2016 PF/C Jordy Tshimanga - Signed

[AuroranHusker]

 

BTW, Michael Jacobson averaged 21.5 minutes per game in Big Ten play, which was the 6th highest average on the team.

 

And, FWIW, Glynn Watson averaged 25.7 mpg in the B1G, which was the 4th highest for Nebrasketball.

 

Watson isn't a post player and close to 20 and minimum of 20 aren't technically the same thing. 

As a reference Diamond Stone averaged 22.6 minutes last season.

 

Averaging 15-20 over the course of the season seems feasible and actually would be a great season.

Averaging 20+ as a freshman post player who still has a raw game?  It would be extraordinary even though we have no other centers. 

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That's why I wrote "FWIW" - obviously Glynn is a point guard. 

 

I just wanted to bring some facts to a discussion... no opinion on the 20 min or avg 20.

[Norm Peterson]

Let me just throw this out there about Jordy and his potential minutes.

 

Yes, he's raw.  Yes, he's a freshman post.  (Diamond Stone is not apples to apples because, first of all, he's a stripper at the Deja Vu Club in Topeka, and second, he was on a team full of good big men.)

 

As to Jordy's rawness, I have two observations:  1) he's only been playing organized ball for 3 years and 2) he's a very smart kid.

 

What that means to me is that his learning curve is going to be steep.  A steep learning curve represents rapid improvement over a relatively short period of time.  It's the old 80/20 rule:  80% of your result comes from (the first) 20% of your effort; 20% of your result comes from (the last) 80% of your effort.  I anticipate he'll develop somewhat quickly.

 

Next, his status as a freshman.  First, he's shown he's up to the effort by transforming his body and dropping a ton of weight to go from over 300# to only about 270#.  Seeing his film from his recent visit and after, I am SHOCKED that he weighs 270#.  I would have guessed quite a bit less.  Which tells me he can hold his weight pretty well.  I would imagine that a period of conditioning for him in our program and he's going to come out in pretty good shape.  Again, we know he's willing to put in the effort.  So, I doubt conditioning will be a factor.

 

Next, the question of room.  He's the only true center on the roster.  Jacobson played nearly 20 min/game as a true freshman last year and we had a 6'10" sophomore on the roster ahead of him whom he had to (and did) beat out.  Not saying Jacobson is the same as Hammond.  Obviously, Michael has already proven he's a step up over Jake, and Jordy would have to be that much more of a step up to beat out Jacobson.  But even if he doesn't beat out Jacobson, there are plenty of minutes to be had and that's because ... there ain't no one else.  Jacobson will probably be able to spend some time at the 4.  Jordy is going to get as many minutes as he can handle. 

 

He may be raw offensively but he doesn't need to score a lot.  He needs to be able to set screens on offense and maybe receive some dishes of our guards can get to the lane and force the opposing big to help.  Other than that, we need him to defend the paint, grab boards, protect the rim and effectively guard the screen and roll.  Whatever other offense he is able to generate is just bonus.  We have other players who can score.

 

The lack of a Shavon Shields playing the 4 and putting up 30+ minutes/game means Jordy will have plenty of minutes.  Plenty.

 

 

 

 

 

 

On the other hand, we're bringing in a bunch of quality players in this recruiting class in addition to the quality players from last recruiting class and whoever else will still be around when the season starts.  Let's say Jeriah Horne starts eating it up at the 4 and Roby at the 3.  If so, Jacobson probably spends more time at the 5.  It might just be that all 3 freshmen wind up with 15-20 minutes/game, and maybe more than 20 is unlikely just because of how much talent there is on the roster with kids who will warrant playing time.  Something's gotta give.  Can't everybody play 30 min/game. 

 

So, maybe Dimes is right.  I could see it either way.

[Busch Light]

Personally, I think it comes down to basketball I.Q. and maturity.  Jacobson came in and had both in spades.  Jordy has the size and all of the physical tools.  If he comes in with the same basketball I.Q. and maturity as Jacobson, he'll get just as many minutes, perhaps even more if he gets his cardio down.  Not too many players do though.  Here's to hoping!

[Norm Peterson]

One other thing to consider is that if Miles hopes to recruit another big man at some point down the road -- and I'm certain he will want to -- then future big men need to see that that Jordy guy got minutes and was utilized, see.  So, that might be some motivation to get Jordy in there early and often.  And Jordy must want minutes because he chose us in part because we represented an opportunity to come play right away.

[jimmykc]

As I recall we have already had a freshman center with great size who did not log many minutes. I think he plays for Evansville now. So let us not set expectations for Jordy unrealistically high as we did for Tai. He will be very successful for us eventually but I'm not expecting him to be the difference maker for 2016. Gill, AWII, and the continued maturity of last year's frosh will be more important in our success.

[Huskerpapa]

For us to take it up a notch or two this coming season, it will be in large part because of our ability and/or improvement in defending in the paint.  This will allow our perimeter players to extend their defense.  We will do that with someone like Jordy in the paint.  We need him and I expect him to be within our main rotation.

[Fullbacksympathy]

As I recall we have already had a freshman center with great size who did not log many minutes. I think he plays for Evansville now. So let us not set expectations for Jordy unrealistically high as we did for Tai. He will be very successful for us eventually but I'm not expecting him to be the difference maker for 2016. Gill, AWII, and the continued maturity of last year's frosh will be more important in our success.

 

He didn't have great size.  He was really tall.  270lbs is great size.  That's 30lbs heavier than Patrick Ewing's playing weight.  Anything over 250lbs is pretty much immovable, and Jordy carries it well.  Count me as one who loved Maric.  Jordy is a lot more talented than Maric was offensively as a freshman.  Maric weighed 265 when he left.  He was super muscular though.  I hope we can transform Jordy's body in that way. 

[Chuck Taylor]

 

As I recall we have already had a freshman center with great size who did not log many minutes. I think he plays for Evansville now. So let us not set expectations for Jordy unrealistically high as we did for Tai. He will be very successful for us eventually but I'm not expecting him to be the difference maker for 2016. Gill, AWII, and the continued maturity of last year's frosh will be more important in our success.

 

He didn't have great size.  He was really tall.  270lbs is great size.  That's 30lbs heavier than Patrick Ewing's playing weight.  Anything over 250lbs is pretty much immovable, and Jordy carries it well.  Count me as one who loved Maric.  Jordy is a lot more talented than Maric was offensively as a freshman.  Maric weighed 265 when he left.  He was super muscular though.  I hope we can transform Jordy's body in that way. 

 

I'm not sure Jordy is more talented offensively than Maric.

Maric was pretty darn good around the basket as a freshman. His main issues as a freshman were consistent effort and lack of experience. Aleks averaged 18.5 ppg as a junior on .565 shooting. 

Instead of the highlight video, here's a full game. What i see is a raw offensive player. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJoxoeXTxxg

[busticket]

As long as he can board and hold his defensive position year 1 I'd be thrilled.

[Chuck Taylor]

As long as he can board and hold his defensive position year 1 I'd be thrilled.

+1 That's what we need. If Jordy does that, he'll see more PT, and he'll score more off putbacks and occasional feeds. I just don't think he's a Maric-type player who will merit playing time early based on his offensive skills. And while I may be more cautious of Jordy's chances in freshman year, he has an NBA frame and will get every chance to develop.

[MandRHusker]

As long as he can board and hold his defensive position year 1 I'd be thrilled.

+1 That's what we need. If Jordy does that, he'll see more PT, and he'll score more off putbacks and occasional feeds. I just don't think he's a Maric-type player who will merit playing time early based on his offensive skills. And while I may be more cautious of Jordy's chances in freshman year, he has an NBA frame and will get every chance to develop.

I believe it will all come down to foot speed. Is he quick enough to defend B1G centers? Height and weight are one thing but quickness will be the deciding factor IMHO. Guess we won't know until next fall.

[ShortDust]

As long as he can board and hold his defensive position year 1 I'd be thrilled.

+1 That's what we need. If Jordy does that, he'll see more PT, and he'll score more off putbacks and occasional feeds. I just don't think he's a Maric-type player who will merit playing time early based on his offensive skills. And while I may be more cautious of Jordy's chances in freshman year, he has an NBA frame and will get every chance to develop.

I believe it will all come down to foot speed. Is he quick enough to defend B1G centers? Height and weight are one thing but quickness will be the deciding factor IMHO. Guess we won't know until next fall.

Quickness will be great, but recovery speed will also be needed. If he gets beat off the dribble, but can recover to block the shot that'll be a great asset.

[Swan88]

Thanks, Chuck for posting this video link.

Jordy Tshimanga does some pretty exciting things in this game.

Here are some observations from the video:

He's mobile--2:25, 10:08, 15:00, 26:05, 37:05

He assists--3:50, 29:50

He scores--4:10, 5:00--but is not their go-to guy on offense.

He gets hacked . . . a lot, especially on his way to the bucket.

He needs to improve his free throw shooting percentage.

He doesn't do anything fancy with the dribble.

[jason2486]

Thanks, Chuck for posting this video link.

Jordy Tshimanga does some pretty exciting things in this game.

Here are some observations from the video:

He's mobile--2:25, 10:08, 15:00, 26:05, 37:05

He assists--3:50, 29:50

He scores--4:10, 5:00--but is not their go-to guy on offense.

He gets hacked . . . a lot, especially on his way to the bucket.

He needs to improve his free throw shooting percentage.

He doesn't do anything fancy with the dribble.

He also has a nice looking shot on his free throws. A lot of guys with his size and frame have ugly shots. His looks pretty smooth.

[Chuck Taylor]

The free throw form was encouraging, and I really liked the way he just seemed to move bodies when he was active without really using his arms. Seriously, this guy can eat space.

 

The inexperience shows in how he catches the ball or comes down with a rebound and clearly has no idea where his feet are going to land. So he ends up in awkward positions where he can't do anything effectively. Sometimes he's off balance and just kind of tosses the ball at the basket (in the highlights they go in). BUT despite the way it looks sometimes, he still put up big numbers in high school.

 

He's a good kid and seems to be willing to work, so you have to think his best days are ahead.

[Swan88]

Yeah. In the highlights they go in. But when they don't go in, he's either there for the tip or at the line--or both (rarely is it neither when he's near the basket).
But I know what you are saying--it's a little reminiscent of Ed with the ball in his hands at the beginning of last season.

[Norm Peterson]

I don't think he's a world-beater and I agree he's raw.  His footwork needs a lot of work.

 

But I think there's a lot to like.  He's raw, yes, but he's only been playing 3 or 4 years.  This kid is pretty good for someone that new to the game.  He has really fantastic size and length.

 

The fact that he lost a lot of weight tells me he has some discipline and motivation.  Plus, he's going to have a steep learning curve, meaning he's going to improve a lot in a short amount of time.  My reasons for guessing he'll improve a lot in a short period of time are because of the fact that he seems like a smart kid, he's new-ish to the game, and seems motivated to improve.

 

I've seen that full-game film before.  I think I might have posted it earlier in this thread.  There are a few times where he loses the ball on post-entry where it looks to me like the problem was he just didn't know what he was going to do with it.  That's ameliorated by knowing your footwork for some post moves/counter moves by rote.  Knowing the moves by rote also can turn a somewhat slower guy into a quicker guy because you just hit a button in your brain and the move happens.  Being decisive and having the footwork down really help.  That's where he needs to get and I think he probably can if he works at it, which I feel confident that he will.

[Norm Peterson]

From a July 11 Rivals report:

Playing alongside Horne all week, Tshimanga provided a big body with power to match down low. The lefty was strong in the paint, and while he wasn't flashy playing mostly below the rim, he was a bully on the glass, recording nearly seven rebounds per game.

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Playing alongside Horne all week.

 

That would be Jeriah Horne, one of our other commits.  Just sayin.

[MitchMcGaryMunchies]

He is definitely coming to the right place...

[lang]

 

...... That's ameliorated by knowing your footwork for some post moves/counter moves by rote......

 

"Ameliorated" ..... you never cease to amaze or impress Norm ! 

[Red Don]

Must have taken Latin in school.     I'm liking this guy more and more (sorry Norm, I mean Jordy  ).  Jordy seems to have a great personalty.

[TheKamdyMan]

http://hoopshype.ca/4618-2/

 

a couple highlights of blocks from Jordy T

[Swan88]

Gotta love the mobility!

[Norm Peterson]

Gotta love the mobility!

 

He's pretty straight-line fast for a guy who weighs 280#.

[AuroranHusker]