KenPom 2022-2023 KenPom Rankings Thread

[hskr4life]

Tim’s going to make it hard on us to jump him.  SJSU with a nice road win at UNLV tonight to counter our road win.  Hopefully we both keep battling it into the 90’s, 80’s, and 70’s!

[Cowboy Kermit]

An 8 spot rise for the February Fightin Freds following tonight’s win, and a familiar face directly below

[tcp]

Hoiberg v Miles is turning into some compelling theater

[hskr4life]

25 minutes ago, tcp said:

Hoiberg v Miles is turning into some compelling theater

Im just happy we’re battling to see who goes the highest and not the lowest.

[Norm Peterson]

9 hours ago, hskr4life said:

Tim’s going to make it hard on us to jump him.  SJSU with a nice road win at UNLV tonight to counter our road win.  Hopefully we both keep battling it into the 90’s, 80’s, and 70’s!

 

With that win, I believe SJSU has guaranteed itself to finish with a winning record for the 2nd or third time this century.

[colhusker]

Good for Miles.  It didn't work out here for him, which I had really hoped would.  At least he didn't call a closed door meeting to bash the place to the players.  He simply said he was going home to drink a Coors Light.  If anyone wants to bash him, it should be for his beer choice.  

[hskr4life]

2 minutes ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

With that win, I believe SJSU has guaranteed itself to finish with a winning record for the 2nd or third time this century.

 

Looks like they have 5 games to go plus conference tournament.  So they could still finish right at .500.  However, of those 5 games to go...

 

3 are at home where SJSU is 10-2 currently.

3 are against teams that are lower than them in the conference standings.

 

Should SJSU win out, they'd be 21-10 and 12-6 in the MWC.  Win one or two in the conference tourney and they might be in bubble territory.

[hskr4life]

Pretty nice jump in the NET-- up 6 spots

 

Those around us...

 

92- UC Irvine

93- UC Santa Barbara

94- Nebraska

95- Syracuse

96- Indiana State

 

Quad 1: 2-11

Quad 2- 3-3

Quad 3- 1-0

Quad 4- 7-0

 

Of the teams in the Top 100-- we have = or more Q1 wins than 52 of them.  WOW!  We've also played 13 Q1 games-- nearly half of our games.  The 13 Q1 games is more than 41 of the top 50 and 88 of the top 100 teams.

Edited February 15, 2023 by hskr4life

[49r]

10 hours ago, hskr4life said:

Tim’s going to make it hard on us to jump him.  SJSU with a nice road win at UNLV tonight to counter our road win.  Hopefully we both keep battling it into the 90’s, 80’s, and 70’s!

 

a 20 win regular season is not out of the question for San José State.  I'm not sure that has ever happened...

 

...really happy for coach Miles!

[NUdiehard]

The NET rankings are a joke.  Check out Iona (#69) and Yale (#70). 

 

Iona:  Quad 1 (0-2) Quad 2 (0-2) Quad 3 (9-2) Quad 4 (9-2)

 

Yale: Quad 1 (0-2) Quad 2 (1-2) Quad 3 (5-0) Quad 4 (9-2)

 

Nebraska (#94): Quad 1 (2-11) Quad 2 (3-3) Quad 3 (1-0) Quad 4 (7-0)

[hhcmatt]

12 minutes ago, NUdiehard said:

The NET rankings are a joke.  Check out Iona (#69) and Yale (#70). 

 

Iona:  Quad 1 (0-2) Quad 2 (0-2) Quad 3 (9-2) Quad 4 (9-2)

 

Yale: Quad 1 (0-2) Quad 2 (1-2) Quad 3 (5-0) Quad 4 (9-2)

 

Nebraska (#94): Quad 1 (2-11) Quad 2 (3-3) Quad 3 (1-0) Quad 4 (7-0)

 

We've come a long way from the RPI as the NET really resembles a Kenpom type ranking.

However, at the end of the day wins and loses are meaningful and both Iona and Yale have compiled wins, even if it's against opponents inferior to ours. On the flipside their NET rankings are meaningless unless they automatically qualify for the NCAA tournament because of those type of opponents. 

[49r]

So...here's how things stand for us right now (15-16 record is predicted):

 

94 Nebraska (13-14)

2023 Schedule 

Game Plan | Opponent Tracker

Date	Rk	Opponent		Result			Location	Record	Conf
Mon Nov 7	108	269	Maine	W, 79-66	70		Home	1-0
Thu Nov 10	114	316	Nebraska Omaha	W, 75-61	69		Home	2-0
Thu Nov 17	111	87	St. John's	L, 70-50	71		Away	2-1
Sun Nov 20	115	321	Arkansas Pine Bluff	W, 82-58	64		Home	3-1
Thu Nov 24	110	54	Oklahoma	L, 69-56	60		Neutral	3-2
Fri Nov 25	118	35	Memphis	L, 73-61	66		Neutral	3-3
Sun Nov 27	120	186	Florida St.	W, 75-58	71		Neutral	4-3
Wed Nov 30	111	195	Boston College	W, 88-67	63		Home	5-3
Sun Dec 4	95	12	Creighton	W, 63-53	71		Away	6-3
Wed Dec 7	83	19	Indiana	L, 81-65	72		Away	6-4	0-1
Sat Dec 10	81	4	Purdue	L, 65-62	66	OT	Home	6-5	0-2
Sat Dec 17	80	27	Kansas St.	L, 71-56	71		Semi-Away	6-6
Tue Dec 20	84	220	Queens	W, 75-65	73		Home	7-6
Thu Dec 29	89	34	Iowa	W, 66-50	66		Home	8-6	1-2
Tue Jan 3	82	31	Michigan St.	L, 74-56	64		Away	8-7	1-3
Sat Jan 7	84	224	Minnesota	W, 81-79	69	OT	Away	9-7	2-3
Tue Jan 10	84	25	Illinois	L, 76-50	67		Home	9-8	2-4
Fri Jan 13	92	4	Purdue	L, 73-55	61		Away	9-9	2-5
Wed Jan 18	94	51	Ohio St.	W, 63-60	72		Home	10-9	3-5
Sat Jan 21	93	48	Penn St.	L, 76-65	67		Away	10-10	3-6
Wed Jan 25	94	47	Northwestern	L, 78-63	68		Home	10-11	3-7
Sat Jan 28	98	23	Maryland	L, 82-63	65		Away	10-12	3-8
Tue Jan 31	100	25	Illinois	L, 72-56	73		Away	10-13	3-9
Sun Feb 5	103	48	Penn St.	W, 72-63	62		Home	11-13	4-9
Wed Feb 8	98	52	Michigan	L, 93-72	71		Away	11-14	4-10
Sat Feb 11	104	71	Wisconsin	W, 73-63	72	OT	Home	12-14	5-10
Tue Feb 14	102	26	Rutgers	W, 82-72	68		Away	13-14	6-10
Sun Feb 19		23	Maryland	L, 68-64	65	37%	Home		×
Sat Feb 25		224	Minnesota	W, 69-58	65	84%	Home		×
Tue Feb 28		31	Michigan St.	L, 66-63	65	40%	Home		×
Sun Mar 5		34	Iowa	L, 80-71	69	20%	Away		×
Projected record:								15-16	8-12

 

[Nebrasketball1979]

Stay with me for a minute...

 

We obviously need to continue to win to force our way into any type of postseason discussion.  Our computer rankings keep us well off the national radar.  Hypothetically speaking, if this team stays on the run they are on, I think a committee of humans would look favorably on the resume while factoring in team story/context (multiple injuries and team reset, etc). 

 

But to get there, we really need the national media to jump on board and start pushing the narrative of this team and the oddities in the computer rankings versus the actual resume and hopeful eye test.  In order to get there, a win on Sunday is a must. 

 

Here is how I think and hope it plays out.  Get a win on Sunday, and a convincing win would help, and I think the Andy Katz' of the world start to really take notice and see the path for Nebraska to somehow finish at 10-10 in the league.  It will at first become a cute story because the team was left for dead and they would realistically still need to win 5 more games at that point to really be talking NCAA berth.  Then, once we beat Minnesota and Michigan State at home, I think the national media attention really ramps up.  Instead of the cute story, it's like...holy shit, Fred Hoiberg isn't getting fired and there is really something special brewing in Lincoln.  Our computer rankings will be improved but will still really be scrutinized at this point and I think a lot of the points everyone has made above become talking points (no bad losses, amount of Q1 games, overcoming injuries, etc).  There will be comparisons of Nebraska's resume to teams 20 spots higher and the same conclusions will be drawn...computers be damned, Nebraska has the better resume.  The NCAA committee members will take notice.  We will start getting reminded again how the team has never won an NCAA tournament game and we will become a feel good story and media darling.  The national media will fully embrace Keisei and the hardworking nature of this team.  The buildup to the final regular season game at Iowa will be like nothing seen since no-sit Sunday.

 

All that stands between Nebraska and relevancy this season is three home wins.  What seemed impossible to say and think a few weeks ago is suddenly very much on the table.  Let's take care of business on Sunday and enjoy the ride to the end!  

[Norm Peterson]

It's only slightly better than a coinflip that Maryland beats us, IMO. I've seen them in road games this year where they just didn't look all that hot. If we get that Maryland team, and bring our A game, we'll win. I'm worried about Minnesota being a trap game. We CANNOT lose to Minnesota.

 

If we win those two, we'll have something to play for when Michigan St comes to town. And that'll be senior night, so ...

[busticket]

6 hours ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

With that win, I believe SJSU has guaranteed itself to finish with a winning record for the 2nd or third time this century.

SJSU is a brutally difficult job.  Tim is doing way above and beyond what I expected.  I am really happy for him.  He handled himself with class here.

[49r]

9 minutes ago, busticket said:

SJSU is a brutally difficult job.  Tim is doing way above and beyond what I expected.  I am really happy for him.  He handled himself with class here.

 

Amen!  I wholeheartedly agree with this.

 

It's an unbelievably difficult job.  My fervent hope is he manages to do well enough at SJSU to get another shot at a high major job.  He's got a lot of his current roster coming back next year (barring transfers) so if they run it back next year SJSU could be a nice dark horse pick for the Mountain West.

[OmahaHusker]

2 hours ago, Nebrasketball1979 said:

Stay with me for a minute...

 

We obviously need to continue to win to force our way into any type of postseason discussion.  Our computer rankings keep us well off the national radar.  Hypothetically speaking, if this team stays on the run they are on, I think a committee of humans would look favorably on the resume while factoring in team story/context (multiple injuries and team reset, etc). 

 

But to get there, we really need the national media to jump on board and start pushing the narrative of this team and the oddities in the computer rankings versus the actual resume and hopeful eye test.  In order to get there, a win on Sunday is a must. 

 

Here is how I think and hope it plays out.  Get a win on Sunday, and a convincing win would help, and I think the Andy Katz' of the world start to really take notice and see the path for Nebraska to somehow finish at 10-10 in the league.  It will at first become a cute story because the team was left for dead and they would realistically still need to win 5 more games at that point to really be talking NCAA berth.  Then, once we beat Minnesota and Michigan State at home, I think the national media attention really ramps up.  Instead of the cute story, it's like...holy shit, Fred Hoiberg isn't getting fired and there is really something special brewing in Lincoln.  Our computer rankings will be improved but will still really be scrutinized at this point and I think a lot of the points everyone has made above become talking points (no bad losses, amount of Q1 games, overcoming injuries, etc).  There will be comparisons of Nebraska's resume to teams 20 spots higher and the same conclusions will be drawn...computers be damned, Nebraska has the better resume.  The NCAA committee members will take notice.  We will start getting reminded again how the team has never won an NCAA tournament game and we will become a feel good story and media darling.  The national media will fully embrace Keisei and the hardworking nature of this team.  The buildup to the final regular season game at Iowa will be like nothing seen since no-sit Sunday.

 

All that stands between Nebraska and relevancy this season is three home wins.  What seemed impossible to say and think a few weeks ago is suddenly very much on the table.  Let's take care of business on Sunday and enjoy the ride to the end!  

 

If Kentucky and North Carolina weren't also bubble teams this year I could see it.

[MichHusker]

NET rating blind resume game! Let me know what you would think the NET rating is for the following teams

 

Team A

Q1 : 2-1 Q2: 3-1 Q3: 10-0 Q4: 7-0

Team B

Q1: 0-4 Q2: 1-0 Q3: 3-0 Q4: 15-0

Team C

Q1: 0-3 Q2: 1-1 Q3: 4-2 Q4: 13-0

Team D

Q1: 2-11 Q2: 3-3 Q3: 1-0 Q4: 7-0

[hskr4life]

2 hours ago, MichHusker said:

NET rating blind resume game! Let me know what you would think the NET rating is for the following teams

 

Team A

Q1 : 2-1 Q2: 3-1 Q3: 10-0 Q4: 7-0

Team B

Q1: 0-4 Q2: 1-0 Q3: 3-0 Q4: 15-0

Team C

Q1: 0-3 Q2: 1-1 Q3: 4-2 Q4: 13-0

Team D

Q1: 2-11 Q2: 3-3 Q3: 1-0 Q4: 7-0

 

 

I cheated.  D is definitely us and I knew that for sure from my posts from earlier.

 

C I was surprised they were so flipping high in the NET... it can't be on name alone...

 

B is even higher than C... 

 

A definitely screams top 20 resume...... (little bit of sarcasm there)

[The Polish Rifle]

1 hour ago, hskr4life said:

 

 

I cheated.  D is definitely us and I knew that for sure from my posts from earlier.

 

C I was surprised they were so flipping high in the NET... it can't be on name alone...

 

B is even higher than C... 

 

A definitely screams top 20 resume...... (little bit of sarcasm there)

Hard to knock A, 5-2 against Q1-Q2 and zero bad losses. Strongest resume by a wide margin in that group.

[MichHusker]

7 hours ago, The Polish Rifle said:

Hard to knock A, 5-2 against Q1-Q2 and zero bad losses. Strongest resume by a wide margin in that group.

I think its not so much that A (FAU) is Higher than us in the NET, its the fact they are about 75 spots higher than us. We both have the same amount of Q1/Q2 wins, and it seems like overall we have been punished for having a tough schedule 

Edited February 16, 2023 by MichHusker

[Norm Peterson]

17 hours ago, 49r said:

 

Amen!  I wholeheartedly agree with this.

 

It's an unbelievably difficult job.  My fervent hope is he manages to do well enough at SJSU to get another shot at a high major job.  He's got a lot of his current roster coming back next year (barring transfers) so if they run it back next year SJSU could be a nice dark horse pick for the Mountain West.

 

One of the most impressive things is that he did it without a complete roster overhaul. His best player right now is a guy who's been at SJSU for 4 seasons. There are some guys he brought in, sure, but he kept guys, too, and they're putting up much better numbers for him than under the prior coach.

[Norm Peterson]

22 hours ago, NUdiehard said:

The NET rankings are a joke.  Check out Iona (#69) and Yale (#70). 

 

Iona:  Quad 1 (0-2) Quad 2 (0-2) Quad 3 (9-2) Quad 4 (9-2)

 

Yale: Quad 1 (0-2) Quad 2 (1-2) Quad 3 (5-0) Quad 4 (9-2)

 

Nebraska (#94): Quad 1 (2-11) Quad 2 (3-3) Quad 3 (1-0) Quad 4 (7-0)

 

I've said this for awhile. These are good illustrations.

 

Iona in particular. They have no Quad 1 or Quad 2 wins; we have 5. We have no Quad 3 or Quad 4 losses; they have 4.

[OmahaHusker]

3 hours ago, MichHusker said:

I think its not so much that A (FAU) is Higher than us in the NET, its the fact they are about 75 spots higher than us. We both have the same amount of Q1/Q2 wins, and it seems like overall we have been punished for having a tough schedule 

 

I think the margin of defeat for a lot of our games is really bringing that NET number down. Also, the team's predictive metrics are no bueno. 

[royalfan]

I think some folks might be confusing using quad wins to evaluate teams versus how the NET ranking is compiled.  Your NET ranking has nothing to do with quad wins and losses.