Alonzo Verge Jr.

[49r]

Isaiah weighs in:

 

 

[aphilso1]

1 hour ago, Nebrasketballer said:

Considering the alternative was for Nebraska to have an empty spot left from Banton deciding to keep his name in the NBA Draft… I don’t understand how anyone could think this is anything other than a great thing for the Huskers to get a player or this caliber with legitimate success at a Power6 conference school and that was getting looks from NBA teams before deciding to come back to play another season in college. He’s a grad transfer, so he has one season of eligibility, so he literally fills Banton’s empty spot for ‘21-‘22, and will leave that spot open again for the 2022 recruiting class. It’s a win-win.

 

Teddy Allen

Cam Mack

Deverell Biggs

 

Sometimes talented transfers actually make the team worse.  Not saying Alonzo is the fourth to add to the list, I don't know.  But there is a recent track record of Me First stars hurting the team.  That's why so many fans are washing their red kool-aid down with a grain of salt.

[HuskerFever]

5 minutes ago, 49r said:

Isaiah weighs in:

 

 

 

Hoiberg in the offseason:

 

[aphilso1]

10 minutes ago, aphilso1 said:

 

Teddy Allen

Cam Mack

Deverell Biggs

 

Sometimes talented transfers actually make the team worse.  Not saying Alonzo is the fourth to add to the list, I don't know.  But there is a recent track record of Me First stars hurting the team.  That's why so many fans are washing their red kool-aid down with a grain of salt.

 

Tagging onto my previous post, this quote from Robin's article on Rivals gives me great hope:

 

"I want to win. That's my main goal," Verge said. "I'm a big winner. That's really what I came to Nebraska for, is to win and help those guys win. My main goal for myself is to be that leader that the guys need. Honestly, I have no individual goals. Obviously, I want to play well, but I just want to win and take these guys to the NCAA Tournament."

 

Now granted, I've never read an article where a kid says "I don't care about the other guys in the locker room, I came here to pad my stats!"  But you do read articles where a guys says "the coach really knows how to get me to the NBA" or "I feel like this is the best place for me to raise my game to the next level" or other similar statements.  So the fact that he says he wants to be a leader and win regardless of individual accolades seems like a positive coming from a guy being added this late in the off-season.

[Handy Johnson]

Massaging egos & getting an overly talented roster to the promised land is why we brought in Fred in the first place...

[Bugeaters1]

It’s July and we just picked up a guy who was getting some NBA looks and also dropped 43 in a power conference game last year.
 
It’s like a reverse Benedict Arnold.

The game in which he scored 43. ASU only had a total of 56.

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[Red Rum]

33 minutes ago, 49r said:

Isaiah weighs in:

 

 

Jete approves

[hugh42]

Bangarang! Been hoping for this! Gigundus! Nebraska basketball lands Arizona State transfer Alonzo Verge Jr. https://t.co/jcvl4mtp8Z

— Kent Pavelka (@KentPavelka) July 8, 2021

[Swan88]

49r posted above Alonzo Verge's 2021 stats--"2021 Game Data."

To see something impressive, run down the side-by-side columns for DR and A to see:

• lots of 4 to 8 defensive rebounds; and
• lots of 4 to 9 assists.

Here's guessing that Hoiberg & Co. think they can make hay at NU out of those skills, which are Banton-esque.

The free throw column is also impressive.  Here's guessing Hoiberg & Co. believe a point guard's 80% free throw skill will come in handy during "foul-'em" time at the end of games--that's one clear improvement over Banton.

[REDitus]

Interesting addition.  I like the fact that he is a grad transfer and adds experience to the team especially at the ball handler spots.  I think it increases the flexibility of the lineup as the backcourt is flush now and players can spill over to the wings if necessary.     I always like to think teams should be filled from the edges in.  (Get your ball handlers and bigs squared away and then fill in the inner spots.)

[hhcmatt]

3 hours ago, 49r said:

Seems a little bit like Teddy Allen mk ii, no?


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To me we just grabbed our backup PG and a reliable bucket.

 

 

Assist rate: Verge

 

Our team last year, for reference 

 

 

So yeah you're right in seeing a dude who took a lot of shots.

I see a guy with passing ability who hopefully can make that translate here.

In those terms, how much better than Kobe Webster is he?

[cornfed24-7]

1 hour ago, aphilso1 said:

 

Teddy Allen

Cam Mack

Deverell Biggs

 

Sometimes talented transfers actually make the team worse.  Not saying Alonzo is the fourth to add to the list, I don't know.  But there is a recent track record of Me First stars hurting the team.  That's why so many fans are washing their red kool-aid down with a grain of salt.

Honest question here. None of them were grad transfers correct? I think that makes a huge difference. This kid did his time at Juco, then ASU, now grad transfer. To me this is a bit of "one of these things is not like the other" in a good way.

[49r]

12 minutes ago, hhcmatt said:

 

To me we just grabbed our backup PG and a reliable bucket.

 

 

Assist rate: Verge

 

Our team last year, for reference 

 

 

So yeah you're right in seeing a dude who took a lot of shots.

I see a guy with passing ability who hopefully can make that translate here.

In those terms, how much better than Kobe Webster is he?

 

Yep, that is the one positive difference that says to me he might work out.  At least he's not a complete black hole.  And his ORtg lies somewhere in-between  Dalano and Teddy.

 

If we can get Melo Trimble comps out of him, then I'm on board...but consider me skeptical:

 

Comparable players for Alonzo Verge 
2020 · 2021

			Ht	Wt	Yr	G	%Min	ORtg	%Poss	%Shots	eFG%	TS%	OR%	DR%	ARate	TORate	Blk%	Stl%	FC/40	FD/40	FTRate	FTM-A	Pct	2PM-A	Pct	3PM-A	Pct
2021 SF	Alonzo Verge  National Rank	1000	6-2	170	Sr	23	67.8	95.8	28.0 113	27.6 197	43.8	49.2	2.2	13.1	26.1 158	16.1	0.6	2.2	3.5	4.6 350	31.3	72-89	.809 253	84-203	.414	27-81	.333
2018 SF	Kevin Zabo  National Rank	900	6-2	183	Sr	33	72.1	103.4	23.6	25.3 400	47.1	51.5	2.2	10.6	17.8	15.9	0.1	2.1	4.0	4.2	29.6	84-107	.785 421	107-228	.469	42-133	.316
2013 SG	Terone Johnson  National Rank	900	6-2	199	Jr	33	77.4 421	98.7	24.9 354	27.9 184	44.6	46.8	4.4	11.7	19.9 441	15.3 444	0.6	1.0	2.6	3.7	24.9	66-106	.623	134-318	.421	37-107	.346
2015 SF	Devin Brooks  National Rank	898	6-2	175	Sr	33	56.6	91.9	27.2 153	23.6	38.6	45.1	7.3	19.0 259	29.8 91	23.3	0.5	2.7 375	2.4 401	4.8 353	42.6	74-101	.733	66-167	.395	17-70	.243
2017 SG	Melo Trimble  National Rank	894	6-3	185	Jr	32	81.2 258	104.8	28.6 86	28.4 175	50.4	55.8	1.0	11.6	25.6 172	19.7	0.5	2.0	2.2 199	5.5 195	42.0 381	136-172	.791 322	121-228	.531	57-182	.313
2011 SF	Jamar Diggs  National Rank	892	6-2	180	Sr	33	76.4 452	106.2	22.4	23.8	46.4	51.8	1.7	10.7	19.2 490	15.0 356	2.8 443	3.4 105	3.6	4.3	39.8	102-134	.761 453	116-260	.446	27-77	.351
2012 SG·PG	Anthony James  National Rank	890	6-0	175	Jr	33	68.2	94.6	28.0 105	31.8 38	43.2	47.6	1.9	17.4 390	15.5	12.2 114	0.0	1.5	2.6	4.4	28.7	83-109	.761 437	110-285	.386	36-95	.379 358
2020 SG·PG	Kamar Baldwin  National Rank	890	6-1	190	Sr	31	78.7 406	104.7	29.5 66	33.6 24	46.9	51.0	1.9	15.3	23.8 234	13.3 328	2.1	2.1	2.3 347	4.3	22.4	85-100	.850 108	143-313	.457	44-133	.331
2018 SG	Siler Schneider  National Rank	890	6-3	183	Jr	31	75.3	95.8	26.8 191	30.1 101	48.7	51.6	1.9	10.7	16.8	17.5	1.0	2.2 496	3.4	4.1	24.5	68-93	.731	134-272	.493	34-108	.315
2020 PG	Rasheem Dunn  National Rank	890	6-2	190	Jr	29	65.3	97.3	23.3	21.7	40.5	47.6	1.9	11.6	22.1 287	15.8	0.0	1.9	2.1 221	4.9 291	44.7 232	103-134	.769 449	96-224	.429	17-76	.224
2014 PG	Tracy Abrams  National Rank	887	6-2	190	Jr	35	75.0	95.1	24.8 386	23.5	37.7	45.2	1.8	12.4	23.1 290	16.3	0.9	2.5 373	2.9	4.7	43.6	115-149	.772 416	84-231	.364	30-111	.270

[hhcmatt]

Didn't know anything about Verge coming into this other than he was the guy who put up 43 in a 40 point loss.

 

 

In terms of replacing Banton, we're bringing in PG type who will give us an open scholarship for 2022.  In terms of just Banton, this is a loss on the back end in terms of rim protection.  Verge is pretty good on the boards though he's no Banton there either. The 3pt numbers are meh but relative to Banton, it's quite the improvement.  The FT numbers indicate the 3pt numbers have a chance to move up, especially in this Nebraska offense that will give him wide open looks.

 

ASU is uptempo but not as assist heavy which to me says when they're not breaking, they're playing ISO ball. Feels like for our break Verge may bring back the Mack/Burke/Cheatham 'You know i'm running and still can't stop it' break that we could spam for easy points. The assist numbers give me hope for our half court but I felt the same way about Kobe.  Feel good about this pull.

 

[Nebrasketballer]

2 hours ago, aphilso1 said:

 

Teddy Allen

Cam Mack

Deverell Biggs

 

Sometimes talented transfers actually make the team worse.  Not saying Alonzo is the fourth to add to the list, I don't know.  But there is a recent track record of Me First stars hurting the team.  That's why so many fans are washing their red kool-aid down with a grain of salt.

Those guys all had more serious baggage and character issues than Verge Jr does, at least as far as what I know yet.

 

Everyone knew about the character issues and baggage that Allen, Biggs, and Mack were bringing before they even got to Nebraska. I don’t think those are very apples to apples comparisons to Verge Jr.

[hhcmatt]

1 minute ago, 49r said:

Yep, that is the one positive difference that says to me he might work out.  At least he's not a complete black hole.  And his ORtg lies somewhere in-between  Dalano and Teddy.

 

If we can get Melo Trimble comps out of him, then I'm on board...but consider me skeptical:

 

 

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[hhcmatt]

 

[huskerbill85]

I'm old enough to remember when Nebraska couldnt get a 4* player to come to Lincoln. Honey times sure are changing.

[Silverbacked1]

Yeah what three or four years ago we would be talking about statues for landing this kid

[Nebrasketballer]

 

[JBARGIE]

Having 3 senior point guards is probably the most underrated part of this pickup.  Between Kobe, Trey, and Alonzo there will always be a reliable dude running point who can take care of the ball and get a bucket.

[Norm Peterson]

27 minutes ago, JBARGIE said:

Having 3 senior point guards is probably the most underrated part of this pickup.  Between Kobe, Trey, and Alonzo there will always be a reliable dude running point who can take care of the ball and get a bucket.

 

Trey's a junior. Just sayin'.

[Norm Peterson]

One encouraging thing is that all the ASU types I saw on twitter really had nothing but good things to say about him and were wishing him well.

 

One ASU beat sports reporter described him as a good guy on and off the court.

[cornfed24-7]

9 minutes ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

Trey's a junior. Just sayin'.

He got me

[49r]

Interesting.  His recruiting pages say he was recruited to ASU by....Rashon Burno.

 

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2019/alonzo-verge-233994

 

https://247sports.com/Player/Alonzo-Verge-Jr-84002/junior-college-225701/

 

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/236185/alonzo-verge-jr

 

Edited July 8, 2021 by 49r