Fire Miles Talk (complete BS)

[HB]

3 hours ago, cipsucks said:

 

Rumor has it he's not so good with the rhythm method......  

 

Man, U got that right!  An abject failure.  Which is a good thing.  

[HuskerFever]

Updated:

 

Win  vs Sacramento State, 83-61 (+22pts)
Win  vs University of Mary, 70-38 (+32pts)
Win  vs Louisiana Tech, 65-54 (+11pts)
Win  ne Dayton, 80-78 (+2pts)
Loss ne UCLA, 71-82 (-11pts)
Loss ne Virginia Tech, 53-66 (-13pts)
Loss at Clemson, 58-60 (-2pts)
Win  vs South Dakota, 73-61 (+12pts)
Loss vs Creighton, 62-77 (-15pts)
Loss vs Kansas, 72-89 (-17pts)
Loss vs Gardner-Webb, 62-70 (-8pts)
Win  vs Southern, 81-76 (+5pts)
Win  at Indiana, 87-83 (+4pts)
Win  at Maryland, 67-65 (+2pts)
Win  vs Iowa, 93-90 2OT (+3pts)
Loss vs Northwestern, 66-74 (-8pts)
Loss at Michigan, 85-91 (-6pts)
Loss vs Ohio State, 66-67 (-1pts)
Loss at Rutgers, 64-65 (-1pts)
Loss at Northwestern, 61-73 (-12pts)
Win  vs Purdue 83-80, (+3pts)
Loss vs Michigan State, 61-72 (-11pts)
Loss at Iowa, 70-81 (-11pts)

Loss vs Wisconsin, 69-70 OT (-1pts)

Win  vs Penn State, 82-66 (+16pts)

 

Records:
Games between 0-4 points: 5-4 (4-3)
Games between 5-9 points: 1-3 (0-2)

Double-digit games: 5-7 (1-3)

 

Top 5 largest victories: 32 (University of Mary), 22 (Sacramento State), 16 (Penn State), 12 (South Dakota), 11 (Louisiana Tech)

Top 5 largest defeats: 17 (Kansas), 15 (Creighton), 13 (Virginia Tech), 12 (Northwestern), 11 (UCLA/Michigan State/Iowa)

 

Finally knocked off Southern as a Top 5 largest margin of victory! First double-digit victory in conference play.

[HuskerFever]

I was slightly curious about something and figured at least one other person would find this interesting:

 

Under Coach Miles, here are the number of win/loss streaks we have had:

 

W1	19		L1	21
W2	9		L2	8
W3	5		L3	5
W4	4
W5	1		L5	4
			L9	1

[HuskerFever]

Updated:

 

Win  vs Sacramento State, 83-61 (+22pts)
Win  vs University of Mary, 70-38 (+32pts)
Win  vs Louisiana Tech, 65-54 (+11pts)
Win  ne Dayton, 80-78 (+2pts)
Loss ne UCLA, 71-82 (-11pts)
Loss ne Virginia Tech, 53-66 (-13pts)
Loss at Clemson, 58-60 (-2pts)
Win  vs South Dakota, 73-61 (+12pts)
Loss vs Creighton, 62-77 (-15pts)
Loss vs Kansas, 72-89 (-17pts)
Loss vs Gardner-Webb, 62-70 (-8pts)
Win  vs Southern, 81-76 (+5pts)
Win  at Indiana, 87-83 (+4pts)
Win  at Maryland, 67-65 (+2pts)
Win  vs Iowa, 93-90 2OT (+3pts)
Loss vs Northwestern, 66-74 (-8pts)
Loss at Michigan, 85-91 (-6pts)
Loss vs Ohio State, 66-67 (-1pts)
Loss at Rutgers, 64-65 (-1pts)
Loss at Northwestern, 61-73 (-12pts)
Win  vs Purdue 83-80, (+3pts)
Loss vs Michigan State, 61-72 (-11pts)
Loss at Iowa, 70-81 (-11pts)

Loss vs Wisconsin, 69-70 OT (-1pts)

Win vs Penn State, 82-66 (+16pts)

Win at Ohio State, 58-57 (+1pts)

 

Records:
Games between 0-4 points: 6-4 (5-3)
Games between 5-9 points: 1-3 (0-2)

Double-digit games: 5-7 (1-3)

 

Top 5 largest victories: 32 (University of Mary), 22 (Sacramento State), 16 (Penn State), 12 (South Dakota), 11 (Louisiana Tech)

Top 5 largest defeats: 17 (Kansas), 15 (Creighton), 13 (Virginia Tech), 12 (Northwestern), 11 (UCLA/Michigan State/Iowa)

 

Still on the positive side of 0-4 point games.

[PimpMario]

Updated:

 

Win  vs Sacramento State, 83-61 (+22pts)
Win  vs University of Mary, 70-38 (+32pts)
Win  vs Louisiana Tech, 65-54 (+11pts)
Win  ne Dayton, 80-78 (+2pts)
Loss ne UCLA, 71-82 (-11pts)
Loss ne Virginia Tech, 53-66 (-13pts)
Loss at Clemson, 58-60 (-2pts)
Win  vs South Dakota, 73-61 (+12pts)
Loss vs Creighton, 62-77 (-15pts)
Loss vs Kansas, 72-89 (-17pts)
Loss vs Gardner-Webb, 62-70 (-8pts)
Win  vs Southern, 81-76 (+5pts)
Win  at Indiana, 87-83 (+4pts)
Win  at Maryland, 67-65 (+2pts)
Win  vs Iowa, 93-90 2OT (+3pts)
Loss vs Northwestern, 66-74 (-8pts)
Loss at Michigan, 85-91 (-6pts)
Loss vs Ohio State, 66-67 (-1pts)
Loss at Rutgers, 64-65 (-1pts)
Loss at Northwestern, 61-73 (-12pts)
Win  vs Purdue 83-80, (+3pts)
Loss vs Michigan State, 61-72 (-11pts)
Loss at Iowa, 70-81 (-11pts)

Loss vs Wisconsin, 69-70 OT (-1pts)

Win vs Penn State, 82-66 (+16pts)

Win at Ohio State, 58-57 (+1pts)

 

Records:
Games between 0-4 points: 6-4 (5-3)
Games between 5-9 points: 1-3 (0-2)

Double-digit games: 5-7 (1-3)

 

Top 5 largest victories: 32 (University of Mary), 22 (Sacramento State), 16 (Penn State), 12 (South Dakota), 11 (Louisiana Tech)

Top 5 largest defeats: 17 (Kansas), 15 (Creighton), 13 (Virginia Tech), 12 (Northwestern), 11 (UCLA/Michigan State/Iowa)

 

Still on the positive side of 0-4 point games.

 

I don't think margin of victory is a meaningful stat. We have had plenty of games where we were tied with less then 6 minutes and still lost by more than 4.

 

People always use to say "bo pelini wins close games.". But the was because when he lost he lost big.

[PimpMario]

I was slightly curious about something and figured at least one other person would find this interesting:
 
Under Coach Miles, here are the number of win/loss streaks we have had:
 

W1	19		L1	21
W2	9		L2	8
W3	5		L3	5
W4	4
W5	1		L5	4
			L9	1

What are you gleaming from that?

[49r]

Thad Matta might be looking for a job soon...

[Dead Dog Alley]

8 minutes ago, 49r said:

Thad Matta might be looking for a job soon...

And Groce and Crean.  Matta looks like a guy who is going downhill from all the stress, maybe a break from it would do him good.

[khoock]

Really hope SE can see what he has here. Easily could be 17-9 (9-5) *Clemson, G-W, Ohio St, Rutgers, Wisconsin*. 

 

Can't wait to see how they finish this year and what lies ahead for next year.

 

P.S. Miles has already won his 2nd most Big Ten games in his tenure with 4 games left

[HuskerFever]

12 hours ago, PimpMario said:

 

I don't think margin of victory is a meaningful stat. We have had plenty of games where we were tied with less then 6 minutes and still lost by more than 4.

 

People always use to say "bo pelini wins close games.". But the was because when he lost he lost big.

 

Agreed. But some stats don't have to be meaningful to be interesting. I think it's interesting that we've only played in three conference games where we lost by double digits, or that Southern is our 6th largest margin of victory, or that we were hanging close to at least 2 of our top 5 largest defeats, or that whenever we've gone to overtime we've kept the game pretty close either way, or that nearly 40% of our games have been decided by one possession. Or at least I find those things interesting.

[ConkTrifecta3]

I havent read the board in awhile, Am i missing something here?  Is there ACTUAL talk of Eichorst canning Miles....?  I really hope not.

[Bugeaters1]

5 minutes ago, ConkTrifecta3 said:

I havent read the board in awhile, Am i missing something here?  Is there ACTUAL talk of Eichorst canning Miles....?  I really hope not.

There has been since December, after every loss it rares it's ugly head.

[HB]

21 minutes ago, ConkTrifecta3 said:

I havent read the board in awhile, Am i missing something here?  Is there ACTUAL talk of Eichorst canning Miles....?  I really hope not.

Yes, and not just by message board posters and talk show callers.  Shatel did an entire column on it , which he doesn't do if there aren't some legs to the story.  People close to the program report that the coaches feel they really are coaching for their jobs right now.  So yeah, justified or not, there had been actual talk of SE making a move.  

[Blackshirt83]

10 minutes ago, HB said:

Yes, and not just by message board posters and talk show callers.  Shatel did an entire column on it , which he doesn't do if there aren't some legs to the story.  People close to the program report that the coaches feel they really are coaching for their jobs right now.  So yeah, justified or not, there had been actual talk of SE making a move.  

And I continue to be baffled by such crazy talk.

[Silverbacked1]

It is all a ploy by SE to get us to win. shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

[jimmykc]

 

ConkTrifecta or Blackshirt should start a new thread on why it would be asinine to fire Miles this year. I am somewhat embarrassed to think that this particular thread may become the longest one in the history of HHC!

[HB]

1 minute ago, jimmykc said:

 

ConkTrifecta or Blackshirt should start a new thread on why it would be asinine to fire Miles this year. I am somewhat embarrassed to think that this particular thread may become the longest one in the history of HHC!

 

Hopefully it will go the way of the the longest one, the recruit who signed with Auburn and whose name escapes me.    Certainly turned out to be much ado about nothing!  

[HuskerBB]

43 minutes ago, Blackshirt83 said:

And I continue to be baffled by such crazy talk.

 

Not crazy at all.  At least not in the sense that it could happen - although I agree it would be a crazily stupid decision.   Yesterday goes the other way at the end and we falter down the stretch and no question Miles would be gone.  SE wants that to happen - just needs to be able to justify it.

Edited February 19, 2017 by HuskerBB

[Lifetimesker]

 It's hard for me to even wrap my brain around the possibility of this happening. I don't know, maybe I'm just too simpleminded!  Hypothetically, if it were to happen (and it shouldn't) where do you think it would rank in the list of boneheaded moves by and A.D. at Nebraska?  IMO, it's right there at the top!

[Blindcheck]

I have always believed that to get Nebraska to the level where I think they could Maintain (think Wisconsin, i think nebraska could have the success of Wisconsin):

 

When you hire the Coach in a situation like Nebraska basketball or Kansas Football, you need to close your eyes for about ten years...it will be a roller coaster ride and that is why you have to close your eyes and only slightly pay attention to the wins and losses..Celebrate any successes, but don't get too hung up with the failures.

 

I am not saying you would never fire a coach after 5 years, 6 or 7...but I think you have to have a real long leash....I think you have to let a coach swing and miss a couple of times at a place like Nebraska...because this place is not an easy place to win and if each coach knows they are only going to get to really have one recruiting cycle before they are judged...how is Nebraska ever going to get to that next level?  In Basketball, it is really easy to miss on recruits...Players look great, get to campus and can't play...

 

They really have to know exactly what kind of players they need...before they ever play a BIg ten game...and at a place like Nebraska, you don't get to choose the puzzle pieces you want...you have to really search for the right piece and convince them to come to a place that is not a basketball school.

 

I think the same thing about Kansas Football...if Kansas believes that their current coach is capable of success...the AD should just close his eyes to the Win loss record to about year 7 or 8 before that becomes the measuring stick....now if a coach has other failings, such as moral character or violates university policies that is another kettle of fish.

 

 

 

[Bugeaters1]

There is to much logic to this post. A lot of people see it as a five year or less deal.

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[Huskerpapa]

Perhaps the easiest move for an AD is to fire his/her coach.  It allows the AD to say he/she is doing something to advance the program.  The difficult thing is to retain the coach and take heat from certain boosters who believe they know it all. 

 

As much as many of us like the direction we are going as a program, and believe Coach Miles is doing a wonderful job selling the Husker program; there are distracters out there who are very loud and obnoxious about their opinion on both the program and Miles as a coach. 

 

I guess we each get an opinion.  That said, I would implore those who read this to take one additional step, if you appreciate the job Coach Miles is doing, send an email to the AD office and provide your opinion. 

[Blackshirt83]

5 hours ago, Blindcheck said:

I have always believed that to get Nebraska to the level where I think they could Maintain (think Wisconsin, i think nebraska could have the success of Wisconsin):

 

When you hire the Coach in a situation like Nebraska basketball or Kansas Football, you need to close your eyes for about ten years...it will be a roller coaster ride and that is why you have to close your eyes and only slightly pay attention to the wins and losses..Celebrate any successes, but don't get too hung up with the failures.

 

I am not saying you would never fire a coach after 5 years, 6 or 7...but I think you have to have a real long leash....I think you have to let a coach swing and miss a couple of times at a place like Nebraska...because this place is not an easy place to win and if each coach knows they are only going to get to really have one recruiting cycle before they are judged...how is Nebraska ever going to get to that next level?  In Basketball, it is really easy to miss on recruits...Players look great, get to campus and can't play...

 

They really have to know exactly what kind of players they need...before they ever play a BIg ten game...and at a place like Nebraska, you don't get to choose the puzzle pieces you want...you have to really search for the right piece and convince them to come to a place that is not a basketball school.

 

I think the same thing about Kansas Football...if Kansas believes that their current coach is capable of success...the AD should just close his eyes to the Win loss record to about year 7 or 8 before that becomes the measuring stick....now if a coach has other failings, such as moral character or violates university policies that is another kettle of fish.

 

 

 

All the upvotes for this.

 

This isn't the football program where by year 5 you should be contending for conference titles.

 

Considering where we started from and who we are as a program 5 years was the minimum amount of time for this to get really good and that was if everything went almost perfectly. Which for many reasons it has not. Some controllable, some not.

 

Even with the ups and downs this team finally LOOKS like  a solid Big Ten team and PLAYS like a solid Big Ten team capable of winning even on nights when a key guy or two aren't having a great game.

 

This team has not just talent but young talent that never quits trying hard. Plus virtually every player is improving and/or evolving their game and role as the year goes on. With what appears to be more on the bench and as recruits on the way for next year.

 

Not to mention they all seem like good kids as well.

 

No clue what else you ask for in year 5 at Nebraska from a basketball coach trying to build a Big Ten program.

Edited February 20, 2017 by Blackshirt83

[jayschool]

Further, let's look at the expectations for Miles at Nebraska. He came here from Colorado State, where his five teams improved from 0-16 to 4-12 to 7-9 to 9-7 to 8-6 in conference play. The final team went to the NCAA Tournament, where CSU lost in the first round, but that's a program that has won games in the NCAAs in the past.

 

2012-2013 = Left a seriously depleted roster in his first year, Miles had pundits wondering if his first Nebraska team might repeat his first winless conference record from CSU five years earlier. The Cornhuskers were unanimous choices to finish in last place of the 12-team Big Ten. That team finished 5-13 in the conference, in 10th place, and defeated Purdue in the conference tournament. EXPECTATIONS EXCEEDED.

 

2013-2014 = Transfers Terran Petteway and Walter Pitchford were unknown quantities at the beginning of the season, when pundits included Nebraska in the league's bottom three with such in-depth analysis as "and Penn State, Northwestern and Nebraska are . . . um . . . yeah." Nebraska finished fourth in the 12-team league with an 11-7 record, losing to Ohio State in the first round of the conference tournament and to Baylor in the friggin' NCAA Tournament. EXPECTATIONS FAR EXCEEDED.

 

2014-2015 = So that young Nebraska team that made its run to the NCAA Tournament the year before was supposed to finish fifth in the conference. The Huskers started the year ranked, but something happened to team chemistry, and a season-ending nine-game losing streak finished a deeply disappointing 5-13 conference season. EXPECTATIONS NOT MET. BIGLY.

 

2015-2016 = Preseason pundits pegged the Huskers for 12th in the 14-team league, noting that Miles had to bring in six newcomers to support seniors like Benny Parker and Shavon Shields. Another losing streak to end the conference season — this time five games — left the team at 6-12 and in 11th place. However, a short three-game run in the conference tournament lightened moods a bit. EXPECTATIONS MET.

 

2016-2017 = It's not over, but before it began at least one site picked the Huskers to finish 14th.  Others had them 13th or 12th, if they felt generous. This was fueled, primarily, by the loss of Shields and a former Husker who transferred to Hell instead of sticking with his teammates. The Huskers still might have a four- or five-game losing streak in them to finish the season, but the likeliest bets at this point are they finish 7-11 or 8-10 in the conference, and somewhere between 8th and 10th place. EXPECTATIONS EXCEEDED.

 

If that happens, and the Huskers win a game in the conference tournament, it'll be Miles' fourth losing season in five years, which are the data that many are using to dismiss the optimism those of us have on this board. The argument could be that Nebraska shouldn't be entering seasons picked to finish at or near the bottom of the league, that after five years, Miles has had a chance to build a roster that should automatically be considered a mid-level conference team that contends for the post-season every year and makes the NCAA every third year or so.

 

My argument would be that Miles — as a coach — has exceeded expectations, based on the analysis above. I would argue that his success as a recruiter and developer of talent is still out because he sought that quick fix in Year 2 that led the team to the NCAA Tournament, and that quick fix was supposed to give him a second year of success working primarily with transfers while he built a roster from scratch with that 2015 freshman class (Watson, Jacobson, Morrow and McVeigh). But it didn't happen in 2014-2015 the way it was supposed to. In fact, I would argue that if that team had just played .500 ball in the conference — still not meeting expectations but also not suffering through a nine-game losing streak — that this wouldn't even be a discussion right now. Considering all that Miles and the Husker basketball program has been through in the past, Miles' tenure should be regarded as one that has generally exceeded expectations and is showing — right now, as I type — signs that sustained success is just around the corner.

 

Finally, as a reputation-point whore, I'll finish with a sentence that needs a semicolon.

 

Miles can coach and recruit; whether he can sustain a roster that will fulfill all our fantasies is yet to be seen. He deserves at least two more years to make that happen.

Edited February 20, 2017 by jayschool

[Cazzie22]

The AD has bigger worries in the Athletic Department than Men's Basketball.  Huskers are underperforming in numerous sports.  Exceptions are VB and the Track Teams.