Forecasting 2023-24 lineup

[Huskerpapa]

1 hour ago, millerhusker said:

FWIW, Washut says Lloyd is towards the end of the bench rotation as of now. 

I have a lot of respect for Robin, but I respectfully question his observation.

[HB]

1 hour ago, Huskerpapa said:

I have a lot of respect for Robin, but I respectfully question his observation.

A lot more than Robin are saying that….

[MichHusker]

11 minutes ago, HB said:

A lot more than Robin are saying that….

When I went to the coaches clinic a few months back I noticed a white board that kept score for various individual shooting drills for each member of the team. Lloyd's score was like the 2nd or 3rd lowest including walkons. On the other end, CJ had the 2nd highest

[k3s3i]

18 minutes ago, MichHusker said:

When I went to the coaches clinic a few months back I noticed a white board that kept score for various individual shooting drills for each member of the team. Lloyd's score was like the 2nd or 3rd lowest including walkons. On the other end, CJ had the 2nd highest

i’m not excepting lloyd to have a huge role this year but shooting usually isn’t jumbo playmakers strong suits 

[MichHusker]

5 hours ago, k3s3i said:

i’m not excepting lloyd to have a huge role this year but shooting usually isn’t jumbo playmakers strong suits 

No but you'd hope he wouldn't be the worst scholarship shooter on the team. It could have been a weeks worth of data and just a bad week but i just thought it was interesting 

[49r]

9 hours ago, MichHusker said:

the worst scholarship shooter on the team

 

Well, I mean, technically somebody's gotta be, right?

[hhcmatt]

A lot of people thought Lawrence looked pretty good his first year but he didn't start to get consistent playing time until Bando (and Gary) were lost for the season.  Even though he's got the redshirt, Lloyd is likely to follow the same path of inconsistent playing time as a young guy on a veteran squad and just needs to be ready when opportunities present themselves. 

 

With only 11 scholarships and us tending to lose 2-3 guys a year I'm a lot more concerned about having enough guys than I am as to whether or not guys won't get to play.

[NUdiehard]

1 hour ago, hhcmatt said:

A lot of people thought Lawrence looked pretty good his first year but he didn't start to get consistent playing time until Bando (and Gary) were lost for the season.  Even though he's got the redshirt, Lloyd is likely to follow the same path of inconsistent playing time as a young guy on a veteran squad and just needs to be ready when opportunities present themselves. 

 

With only 11 scholarships and us tending to lose 2-3 guys a year I'm a lot more concerned about having enough guys than I am as to whether or not guys won't get to play.

 

We only have 11 scholarship players, but we have 2 quality walkons who are point guards.

 

Along with everyone else, I am hoping Ramel will be the player we all hope/expect him to be.  In particular, I am hoping he can be a tall (6'6") PG because that would open up opportunities to play Lawrence and Keisei together at the SG/wing.  But, I was not and am not planning on it for this season. The main reason for my doubt is simply from listening to Fred whenever he talks about the roster.  He rarely mentions Ramel and when he does it usually only is only about him "gaining strength."  But even more specific, in his last interview a couple of months ago, Fred was specifically asked about the PG position and he listed about 3 players, which included Sam Hoiberg, and did not include Lloyd.  That told me all I needed to know as to the PG position coming into this season. 

 

As alluded to above, the problem with our guard situation is that we have too many quality "small" guards.  Lawrence and Keisei are two of our best players.  But neither are true PGs, and we cannot play both of them along with Ulis who is only 6'3" because of defensive limitations.  If Ulis is our starting PG, then most likely Lawrence will be coming off the bench.  And if Sam Hoiberg is the backup PG, this makes us even smaller, and does not alleviate the problem of playing Lawrence and Keisei together.  My guess is that Lawrence the backup PG, a role he can perform, but is not really his strength. 

 

A lot can change between now and the start of the season, but my current projected starting lineup:

 

PG - Ulis

SG - Keisei

SF - Williams

PF - Gary

C - Mast

 

Gary will have to battle Allick for that starting PF position, and really could go either way.  Wilcher will backup Williams, and Lawrence will backup Ulis and Keisei. 

 

Edited July 20, 2023 by NUdiehard

[hskr4life]

On 7/19/2023 at 7:53 AM, 49r said:

 

Well, I mean, technically somebody's gotta be, right?

Nebraska has an open scholie and a need for worst scholie shooter during the year.  I have 4 years of eligibility left.

 

Sound like a plan Fred?  Let’s shake on it and make it happen!

[Norm Peterson]

Right now, I think PG is the most up-in-the-air spot in the starting lineup. The most uncertainty. Seems like it could go a lot of different ways.

 

Specifically, PG options:

 

Ulis -- former starting PG at Iowa, 3 seasons of college ball

Lawrence -- has mentioned having more of an on-ball role this season

Lloyd -- Hoiberg praised his playmaking ability in recent presser, says he'll play a lot

Jacobsen -- Walk-on; Hoiberg praised his toughness, understanding of what they're trying to do, says he's definitely worked his way into the rotation

 

If these guys were racehorses and this was the Kentucky Derby and you were handicapping the race, what odds would you give to each to be the starter at point for us this coming season?

 

And they're off ...

 

[Vinny]

While I don’t think Ulis transferred to sit, I think Lawrence will force him to eventually. His ceiling just seems so much higher.
 

I see our starting lineup eventually settling into Mast, Gary, Williams, Tominaga and Lawrence.

 

First in for Mast is Allick, first in for Gary, Williams or Tominaga is Wilcher, first in for Lawrence will be whoever wins a battle between Ulis and Lloyd.

 

If Rice or Diop can end up pushing Wilcher for playing time at any of those spots, that would be super.

[hhcmatt]

Ullis has more experience playing PG at the college level than JL, RL, and CJ combined. That matters. He's starting PG for at least the first half of the season of not the whole in my guestimation. 

 

JL, RL, and CJ are capable of playing off the ball for sure though.

[thrasher31]

26 minutes ago, hhcmatt said:

Ullis has more experience playing PG at the college level than JL, RL, and CJ combined. That matters. He's starting PG for at least the first half of the season of not the whole in my guestimation. 

 

JL, RL, and CJ are capable of playing off the ball for sure though.

The experience of playing PG not just at the college level, but big ten level, matters a ton. Lawrence will definitely get reps on the ball as it's kinda necessary, but ulis should and will start

[NUdiehard]

5 hours ago, Norm Peterson said:

Right now, I think PG is the most up-in-the-air spot in the starting lineup. The most uncertainty. Seems like it could go a lot of different ways.

 

Specifically, PG options:

 

Ulis -- former starting PG at Iowa, 3 seasons of college ball

Lawrence -- has mentioned having more of an on-ball role this season

Lloyd -- Hoiberg praised his playmaking ability in recent presser, says he'll play a lot

Jacobsen -- Walk-on; Hoiberg praised his toughness, understanding of what they're trying to do, says he's definitely worked his way into the rotation

 

If these guys were racehorses and this was the Kentucky Derby and you were handicapping the race, what odds would you give to each to be the starter at point for us this coming season?

 

And they're off ...

 

 

As of right now, just listening to Fred and reading the tea leaves:

 

1. Ulis

2. Lawrence

3.  Sam H

4.  Cale

5.  Ramel (Fred said he will play a lot "in Spain".  

 

Hope this changes and Ramel moves up to 2 or 3 by end of season, but not really expecting it at this point.

Edited July 26, 2023 by NUdiehard

[HB]

43 minutes ago, NUdiehard said:

 

As of right now, just listening to Fred and reading the tea leaves:

 

1. Ulis

2. Lawrence

3.  Sam H

4.  Cale

5.  Ramel (Fred said he will play a lot "in Spain".  

 

Hope this changes and Ramel moves up to 2 or 3 by end of season, but not really expecting it at this point.

Are you just talking about Spain?   If so, Sam is out with a knee.  If for thie season, you can’t be serious, in the words of John McEnroe.  #3 is way off, Sam has zero chance if starting unless guys go down.  Fred doesn’t want to go that small.  And that is sourced.  No Mast?   Hmmmm.  4 and 5 ain’t happening either 
 

[NUdiehard]

6 minutes ago, HB said:

Are you just talking about Spain?   If so, Sam is out with a knee.  If for thie season, you can’t be serious, in the words of John McEnroe.  #3 is way off, Sam has zero chance if starting unless guys go down.  Fred doesn’t want to go that small.  And that is sourced.  No Mast?   Hmmmm.  4 and 5 ain’t happening either 
 

Ummm, I was responding to Norm who asked us to project the point guard position for the season. 
But you may be right, maybe Fred chooses to start Mast at PG, might be worth a shot. 

[HB]

8 hours ago, NUdiehard said:

Ummm, I was responding to Norm who asked us to project the point guard position for the season. 
But you may be right, maybe Fred chooses to start Mast at PG, might be worth a shot. 

Fair enough, didn't realize it was limited to point guard.  Although now that I think about Mast.... 

[hhcmatt]

If you catch him in this video, Blaise Keita has the gait of Frakenstein.  Seems problematic for the upcoming season.

 

 

[Norm Peterson]

1 hour ago, hhcmatt said:

If you catch him in this video, Blaise Keita has the gait of Frakenstein.  Seems problematic for the upcoming season.

 

 

 

I think he's still recovering from off-season ankle surgery. Don't know if that's the problem but it sure would explain what you see and also be something potentially temporary that he might recover from.

[49r]

2 hours ago, hhcmatt said:

If you catch him in this video, Blaise Keita has the gait of Frakenstein.  Seems problematic for the upcoming season.

 

 

 

Mayor's like "please..."

[hhcmatt]

50 minutes ago, 49r said:

 

Mayor's like "please..."

 

[thrasher31]

6 hours ago, hhcmatt said:

If you catch him in this video, Blaise Keita has the gait of Frakenstein.  Seems problematic for the upcoming season.

 

 

Robin mentioned on the husker online podcast yesterday that theres "concerns" around how keita is recovering. Makes the allick addition important, and matar may have a chance for minutes. 

[Huskerpapa]

21 minutes ago, thrasher31 said:

Robin mentioned on the husker online podcast yesterday that theres "concerns" around how keita is recovering. Makes the allick addition important, and matar may have a chance for minutes. 

I've been worrying about his recovery since he was first injured while playing juco.  He has never appeared to be the same after suffering that original injury.  

 

[atskooc]

10 hours ago, hhcmatt said:

If you catch him in this video, Blaise Keita has the gait of Frakenstein.  Seems problematic for the upcoming season.

 

 

His knees point inward.

 

I don't like that for his health.

[millerhusker]

I'm not sure what the starting lineup will be. What will be interesting to me is seeing who will be on the court to finish games, and how that lineup evolves as the season goes on. 

 

G - Jarron Coleman  6-5  Sr.   We needed a ball handler, especially for late game situations. He's got the ball on a string, as they say. 

G - Keisei Tominaga  6-2  Sr.  

G - Jamarques Lawrence  6-3  Soph.   I trust him with the ball in his hands. His FT shooting last year doesn't concern me. He has flawless shooting form and he'll get it figured out.  The value of a great on-ball isolation perimeter defender goes up late in the game, and he has the potential to be Tai Webster-esque in this area. He'll guard the other team's best guard. 

G - Brice Williams  6-7  Jr.

F - Rienk Mast  6-10  Jr.

 

If we need some more help securing rebounds against certain teams, I could see Allick in there alongside Mast. Love Juwan, but he's a bit erratic with the ball in his hands and a well below average free throw shooter. He more than makes up for that with his play throughout the game, but it can hurt ya in late game situations. Special mention to Sam Hoiberg. His late-game free throw shooting and defense helped us seal multiple wins last year. Kid has some stones.