigs here in recent history from Jordy to Yvan to Duby to others.  It’s refreshing

 

I was thinking the same thing. After going through a stretch of bigs with absolute stone hands, it's amazing to have three bigs on the roster who pretty much grab everything thrown their way. It's really a testament to how much more natural basketball skill our big men have right now vs. many we've had in the recent past. 

 

huskerbill85

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Pre season first game as a team so doesnt mean much. If it were OSU and not Peru St we lose. Saw some of the same movie poor perimeter defense, lack of communication at times, missed free throws. All things that can be fixed.

 

 

Wont have long stretches going scoreless with this team. 4 guys who can have a big game scoring on any night,  dont think I've seen a Husker team with this many guys who can distribute the ball, and oh baby some tremendous athletes. Clean up a few things and this team can beat anybody on any given night.

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