Roster Attrition

[49r]

25 minutes ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

 

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[thrasher31]

Easley got a scholly at SDSU. Good for him

[49r]

Really happy for Charlie.  He's earned every bit of that scholly and I will be rooting hard for the Jacks next year!

[colhusker]

Much better fit for him

[basketballjones]

At this rate, I do not see how Arop or Cross remain on the team. That's disappointing to me, because I believe a team must have a foundation of players to be successful if you cannot get the 4/5 star talent consistently. But, what the hell do I know? 

[Chuck Taylor]

1 hour ago, basketballjones said:

 That's disappointing to me, because I believe a team must have a foundation of players to be successful if you cannot get the 4/5 star talent consistently. 

Agree. I'm not all that enthused about next year's possibilities because of the extent to which the roster is being remade. Part of this year's problem was that we didn't have a foundation of players to provide stability in the program. When things went sour, there was no cohesiveness among any part of the roster and "bad" became "worse" became "abysmal." It isn't just that we had bad apples and now they're gone. A year ago we all thought they were great guys. Now we have another group that includes guys with warning flags and guys who bolted other programs because they were unhappy. Some of them aren't going to get the playing time they want. As for what Fred did at ISU in his second year, he was building off a 16-16 team that was 81 in KenPom vs. this season's 7-25 and 162 KenPom, so not sure there's much to bolster the argument that we're going to make a big leap. A big leap might be .500, and a steady step forward might be 13-14 wins.

 

I do think the talent level's higher and the redshirts will help in terms of stability, but it's still a huge rebuild from a very low base. Two years from now is another matter, very hopeful about that, but next year's team could struggle early and will need to have the positive voices drown out the negative in the locker room. But what do I know either.

Edited April 19, 2020 by Chuck Taylor

[aphilso1]

1 hour ago, basketballjones said:

At this rate, I do not see how Arop or Cross remain on the team. That's disappointing to me, because I believe a team must have a foundation of players to be successful if you cannot get the 4/5 star talent consistently. But, what the hell do I know? 

 

I'd hate to lose Arop, because I do think that he will be a very nice player for us eventually.  I also think having some local kids is good for any program, as they are often team leaders even if they're only role players.

 

Cross though wouldn't be a loss.  He looks like a guy whose ceiling is to be a rotation player for a Sun Belt school.  If he is seeing minutes for us, then that's a bad thing.  He doesn't strike me as a potential team leader either, but I could easily be wrong on that count.  

[Red Don]

Count me as being in my cups .    It's a particularly good vintage this year!

(Due to the mask shortage, I had to improvise  )

 

Plus some Pearls from Chris Heady in Big Red Today (4/19/20)  (There does not appear to be a paywall to view the article)

 

https://www.omaha.com/sports/college/huskers/teams/mens-basketball/stuck-at-home-fred-hoiberg-spends-his-time-plotting-husker-basketballs-comeback/article_e1aa5d4b-8c70-56c2-9610-df3737a3661a.html

 

Stuck at home, Fred Hoiberg spends his time plotting Husker basketball's comeback

 

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He’s given two assistants — Armon Gates and Doc Sadler — projects to find new defensive strategies. Sadler will first watch every single league game by every team in the Big Ten. Then, Hoiberg wants him and Gates to watch top defensive teams in the NCAA and the NBA to steal from. (“Just trying to get a better feel for the league,” Sadler says.)

 

Hoiberg is ..... rewatching every game and putting together a playbook of things he liked and things he didn’t. Soon, he’ll have video coordinator Matt Holt jam it all together in a reel and show it to his five 2020 commits to start introducing them to his system.

 

we did some important things as far as laying the foundation and as far as establishing a style of play,...there’s also a lot of things we did well."
Nebraska led the conference in shots at the rim, Hoiberg said. Problem was, they finished 14th out of 14 teams in scores at the rim. “But we were first in generating those shots. That’s a good thing,” Hoiberg said.

 

Hoiberg isn't all that worried, he said. His three sit-out transfers — Banton, Derrick Walker and Shamiel Stevenson — ran the offense in practice with two walk-ons and often beat the eligible starters handily.

 

 

Edited April 19, 2020 by Red Don

[REDitus]

2nd time its been mentioned but I can't read it enough.  Having 3 transfers running the offense in practice with two walk-ons and OFTEN beating game starters handily starts a drool response as my brain struggles to comprehend.   Reminds me back when Pike was a RS.    

[nustudent]

9 hours ago, basketballjones said:

At this rate, I do not see how Arop or Cross remain on the team. That's disappointing to me, because I believe a team must have a foundation of players to be successful if you cannot get the 4/5 star talent consistently. But, what the hell do I know? 

Agree on having a foundation.   But those guys weren’t it.  

[Fullbacksympathy]

Cross is a good player.  I think he’ll help us at the 4 next year.  I don’t think he should be paired with Arop at all.  Cross will fit right in based on what I’ve seen, especially if he transforms his body some more. 

[royalfan]

11 hours ago, basketballjones said:

At this rate, I do not see how Arop or Cross remain on the team. That's disappointing to me, because I believe a team must have a foundation of players to be successful if you cannot get the 4/5 star talent consistently. But, what the hell do I know? 

 

So lets say that Fred knows Arop is not likely to play here.  I don't see why it would be disappointing to have him go to a more appropriate place where he will play and also giving us another spot for a grad transfer specialist, saving the spot for midseason transfer that most places won't have a spot for, or a sit out guy with upside in case we get favorable waiver rulings.  I agree that foundation is ideal, but this isn't necessarily how Hoiberg has had success previously.  Not a huge believer in guys that won't be playing creating some sort of foundation, like Nebraska kids can help with in football to an extent.  

[tcp]

19 hours ago, Chuck Taylor said:

Agree. I'm not all that enthused about next year's possibilities because of the extent to which the roster is being remade. Part of this year's problem was that we didn't have a foundation of players to provide stability in the program. When things went sour, there was no cohesiveness among any part of the roster and "bad" became "worse" became "abysmal." It isn't just that we had bad apples and now they're gone. A year ago we all thought they were great guys. Now we have another group that includes guys with warning flags and guys who bolted other programs because they were unhappy. Some of them aren't going to get the playing time they want. As for what Fred did at ISU in his second year, he was building off a 16-16 team that was 81 in KenPom vs. this season's 7-25 and 162 KenPom, so not sure there's much to bolster the argument that we're going to make a big leap. A big leap might be .500, and a steady step forward might be 13-14 wins.

 

I do think the talent level's higher and the redshirts will help in terms of stability, but it's still a huge rebuild from a very low base. Two years from now is another matter, very hopeful about that, but next year's team could struggle early and will need to have the positive voices drown out the negative in the locker room. But what do I know either.

 

I think .500 with this bunch should get CoY for Hoiberg. And that would be a major jump in quality to get there. 

 

My inclination is to just sit and wait. It's another brand new roster again and the usual perils will be present. 

[busticket]

On the surface it almost looks like we are starting over, but even with all the departures we are WAY ahead of where we started this year.

 

- last season we had no significant contributors returning.  This year we have 2 (Thor and Yvan) and maybe Cross.

-  last season we had nobody with familiarity in the system.  This season we have 5 or 6.

 

We literally started last year at ground zero.  While most of us were hoping we would be chock full of returning experience next season we are still way ahead of last year’s starting point.  Then add in some of the transfers and we have a pretty good base to work from. 

 

My guess is there is enough here to win 15-16 games next season.  Year 3 should be really good.

[basketballjones]

10 hours ago, royalfan said:

 

So lets say that Fred knows Arop is not likely to play here.  I don't see why it would be disappointing to have him go to a more appropriate place where he will play and also giving us another spot for a grad transfer specialist, saving the spot for midseason transfer that most places won't have a spot for, or a sit out guy with upside in case we get favorable waiver rulings.  I agree that foundation is ideal, but this isn't necessarily how Hoiberg has had success previously.  Not a huge believer in guys that won't be playing creating some sort of foundation, like Nebraska kids can help with in football to an extent.  

Arop fits in like 3 of my soft spots of kids I love and have coach/worked with/helped.

-Nebraska kids

-Inner-city Omaha kids

-Sudanese kids 

 

So I kinda want him on my team.... ha

[kleitus]

2 hours ago, tcp said:

 

I think .500 with this bunch should get CoY for Hoiberg. And that would be a major jump in quality to get there. 

 

My inclination is to just sit and wait. It's another brand new roster again and the usual perils will be present. 

 

...except it's not a brand new roster.  almost half of it is coming back (5 or 6 players).  Just nobody who played in the games.  The 3 transfers plus cross, yvan, arop, thor etc. depending on if we lose one or two more.

[OmahaHusker]

1 hour ago, tcp said:

 

I think .500 with this bunch should get CoY for Hoiberg. And that would be a major jump in quality to get there. 

 

My inclination is to just sit and wait. It's another brand new roster again and the usual perils will be present. 

 

I agree with this. I expect us to be around .500 this coming year. Which would be a solid improvement from 7-24 and a big step into the 2021 season. 

 

A few thoughts/concerns with the roster. Teddy is a straight up baller. He keeps his head straight he’ll be our best player IMO. King is also a proven entity at the B1G level so hopefully he can play next year. 

 

The rest of the roster I’m in wait and see mode. Not very high on Stevenson. I think Banton is a freak in measurables but is turning into the typical off-season over-hyped guy that we do to ourselves every year. Hopefully I'm wrong but I just have a feeling. Webster shoots at a high clip but is also a volume scorer. And idk what to think on bigs. I’m told Yvan is ahead of Walker so I’m assuming he’ll start still. 

 

As the roster stands now (no Sanogo) rebounding will still be an issue, but even if we do land Adama, the main take away from this roster is where are the proven 3 point shooters? HCFH’s offense needs them, and besides Teddy and maybe Webster I just don’t see them on here (Thor too, but if Thor’s playing 25-30 mins a game next year we’re in trouble). 

 

So right now I'm cautiously optimistic for next year. GBR 

 

 

 

[Norm Peterson]

6 minutes ago, kleitus said:

 

...except it's not a brand new roster.  almost half of it is coming back (5 or 6 players).  Just nobody who played in the games.  The 3 transfers plus cross, yvan, arop, thor etc. depending on if we lose one or two more.

 

I will say this: We have guys who played and guys who sat, and Hoiberg had a chance to watch all of them in practice and get a pretty good sense of what he had to work with. A lot better sense than any of the rest of us would have. So, a person can argue about how much that sit-out experience gained players like Banton. But there's no doubt it helped Hoiberg and Co determine what pieces they needed to add to fill in around the pieces he has coming back.

 

And that's probably about as important as anything in terms of reasons for optimism this coming season.

[PimpMario]

10 hours ago, royalfan said:

 

So lets say that Fred knows Arop is not likely to play here.  I don't see why it would be disappointing to have him go to a more appropriate place where he will play and also giving us another spot for a grad transfer specialist, saving the spot for midseason transfer that most places won't have a spot for, or a sit out guy with upside in case we get favorable waiver rulings.  I agree that foundation is ideal, but this isn't necessarily how Hoiberg has had success previously.  Not a huge believer in guys that won't be playing creating some sort of foundation, like Nebraska kids can help with in football to an extent.  

I get what you are trying to say, but at this point it seems like we have 10 spots saved that will turn over.

[Art Vandalay]

31 minutes ago, kleitus said:

 

...except it's not a brand new roster.  almost half of it is coming back (5 or 6 players).  Just nobody who played in the games.  The 3 transfers plus cross, yvan, arop, thor etc. depending on if we lose one or two more.

The big difference to me is last year we had 1 guy with P5 experience (maybe1.5 but Thor did not play much). As others mentioned none of those outside of Cheatham was really highly rated coming out of high school. Those two were also our most consistent guys day to day. We also had zero guys who had run FH and Doc’s systems.
 

This year we will have 7+ guys with P5 experience and 5 guys who were highly ranked coming out of high school. We also have 6 guys with experience in this system now.

 

I know Banton is kind of unknown but don’t think he will be a bust. He was a top 50 kid who showed flashes at times but was not physically strong enough. I do not think Fred would by hyping him up so much if he was not sure he was going to be a good player for us. 

 

I am not predicting a tourney bid or anything now but there is definitely a lot of reasons to be more confident than last year for sure.

[kleitus]

40 minutes ago, PimpMario said:

I get what you are trying to say, but at this point it seems like we have 10 spots saved that will turn over.

 

And early in a turnaround that's how it probably should be.

 

If we do this next year and there isnt some outlying reason like banton going pro and some injuries then we've got issues.

[hhcmatt]

23 hours ago, basketballjones said:

At this rate, I do not see how Arop or Cross remain on the team. That's disappointing to me, because I believe a team must have a foundation of players to be successful if you cannot get the 4/5 star talent consistently. But, what the hell do I know? 

 

At this rate every roster will consist of 1 returning Icelander 

[jimmykc]

A brief bit of research on Iceland reveals the following interesting facts of the day: Iceland was a monarchy from 1918 until 1944 when it became a republic. Favorite foods include singed sheep heads, and the host of tv's Bizarre Foods rates the fermented shark fin he ate in Iceland as the most disgusting food sampled in the history of the show. And DNA samples reveal some guy named Floki sired 70% of the population (made that one up). 

[BLB115]

Cross is in the transfer portal.

 

 

 

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[Chuck Taylor]

On 4/20/2020 at 12:00 PM, jimmykc said:

A brief bit of research on Iceland reveals the following interesting facts of the day: Iceland was a monarchy from 1918 until 1944 when it became a republic. Favorite foods include singed sheep heads, and the host of tv's Bizarre Foods rates the fermented shark fin he ate in Iceland as the most disgusting food sampled in the history of the show. And DNA samples reveal some guy named Floki sired 70% of the population (made that one up). 

I believe Iceland is the world's oldest democracy, but please don't look it up and prove me wrong.