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Considering the alternative was for Nebraska to have an empty spot left from Banton deciding to keep his name in the NBA Draft… I don’t understand how anyone could think this is anything other than a

I mean is he really a JUCO guard anymore, if he's literally played 2 full seasons of power 5 ball? Seems like it takes away the 'can he play at this level' factor...

The reason is that with no more Burno, it threw off everyone's perception of time.  With Burno around 50 days seems like a year, so then without him the space-time continuum is really screwed up down

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Tell me why I should be excited by this news.


From Washut’s article:

 

-Verge played in 51 games with 30 starts during his two seasons at Arizona State, averaging 14.3 points, 3.7 rebounds, and 2.9 assists while playing 28.1 minutes per game for his career

 

-Scored a career-high 43 points against St. Marys

 

-2020 Pac-12 Sixth Man of the Year

 

-A 4-star JUCO prospect in the 2019 class

 

-Verge moved into the starting lineup last season and was ASU's third-leading scorer at 14.0 ppg while starting 21 of 23 games.

 

-Averaged 3.8 assists and shot 33.3% from 3PT

 

-Was 39.1% from the field and 80.9% from the free-throw line

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Alonzo Verge
11 · Chicago, IL · 10-17-98

    Ht Wt Yr G %Min ORtg %Poss %Shots eFG% TS% OR% DR% ARate TORate Blk% Stl% FC/40 FD/40 FTRate FTM-A Pct 2PM-A Pct 3PM-A Pct
2021
SF
86 Arizona St. 
National Rank
6-2 170 Sr 23 67.8 95.8 28.0
113
27.6
197
43.8 49.2 2.2 13.1 26.1
158
16.1 0.6 2.2 3.5 4.6
350
31.3 72-89 .809
253
84-203 .414 27-81 .333
  Conference-only
Conference Rank
      16 69.7
24
93.8 25.9
13
25.3
16
38.7 45.5 2.5 10.8 26.8
7
15.3 0.5 2.2
14
3.2 4.1
21
30.8 49-56 .875
3
48-137 .350 15-45 .333
  vs. Tier A+B*       17 70.3 96.2 28.8 29.4 45.3 50.2 2.1 13.2 24.6 14.4 0.6 2.4 3.5 4.8 30.0 54-67 .806 65-150 .433 24-73 .329
  vs. Tier A*       13 75.6 92.3 29.4 29.8 43.3 47.8 2.1 13.5 25.1 14.4 0.8 1.8 3.2 4.5 26.7 38-48 .792 45-114 .395 22-66 .333
  Age: 22.2 (-0.4)   Similar: Kevin Zabo '18 (900), Terone Johnson '13 (900), Devin Brooks '15 (898), Melo Trimble '17 (894), Jamar Diggs '11 (892), More...
2020
SG
63 Arizona St. 10 
National Rank
6-3 167 Jr 28 60.4 97.8 28.9
90
31.4
48
46.8 50.2 2.5 11.6 18.8
461
15.1 0.5 2.8
229
2.4
409
4.7
371
26.3 70-95 .737 136-285 .477 22-76 .289
  Conference-only
Conference Rank
      18 66.5 97.1 28.2
6
30.3
5
47.7 50.9 1.8 11.7 16.5
22
16.2 0.7 2.9
5
2.5
20
4.6
16
29.0 45-64 .703 83-177 .469 15-44 .341
24
  vs. Tier A+B*       17 60.4 87.2 29.3 31.6 43.2 46.5 1.6 11.3 16.6 16.3 0.2 3.1 2.4 4.5 24.8 39-55 .709 78-177 .441 12-45 .267
  vs. Tier A*       12 61.9 80.1 28.4 30.7 37.7 41.0 2.3 12.9 18.1 15.1 0.0 2.9 2.7 4.4 26.7 25-39 .641 49-119 .412 4-27 .148
  Age: 21.2 (-0.4)   Similar: Jaylen Barford '17 (907), Ray Lee '14 (876), Javon Freeman-Liberty '21 (875), Tyrone Garland '13 (875), Nick Dixon '17 (875), More...
  Career     51   142-184 .772 220-488 .451 49-157 .312
  vs. Tier A+B*     34   93-122 .762 143-327 .437 36-118 .305
  vs. Tier A*     25   63-87 .724 94-233 .403 26-93 .280
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2021 Game Data

      Opponent Result   Site     St MP ORtg %Ps Pts 2Pt 3Pt FT OR DR A TO Blk Stl PF  
a.gif Mar 11 16 Oregon L, 91-73   Neutral P12-T   33 105 40 28 10-14 2-11 2-2 0 8 4 2 1 1 3 a.gif
b.gif Mar 10 78 Washington St. W, 64-59   Neutral P12-T MVP 31 107 36 26 10-13 0-2 6-7 1 5 2 5 0 2 4 b.gif
a.gif Mar 6 44 Utah L, 98-59   Away P12   32 87 25 13 5-10 0-3 3-4 2 2 2 2 0 2 0 a.gif
a.gif Mar 4 8 Colorado L, 75-61   Away P12   25 57 30 8 1-8 2-4 0-0 0 1 1 3 0 0 3 a.gif
 
  Feb 27 78 Washington St. W, 77-74 OT Home P12   41 89 22 9 2-7 1-2 2-2 2 4 9 5 0 2 3  
  Feb 25 129 Washington W, 80-72   Home P12   36 93 26 13 2-13 1-1 6-6 0 5 7 2 0 1 2  
  Feb 23 129 Washington W, 97-64   Home P12   30 108 27 16 6-12 1-2 1-1 0 6 7 3 1 2 3  
a.gif Feb 20 13 UCLA L, 80-79   Away P12   33 94 36 18 7-16 1-4 1-2 0 4 5 1 0 1 2 a.gif
a.gif Feb 17 6 USC L, 89-71   Away P12   23 68 25 7 2-8 1-3 0-0 0 2 1 1 0 1 2 a.gif
b.gif Feb 14 43 Oregon St. W, 75-73   Home P12 MVP 31 112 26 15 3-9 1-3 6-8 1 2 4 0 0 2 2 b.gif
a.gif Feb 11 16 Oregon L, 75-64   Home P12   27 72 19 6 0-6 2-6 0-0 0 2 3 0 0 0 0 a.gif
 
b.gif Jan 30 57 Stanford W, 79-75   Home P12     25 134 20 12 4-7 0-0 4-4 0 2 4 1 0 2 3 b.gif
  Jan 28 114 California W, 72-68   Home P12     15 97 25 6 2-4 0-1 2-2 0 1 2 1 0 0 2  
a.gif Jan 25 29 Arizona L, 80-67   Away P12   24 62 19 5 2-5 0-1 1-1 0 1 2 3 1 0 4 a.gif
a.gif Jan 21 29 Arizona L, 84-82   Home P12   31 102 23 12 3-6 1-2 3-4 2 4 4 4 0 0 2 a.gif
a.gif Jan 16 43 Oregon St. L, 80-79   Away P12   26 131 26 8 1-3 0-1 6-6 3 0 8 2 0 2 5 a.gif
a.gif Jan 9 6 USC L, 73-64   Home P12   37 87 28 17 2-8 2-5 7-8 0 2 3 4 0 1 3 a.gif
a.gif Jan 7 13 UCLA L, 81-75 OT Home P12   45 103 29 25 6-15 2-7 7-8 1 6 4 2 0 3 3 a.gif
 
  Dec 16 136 UTEP L, 76-63   Home     30 87 26 13 5-9 0-1 3-5 0 3 3 3 0 1 2  
b.gif Dec 13 103 Grand Canyon W, 71-70   Away     26 87 22 9 3-7 1-2 0-0 0 2 2 2 0 3 3 b.gif
a.gif Dec 10 30 San Diego St. L, 80-68   Home     30 106 36 25 1-6 7-14 2-2 0 5 4 3 0 1 3 a.gif
b.gif Dec 3 114 California W, 70-62   Away P12   Did not play b.gif
 
  Nov 29 341 Houston Baptist W, 100-77   Home     Did not play  
a.gif Nov 26 12 Villanova L, 83-74   Neutral     31 103 38 22 5-9 2-5 6-11 0 7 3 3 1 1 2 a.gif
  Nov 25 111 Rhode Island W, 94-88   Neutral     23 71 30 8 2-8 0-1 4-6 2 2 3 4 0 0 3  
      Opponent Result   Site     St MP ORtg %Ps Pts 2Pt 3Pt FT OR DR A TO Blk Stl PF  
 

2020 Game Data

      Opponent Result   Site     St MP ORtg %Ps Pts 2Pt 3Pt FT OR DR A TO Blk Stl PF  
  Mar 7 127 Washington St. W, 83-74   Home P12     33 90 27 20 7-15 1-3 3-5 0 7 1 3 0 2 1  
b.gif Mar 5 54 Washington L, 90-83   Home P12     30 121 22 19 3-7 4-5 1-1 0 1 3 3 0 3 1 b.gif
 
a.gif Feb 29 55 USC L, 71-61   Away P12     28 51 21 6 3-7 0-4 0-0 0 1 0 1 0 1 3 a.gif
a.gif Feb 27 78 UCLA L, 75-72   Away P12     23 86 37 12 5-11 0-0 2-2 1 3 2 4 0 2 5 a.gif
  Feb 22 87 Oregon St. W, 74-73   Home P12     26 102 34 17 6-8 1-5 2-3 0 1 1 3 1 1 2  
a.gif Feb 20 17 Oregon W, 77-72   Home P12     33 102 38 26 9-18 1-3 5-10 1 2 3 2 0 3 2 a.gif
  Feb 16 153 California W, 80-75   Away P12     33 118 34 22 6-14 0-2 10-11 2 4 2 0 0 0 1  
a.gif Feb 13 43 Stanford W, 74-69   Away P12     31 113 30 19 8-12 0-1 3-4 0 7 4 4 0 1 1 a.gif
b.gif Feb 8 55 USC W, 66-64   Home P12     32 112 20 16 3-10 2-3 4-5 0 1 0 1 0 2 1 b.gif
  Feb 6 78 UCLA W, 84-66   Home P12 MVP   24 132 37 26 7-13 3-3 3-4 0 1 2 1 0 1 2  
a.gif Feb 1 54 Washington W, 87-83   Away P12     28 113 25 18 7-7 0-1 4-6 1 4 2 5 0 0 2 a.gif
 
b.gif Jan 29 127 Washington St. L, 67-65   Away P12     21 87 27 11 4-7 1-2 0-0 0 2 1 4 0 3 2 b.gif
a.gif Jan 25 19 Arizona W, 66-65   Home P12     28 89 26 13 5-12 1-3 0-1 1 3 2 1 0 2 1 a.gif
  Jan 18 114 Utah W, 83-64   Home P12     21 104 25 9 3-7 1-1 0-0 0 3 3 2 1 0 2  
b.gif Jan 16 35 Colorado L, 68-61   Home P12   18 55 36 7 2-11 0-2 3-4 0 2 0 1 1 0 0 b.gif
a.gif Jan 11 17 Oregon L, 78-69   Away P12   17 32 19 0 0-3 0-2 0-0 0 3 3 1 0 0 1 a.gif
a.gif Jan 9 87 Oregon St. W, 82-76   Away P12   25 72 31 7 2-8 0-1 3-6 1 3 5 3 0 4 2 a.gif
a.gif Jan 4 19 Arizona L, 75-47   Away P12   28 77 20 8 3-7 0-3 2-2 1 1 1 1 0 0 1 a.gif
 
  Dec 28 278 Texas Southern W, 98-81   Home   MVP 30 163 24 23 8-11 2-2 1-1 1 5 7 2 0 2 2  
a.gif Dec 21 12 Creighton L, 67-60   Home     37 72 36 19 4-18 2-5 5-7 0 4 0 2 0 2 2 a.gif
b.gif Dec 18 38 Saint Mary's L, 96-56   Semi-Home       36 117 51 43 17-23 1-6 6-6 0 3 2 6 0 1 2 b.gif
  Dec 14 96 Georgia W, 79-59   Home       27 106 25 15 6-8 1-3 0-0 2 3 2 4 0 1 2  
  Dec 11 213 Prairie View A&M W, 88-79   Home       27 122 30 20 5-9 1-3 7-8 2 2 2 2 0 0 3  
  Dec 7 226 Louisiana W, 77-65   Home       24 56 18 4 2-5 0-2 0-1 0 3 2 2 0 1 1  
a.gif Dec 3 74 San Francisco W, 71-67   Away       15 48 29 3 1-9 0-0 1-1 0 1 2 0 0 0 1 a.gif
 
  Nov 26 150 Princeton W, 67-65   Away     Did not play  
a.gif Nov 24 42 Virginia L, 48-45   Neutral     Did not play a.gif
b.gif Nov 23 66 St. John's W, 80-67   Neutral     Did not play b.gif
  Nov 17 187 Rider W, 92-55   Home     25 95 27 11 5-11 0-4 1-3 3 3 4 0 0 4 1  
  Nov 14 347 Central Connecticut W, 90-49   Home     20 106 29 10 3-7 0-3 4-4 1 1 5 1 0 1 0  
a.gif Nov 8 35 Colorado L, 81-71   Neutral P12   29 48 19 4 2-7 0-4 0-0 1 5 2 1 0 2 1 a.gif
      Opponent Result   Site     St MP ORtg %Ps Pts 2Pt 3Pt FT OR DR A TO Blk Stl PF  
 
 
 
 
 

 

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5 minutes ago, 49r said:

Alonzo Verge
11 · Chicago, IL · 10-17-98

    Ht Wt Yr G %Min ORtg %Poss %Shots eFG% TS% OR% DR% ARate TORate Blk% Stl% FC/40 FD/40 FTRate FTM-A Pct 2PM-A Pct 3PM-A Pct
2021
SF
86 Arizona St. 
National Rank
6-2 170 Sr 23 67.8 95.8 28.0
113
27.6
197
43.8 49.2 2.2 13.1 26.1
158
16.1 0.6 2.2 3.5 4.6
350
31.3 72-89 .809
253
84-203 .414 27-81 .333
  Conference-only
Conference Rank
      16 69.7
24
93.8 25.9
13
25.3
16
38.7 45.5 2.5 10.8 26.8
7
15.3 0.5 2.2
14
3.2 4.1
21
30.8 49-56 .875
3
48-137 .350 15-45 .333
  vs. Tier A+B*       17 70.3 96.2 28.8 29.4 45.3 50.2 2.1 13.2 24.6 14.4 0.6 2.4 3.5 4.8 30.0 54-67 .806 65-150 .433 24-73 .329
  vs. Tier A*       13 75.6 92.3 29.4 29.8 43.3 47.8 2.1 13.5 25.1 14.4 0.8 1.8 3.2 4.5 26.7 38-48 .792 45-114 .395 22-66 .333
  Age: 22.2 (-0.4)   Similar: Kevin Zabo '18 (900), Terone Johnson '13 (900), Devin Brooks '15 (898), Melo Trimble '17 (894), Jamar Diggs '11 (892), More...
2020
SG
63 Arizona St. 10 
National Rank
6-3 167 Jr 28 60.4 97.8 28.9
90
31.4
48
46.8 50.2 2.5 11.6 18.8
461
15.1 0.5 2.8
229
2.4
409
4.7
371
26.3 70-95 .737 136-285 .477 22-76 .289
  Conference-only
Conference Rank
      18 66.5 97.1 28.2
6
30.3
5
47.7 50.9 1.8 11.7 16.5
22
16.2 0.7 2.9
5
2.5
20
4.6
16
29.0 45-64 .703 83-177 .469 15-44 .341
24
  vs. Tier A+B*       17 60.4 87.2 29.3 31.6 43.2 46.5 1.6 11.3 16.6 16.3 0.2 3.1 2.4 4.5 24.8 39-55 .709 78-177 .441 12-45 .267
  vs. Tier A*       12 61.9 80.1 28.4 30.7 37.7 41.0 2.3 12.9 18.1 15.1 0.0 2.9 2.7 4.4 26.7 25-39 .641 49-119 .412 4-27 .148
  Age: 21.2 (-0.4)   Similar: Jaylen Barford '17 (907), Ray Lee '14 (876), Javon Freeman-Liberty '21 (875), Tyrone Garland '13 (875), Nick Dixon '17 (875), More...
  Career     51   142-184 .772 220-488 .451 49-157 .312
  vs. Tier A+B*     34   93-122 .762 143-327 .437 36-118 .305
  vs. Tier A*     25   63-87 .724 94-233 .403 26-93 .280

 

Help me understand these numbers. He takes a high volume of shots but perhaps not the most efficient? But he dishes assists and draws fouls and hits FTs pretty well?

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In his almost 7 minute ASU highlight tape he shows good skill, but there were literally only 2 clips where he beat his man going left.  He is entirely right-handed and someone a decent defender who is locked in on the scouting report should be able to shut down.  Then again, he averaged almost 15 PPG against Pac 12 competition so what do I know?  Looks like a volume scorer though, so I'm not sure he's the best fit for DONU.    

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51 minutes ago, hskr4life said:


It’s July and we just picked up a guy who was getting some NBA looks and also dropped 43 in a power conference game last year.

 

It’s like a reverse Benedict Arnold.

 

Good. Because I just hung up my boxing gloves. Not sure I could go through that again.

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Help me understand these numbers. He takes a high volume of shots but perhaps not the most efficient? But he dishes assists and draws fouls and hits FTs pretty well?

Seems a little bit like Teddy Allen mk ii, no?


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1 hour ago, hskr4life said:


It’s July and we just picked up a guy who was getting some NBA looks and also dropped 43 in a power conference game last year.

 

It’s like a reverse Benedict Arnold.

Saw the box score from the game he dropped 43.  It appears he is the only one that night for ASU who figured how to put the ball in the basket.  Team scored 55 I think.

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