uneblinst's postgame chatter: vol 16; ed 10 - Mich St.

[49r]

10 minutes ago, Huskerpapa said:

The students will be on break, correct?

 

I think so, but this is not Nebraska.  I think students tend to show up for games during the holiday break in Kansas.

[hhcmatt]

10 minutes ago, Huskerpapa said:

The students will be on break, correct?

 

The game is sold out and the 2nd market tickets are going for $70+.  

[Norm Peterson]

7 minutes ago, hhcmatt said:

The game is sold out and the 2nd market tickets are going for $70+.  

 

That might have more to do with the proximity to Lincoln than students still being in town, though.

[HuskerBB]

16 hours ago, Bugeaters1 said:

By rule, they have to wait till the first break in action to review anything.

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I get that - but it is a bad rule at least as applied.   The goaltending call itself creates a dead ball "break in the action".   If you are going to review it then review it right then.  Otherwise it is going to effect other things that happen in the game in the meantime.  Certainly did last night.

 

If you have a questionable goaltending call with 3 minutes left in the game and the game plays out the rest of the way without a "breack in the action" and ends up being a 1 point game do you look at that call after the game and then reverse who wins?   I understand that is unlikely - but theoretically at least that would be a result of this "rule".

Edited December 11, 2023 by HuskerBB

[hhcmatt]

16 minutes ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

That might have more to do with the proximity to Lincoln than students still being in town, though.

 

oh most certainly in terms of Nebraska fans buying some of these tickets but also Kansas St fans caring about these tickets. 

[Dead Dog Alley]

23 minutes ago, HuskerBB said:

I get that - but it is a bad rule at least as applied.   The goaltending call itself creates a dead ball "break in the action".   If you are going to review it then review it right then.  Otherwise it is going to effect other things that happen in the game in the meantime.  Certainly did last night.

 

If you have a questionable goaltending call with 3 minutes left in the game and the game plays out the rest of the way without a "breack in the action" and ends up being a 1 point game do you look at that call after the game and then reverse who wins?   I understand that is unlikely - but theoretically at least that would be a result of this "rule".

 

It's especially terrible when a block results in an offensive rebound but a goal tend is called, and then overruled.  It negates the offensive rebound.

 

Plus, obvious goal tends that are missed aren't reviewable.

Edited December 11, 2023 by Dead Dog Alley

[Norm Peterson]

27 minutes ago, HuskerBB said:

I get that - but it is a bad rule at least as applied.   The goaltending call itself creates a dead ball "break in the action".   If you are going to review it then review it right then.  Otherwise it is going to effect other things that happen in the game in the meantime.  Certainly did last night.

 

If you have a questionable goaltending call with 3 minutes left in the game and the game plays out the rest of the way without a "breack in the action" and ends up being a 1 point game do you look at that call after the game and then reverse who wins?   I understand that is unlikely - but theoretically at least that would be a result of this "rule".

 

I agree.

 

And I was at the game and didn't know until today that they overturned the goaltending call.

 

If they announced it, I didn't hear it.

[Bugeaters1]

34 minutes ago, HuskerBB said:

I get that - but it is a bad rule at least as applied.   The goaltending call itself creates a dead ball "break in the action".   If you are going to review it then review it right then.  Otherwise it is going to effect other things that happen in the game in the meantime.  Certainly did last night.

 

If you have a questionable goaltending call with 3 minutes left in the game and the game plays out the rest of the way without a "breack in the action" and ends up being a 1 point game do you look at that call after the game and then reverse who wins?   I understand that is unlikely - but theoretically at least that would be a result of this "rule".

Isn't the rule that in the last 2 minutes questionable calls can be be reviewed at the moment it happens.

[AuroranHusker]

19 minutes ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

I agree.

 

And I was at the game and didn't know until today that they overturned the goaltending call.

 

If they announced it, I didn't hear it.

 

No, they didn't announce it. I just happened to notice that the score changed from 58-55 to 56-55. Fortunately Brice swished his FTs to put it back to 58-55 in a flash. Otherwise that call is even more egregious to the game action. It essentially was negated by Brice making his front end of the 1-and-1 & then canning the 2nd as well. Glad it didn't cost NU the game.

 

 

[HuscurAdam]

20 minutes ago, Norm Peterson said:

I agree.

 

And I was at the game and didn't know until today that they overturned the goaltending call.

 

If they announced it, I didn't hear it.

 

They did not announce it. I only knew at the time because my buddy said they didn't give us the point for CJ's FTs, then I checked Twitter to find out the goaltending call was reversed during the media timeout. 

[Huskerpapa]

37 minutes ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

I agree.

 

And I was at the game and didn't know until today that they overturned the goaltending call.

 

If they announced it, I didn't hear it.

They did???  I must have just arrived home from the moon or something. 

[thrasher31]

52 minutes ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

I agree.

 

And I was at the game and didn't know until today that they overturned the goaltending call.

 

If they announced it, I didn't hear it.

I thought I was having a psychosis trip. "wait, weren't we up 3 points? Is this how I lose my mind? This is it huh?"

 

I also did not hear shit pertaining to it. 

[hhcmatt]

To clarify if it's not clear: It wasn't publicly announced that the goaltending call was overturned.

[thrasher31]

All in all gritty performance. MSU punched back a few times and shot like their season depended on it, which it kinda did. 

 

-i know Brice gets a lot of flak, but I do appreciate the calmness he approaches the game with. The dho between him and mast that was essentially the go ahead bucket was a great read and react by those two. Defensively I thought last night was his best performance. Needs to be locked in on that end, because the tools are there.

-great all around game by mast. He needed a game like that under his belt in the big ten to gain confidence. 

-lawrence is going to be up and down most of the year with him taking over full time PG duties. Ideally get the down parts out of the way now so he's peaking by February/March. He needs a game where he goes for 15 plus, just for self confidence. Still turnover prone at times, but he makes plays like the look ahead to CJ under the bucket with his man sealed. He's growing in this role.

-sam hoiberg was instrumental. I liked the nod of him/Brice as backup ball handler over boogie because of MSUs guards. All the guards are very quick and straight line drivers. Not a great matchup for boogie, even if he was playing well. 

-didn't see anything about Gary getting hurt. Ice his shoulder over the week if it's bothering him so he's good by KSU, because he'll have his hands full with their front court

 

KSU is very hard to get a read on in my opinion. Went to OT vs a 5-5 North Alabama team, but followed it up with two wins vs LSU and Nova. They've played in 4 OT games to start the year, 2 HM and 2 mid major. KSU will probably be favored, and that's who I think I'd pick. Will be interesting though

Edited December 11, 2023 by thrasher31

[Art Vandalay]

42 minutes ago, thrasher31 said:

All in all gritty performance. MSU punched back a few times and shot like their season depended on it, which it kinda did. 

 

-i know Brice gets a lot of flak, but I do appreciate the calmness he approaches the game with. The dho between him and mast that was essentially the go ahead bucket was a great read and react by those two. Defensively I thought last night was his best performance. Needs to be locked in on that end, because the tools are there.

-great all around game by mast. He needed a game like that under his belt in the big ten to gain confidence. 

-lawrence is going to be up and down most of the year with him taking over full time PG duties. Ideally get the down parts out of the way now so he's peaking by February/March. He needs a game where he goes for 15 plus, just for self confidence. Still turnover prone at times, but he makes plays like the look ahead to CJ under the bucket with his man sealed. He's growing in this role.

-sam hoiberg was instrumental. I liked the nod of him/Brice as backup ball handler over boogie because of MSUs guards. All the guards are very quick and straight line drivers. Not a great matchup for boogie, even if he was playing well. 

-didn't see anything about Gary getting hurt. Ice his shoulder over the week if it's bothering him so he's good by KSU, because he'll have his hands full with their front court

 

KSU is very hard to get a read on in my opinion. Went to OT vs a 5-5 North Alabama team, but followed it up with two wins vs LSU and Nova. They've played in 4 OT games to start the year, 2 HM and 2 mid major. KSU will probably be favored, and that's who I think I'd pick. Will be interesting though

I don’t get the criticism Brice gets, must be just because he doesn’t show a lot of emotion.

Believe it was Gary’s good shoulder that got hurt, hopefully nothing serious but he did seem to be in some pain on the sideline but came back in

[throwback]

13 hours ago, Huskerpapa said:

 

 

 

I like it, but Meyers Leonard is still the melting-down-while-sitting-on-the-bench-in-Lincoln GOAT.

Edited December 12, 2023 by throwback

[Nighthawk]

Only reason I knew about them taking away the two points was because the guys behind me checked their Twitter right before it happened on the score board. Someone posted about it shorty before the points vanished. 

[Swan88]

15 hours ago, thrasher31 said:

-didn't see anything about Gary getting hurt. Ice his shoulder over the week if it's bothering him so he's good by KSU

Yeah.  Hope the week-to-heal helps.  And that it's not the beginning of a continual problem.

Juwan Gary made a huge contribution in the Michigan St. win.

The improvement in his three point shot at Nebraska is remarkable, according to ESPN:

• 34.6% in 2023-2024;
• 26.3 in 2022-2023;
• 22.0% in 2021-2022; and
• 11.1% in 2020-2021.

His improvements at the line are similar:

• 70.0% in 2023-2024;
• 62.1% in 2022-2023;
• 61.1% in 2021-2022; and
• 52.9% in 2020-2021.

The same is true for rebounds:

• 5.1/game in 2023-2024;
• 6.5/game in 2022-2023;
• 3.4/game in 2021-2022; and
• 2.8/game in 2020-2021.

And look at these assist stats:

• 1.1/game in 2023-2024;
• 0.8game in 2022-2023;
• 0.3/game in 2021-2022; and
• 0.2/game in 2020-2021.

It appears that a healthy Juwan Gary is one of those essential elements to a successful 2023-2024 Husker season.

[hhcmatt]

I'm rewatching this Michigan St game for the 14 minutes were JL and Boogie aren't on the court to see who the point guard is and it's no one.  JL had some good plays/assists in this one and should continue to play big minutes but you could make the argument we won this one in spite of him.

 

 

[hhcmatt]

17 hours ago, hhcmatt said:

To clarify if it's not clear: It wasn't publicly announced that the goaltending call was overturned.

 

Re-watching and Bardo and Provus were all over this when it happened.  It was close but it clearly was a block and it's something that is reviewable....but only during a media timeout...similar to reviewing whether or not a shot was a 2/3.  One thing to note about this is that it's a new rule this season.

 

At the end of the day, it was the Nebraska PA who dropped the ball here and I don't know if it was because they missed it or if we have such a circus going on they couldn't get it in.

[hugh42]

Very good win against a talented team with solid contributions from most who played. Glad that Diop and Rice played meaningful minutes and I hope that HCFH continues to find ways to get them on the court.

 

I am a little surprised that there hasn't been more made of Izzo's decision to not try to extend the game with a 7 point deficit with just over 20 seconds on the clock. I was stunned he did this as there was plenty of time to try for a steal and at a minimum put us at the line at least one more time if they didn't force a turnover. Was rather strange IMO.

[Huskerpapa]

2 hours ago, hugh42 said:

I am a little surprised that there hasn't been more made of Izzo's decision to not try to extend the game with a 7 point deficit with just over 20 seconds on the clock. I was stunned he did this as there was plenty of time to try for a steal and at a minimum put us at the line at least one more time if they didn't force a turnover. Was rather strange IMO.

We thought the same thing.  My guess was that he was massively disappointed at that point; and that disappointment was articulated in his post-game presser.

[hhcmatt]

5 hours ago, hhcmatt said:

 

Re-watching and Bardo and Provus were all over this when it happened.  It was close but it clearly was a block and it's something that is reviewable....but only during a media timeout...similar to reviewing whether or not a shot was a 2/3.  One thing to note about this is that it's a new rule this season.

 

At the end of the day, it was the Nebraska PA who dropped the ball here and I don't know if it was because they missed it or if we have such a circus going on they couldn't get it in.

 

Listening to Kent and Jake and they had no idea and eventually Jake had to guess about the points because he'd seen them looking at the replay.  

[brfrad]

21 minutes ago, hhcmatt said:

 

Listening to Kent and Jake and they had no idea and eventually Jake had to guess about the points because he'd seen them looking at the replay.  

Kent was yelling at the scoreboard operator for not giving us the 2 free throws.

[Ron Mexico]

6 hours ago, hhcmatt said:

 

Re-watching and Bardo and Provus were all over this when it happened.  It was close but it clearly was a block and it's something that is reviewable....but only during a media timeout...similar to reviewing whether or not a shot was a 2/3.  One thing to note about this is that it's a new rule this season.

 

I realize that it's rule however unlike reviewing the difference between a 2/3, which doesn't stop the flow of play, the change of goal tending call has a continuation of play aspect, especially if there is an offensive rebound. To me it would be similar to calling a penalty on a team in the NFL after they've already completed a subsequent play. This is not a good rule and I'm surprised this change was added as there can be some ambiguity between goal tend and no goal tend even on replay.