uneblinstu’s postgame chatter: vol 14; ed 23 - vs. Northwsstern

[hskr4life]

5 minutes ago, RedEyedFanatic said:

Attendance was still good at the beginning of the season, good enough the ad thought they could get away with raising prices. But no one is going anymore. I won't even take time away from my kids to watch the games on TV at this point. If we just ride it out until the buyout is lower, there won't be anyone left to come to games for a new coach, and it just gets that much harder for a new staff to take off.

That’s one thing not being talked about as much as it probably should be.  Ticket sales will be bad bad bad next year.  Don’t know how much that’ll affect the decision, but sales numbers have to be fairly profitable.

[cornfed24-7]

13 minutes ago, RedEyedFanatic said:

Attendance was still good at the beginning of the season, good enough the ad thought they could get away with raising prices. But no one is going anymore. I won't even take time away from my kids to watch the games on TV at this point. If we just ride it out until the buyout is lower, there won't be anyone left to come to games for a new coach, and it just gets that much harder for a new staff to take off.

I totally spaced off there was a game today. I realized when I came on here and saw the after game thread. Thats nuts. I am not your average. I don't think many of the people who visit this forum are. If we're choosing not to watch and/or spacing off there is even a game its bad. Really bad. 

Edited February 6, 2022 by cornfed24-7

[Ron Mexico]

10 minutes ago, RedEyedFanatic said:

Attendance was still good at the beginning of the season, good enough the ad thought they could get away with raising prices. But no one is going anymore. I won't even take time away from my kids to watch the games on TV at this point. If we just ride it out until the buyout is lower, there won't be anyone left to come to games for a new coach, and it just gets that much harder for a new staff to take off.

This the first time I've been to a game since before Christmas. There were enough fans there today to fill up the lower bowl 100's level and all of the 200/300 level would be completely empty. I haven't seen it this bad in a very long time and it is only going to be worse. This was an early start weekend game. I can't image what a weekday 8pm game is like. We have 3 more home games on the schedule. This Wed at 8pm with the following 2 being on Fridays with an 8pm start.

[HuskerFever]

25 minutes ago, RedEyedFanatic said:

Attendance was still good at the beginning of the season, good enough the ad thought they could get away with raising prices. But no one is going anymore. I won't even take time away from my kids to watch the games on TV at this point. If we just ride it out until the buyout is lower, there won't be anyone left to come to games for a new coach, and it just gets that much harder for a new staff to take off.

 

This is a very good point that was also in my head, but didn't put on "paper". Yes, you do have to consider what the $M impact is on future sales. But it's still going to be hard to justify that against $18.5M.

[Faux Mike Peltz]

I was at the game today. Shatel wrote that an amazing crowd of 15k showed up. Lol. It was barely 8k, possibly less. 

[OmahaHusker]

40 minutes ago, hskr4life said:

That’s one thing not being talked about as much as it probably should be.  Ticket sales will be bad bad bad next year.  Don’t know how much that’ll affect the decision, but sales numbers have to be fairly profitable.

He has to make staff changes at the very least. You can’t garner any offseason momentum otherwise. Unless you snag the absolute best transfers in available. Even then I wouldn’t be completely sold. 

[cornfed24-7]

19 minutes ago, HuskerFever said:

 

This is a very good point that was also in my head, but didn't put on "paper". Yes, you do have to consider what the $M impact is on future sales. But it's still going to be hard to justify that against $18.5M.

Really its not hard at all. Yes if he is fired this year the number is 18.5M. But thats a sunk cost. That's not what we need to measure. 

 

Let's set aside the negotiated contract restructuring that may or may not happen and deal with "knowns".

 

For this purpose what needs to be measured is 3.5M. If Hoiberg stays and is fired next year at a buyout of 15M the University "saves" 3.5M. Is the 3.5M that is "saved" offset by the amount of lost revenue in ticket sales long term damage to the program. I would argue yes which is why I think Trevs hand may be forced if a renegotiated contract can't be reached.

[HuskerFever]

10 minutes ago, cornfed24-7 said:

Really its not hard at all. Yes if he is fired this year the number is 18.5M. But thats a sunk cost. That's not what we need to measure. 

 

Let's set aside the negotiated contract restructuring that may or may not happen and deal with "knowns".

 

For this purpose what needs to be measured is 3.5M. If Hoiberg stays and is fired next year at a buyout of 15M the University "saves" 3.5M. Is the 3.5M that is "saved" offset by the amount of lost revenue in ticket sales long term damage to the program. I would argue yes which is why I think Trevs hand may be forced if a renegotiated contract can't be reached.

 

That's not entirely true, but in the right direction. You're also paying for multiple coaches and assistant coaches during that same time.

 

So a $3.5M "saved" also needs to accpunt for the $2M (making that up) figure for the new coach.

 

I'm no expert on our athletic budget situation, so I can't comment on that. But I'm certainly skeptical about it (and have been vocal about it even when he was here) when Moos went around spending our budget on facilities, coaches, etc.

[HB]

2 hours ago, Huskerpapa said:

Hard to fix individuals who appear to lack care, heart, hustle and/or effort.  

Your shot may or may not go in a specific play, but you still need to defend.  An opponent may beat you on a dribble, but you still need to pick up someone else and box him out for the rebound.  Your hamstring may be a bit tight, but if you cannot hustle then you shouldn't be on the court. 

An interesting observation.  Northwestern was a .500 club; but during a second half time out call, their players ran to their huddle and was seated and were being talked to BEFORE all of our walking players made it to the huddle.  Just one example of what makes a losing program LOSERS. 

Watch our warm ups like I try to do before every game.  Quite honestly, I have no clue why thy are out there.   They jack around throwing up shots that they would never shoot in a game situation.  

I am so disappointed with this program right now.  Unbelievable!!

I guess my angst shouldn't be with the coaching staff...goodness, I am sure they are going over and beyond with their collective efforts. I (we) should be angry with the AD, the chancellor, the system president and the board of regents for creating this mess.

The current AD did not in way create this mess (the last 2 did).  But he will have the fortitude to deal with it.  

[HB]

1 hour ago, HuskerFever said:

 

You could argue that this program, who literally is at it's rock bottom, and isn't trying to reclaim some level of achievement like the football program, can take a backseat and is better off just sitting out until the buyout goes down.

 

If his buyout was $5M he would've been fired a few games ago (of not, after this game). But we shot our shot and we missed bad.

 

I'm on the state of apathy just getting comfortable with the fact we're likely dealing with this mess for a couple more seasons until it's palatable.

 

You could go ahead and fire him and hire a new coach, but it's like we're spending $8M/year on a $2M coach and just doesn't make sense from a financial perspective. Just my opinion but who knows what this administration will do. If it was Moos still, he'd probably get a contract extension.

The buyout will not keep Trev from doing what needs to happen.   

[cornfed24-7]

24 minutes ago, HuskerFever said:

 

That's not entirely true, but in the right direction. You're also paying for multiple coaches and assistant coaches during that same time.

 

So a $3.5M "saved" also needs to accpunt for the $2M (making that up) figure for the new coach.

 

I'm no expert on our athletic budget situation, so I can't comment on that. But I'm certainly skeptical about it (and have been vocal about it even when he was here) when Moos went around spending our budget on facilities, coaches, etc.

Its rudimentary for sure. I chuckle at the "saved" because how is it saved when its salary being paid to him, but I digress. Point is the number isn't actually 18.5M. Much less.

 

And heck the athletic dept may be in a spot here they just need to eat the loss right now for whatever reason. Its plausible.

 

I just read the Shatel article and I think Its an actual possibility Trev walks into Hoibergs office at the end of season and is like "Fred! My friend! I got a deal for you. 10M and your done."

Hoiberg, "Oh thank God Trev. Deal."

It could happen

Edited February 6, 2022 by cornfed24-7

[HB]

48 minutes ago, Faux Mike Peltz said:

I was at the game today. Shatel wrote that an amazing crowd of 15k showed up. Lol. It was barely 8k, possibly less. 

Less.  And it was DEAD from the get go

[HB]

1 minute ago, cornfed24-7 said:

Its rudimentary for sure. I chuckle at the "saved" because how is it saved when its salary being paid to him, but I digress. Point is the number isn't actually 18.5M. Much less.

 

And heck the athletic dept may be in a spot here they just need to eat the loss right now for whatever reason. Its plausible.

 

I just read the Shatel article and I think Its an actually a possibility Trev walks into Hoibergs office at the end of season and is like "Fred! My friend! I got a deal for you. 10M and your done."

Hoiberg, "Oh thank God Trev. Deal."

It could happen

That walk into the office will happen sooner than that. 

[Silverbacked1]

Okay I am really going to stir the pot…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I liked the special Uniforms today.

[AuroranHusker]

7 hours ago, uneblinstu said:

It’s the under 4 timeout. I’m going home. In a season full of disappointment, disheartening results, baffling play and embarrassing effort, this one may just take the cake. 

 

And, once you left, Nebraska outscored Northwestern 11-zip to end it to keep NW from having their largest road win in the league in the last 12 years. It was 25, and somehow Nebraska got it to a 24-point defeat. Oh me, oh my ! 

[Vinny]

1 hour ago, cornfed24-7 said:

I totally spaced off there was a game today. I realized when I came on here and saw the after game thread. Thats nuts. I am not your average. I don't think many of the people who visit this forum are. If we're choosing not to watch and/or spacing off there is even a game its bad. Really bad. 

I haven’t watched a game in 2022. I keep coming here for news because I live out of state, and because I value the opinions of most of the posters. But I just can’t watch this. Whenever we play I go do something that brings me joy for a couple hours instead of watching, then check to see how bad it was later. It sucks to not care, and we’ve been through a lot of losing seasons, but this team has lost me. Hoping for better days sooner than later.

[Chuck Taylor]

Just now, Vinny said:

I haven’t watched a game in 2022. I keep coming here for news because I live out of state, and because I value the opinions of most of the posters. But I just can’t watch this. Whenever we play I go do something that brings me joy for a couple hours instead of watching, then check to see how bad it was later. It sucks to not care, and we’ve been through a lot of losing seasons, but this team has lost me. Hoping for better days sooner than later.

Wow, you weren't fooled like the rest of us into thinking this year was different because we had so much "talent"?

[Bugeaters1]

1 minute ago, Vinny said:

I haven’t watched a game in 2022. I keep coming here for news because I live out of state, and because I value the opinions of most of the posters. But I just can’t watch this. Whenever we play I go do something that brings me joy for a couple hours instead of watching, then check to see how bad it was later. It sucks to not care, and we’ve been through a lot of losing seasons, but this team has lost me. Hoping for better days sooner than later.

Like me and football.

 

[AuroranHusker]

7 hours ago, thrasher31 said:

That Was the worst I've seen from them this year. That's a very low bar. 

 

The only one who remotely looked to be playing at a high level -- relative to their body of work -- was Eduardo Andre as far as effort and want-to. Oh, and Keon Edwards finally made a three-pointer (as he had previously been 0-for-13) while Jackson Cronin did get a "score" via basket (i.e. net) interference then later proceeded to brick two FTs at the end. Man, that sucked, all of it. My saving grace is that I missed it entirely 'live,' and, yet, the masochist that I am... I purposely watched it late in the day... without knowing what happened, obviously. Sheesh. Fred's days are numbered.

 

 

[BannedAccount]

6 hours ago, HuskerFever said:

 

From the 2023-2024 or the 2024-2025 season?

If they make the right hire it should be next year

[BannedAccount]

3 hours ago, Ron Mexico said:

Both Trey and Derrick are leaning towards staying for now. That would be huge.

Huge for what?

[BannedAccount]

15 minutes ago, Silverbacked1 said:

Okay I am really going to stir the pot…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I liked the special Uniforms today.

Dont read the comments on fb. Lots of racist folks on there...

[Vinny]

2 hours ago, Chuck Taylor said:

Wow, you weren't fooled like the rest of us into thinking this year was different because we had so much "talent"?

Oh, I was. But after that the first Big Ten games followed by Auburn and K State, I had lost even the silver linings. Couldn’t tune in anymore.

[hhcmatt]

Notes and quotes

 

Nebraska Post-Game Notes 

 

CJ Wilcher led Nebraska with 15 points on 6-of-10 shooting, including 3-of-6 from 3-point range. Wilcher’s 15 points were his most in a Big Ten Conference game and were just two shy of his career high (17 vs. Auburn).  

Wilcher now has nine double-figure games this season and it marked the 15th double-figure effort from a Husker reserve this season.  

Bryce McGowens added 10 points, his 18th game in double figures this season. McGowens moved past Jerry Fort (376, 1972-73) for third place on NU’s all-time freshmen scoring list. He now has 385 points on the season and is 15 points away from being the third Husker freshman with 400 points in a season.  

Eduardo Andre matched his career high with two blocks, the fourth time in his career he has blocked two shots in a game. 

Alonzo Verge Jr. dished out a team-high six assists, his highest total since Jan. 11 

Keon Edwards made the first 3-pointer of his Husker career. 

Jackson Cronin scored the first two points as a Husker in his ninth career game. 

Nebraska had 30 bench points in the game, the Huskers’ highest bench total in Big Ten play this season. Overall, Nebraska’s bench has scored 30 or more points six times this season, and the Huskers bench has totaled 56 points over the past two games. 

Northwestern was 13-of-31 from the 3-point line after Nebraska had held its previous two opponents to just 5-of-34 from beyond the arc. 

 

Nebraska Coach Fred Hoiberg

On what the difference was today

“Yeah, I thought we really turned a corner every night coming out and playing with great energy and intensity. We played with unbelievable urgency and energy and that’s what gave us a chance to win those games. I think there was a 11 early transition points off of our turnovers, and we were still in it even though we weren’t playing great. The overall urgency early in that game was so disappointing to me in our building in an afternoon game on a reunion weekend. You want to give your alumni something to cheer for and be proud about. We were awful in that area.”

 

On the amount of three-pointers they hit

“We knew this was a much better team than what their record had indicated. They played a ton of close games and we knew this team posed a lot of different challenges because of a spread five. The rotation and getting off the double-team wasn’t there. We work on those things every day. We tried everything to slow them down and those 10 threes in the first half did us in.”

 

On if you think the players weren’t prepared to fight

“No I did not sense it. We’ve been playing with great effort. We’ve been playing with great intensity. We’ve obviously not gotten any wins, but I thought they were coming just because of the way we had been playing. I did not anticipate us coming out like that. We came in this morning, and I thought we were sharp and thought it would carry over. Obviously, it didn’t."  

 

On how you put something like this behind you

“We are going to watch it. You have to especially early to see both ends. We are going to watch and learn from it. You have to and then we will get out there and compete and put it behind us and try and go out there and get a win on Wednesday night.”

 

Nebraska Guard C.J. Wilcher

On the difference between today and the previous four games:

“I think it was our intensity. We competed in those games before today. We started the game off hot every game. Of course, we died down a little bit but the new found a way to pick it back up. I think that was what was missing today. Just that fire just that edge that we have used to compete in those games before.”

 

On where the intensity lacked:

“I think on both ends of the floor. I think we just did not really execute the offense. On defense I saw it happen you guys saw what happened. We just gave up a lot of buckets we were not getting to the 50/50 balls or the rebounds early on and I think those are the plays that we needed.”

 

On the difference between putting up a fight in games and not being competitive:

“I think the hardest thing in life is being consistent. That is what we have been trying to find just consistency in some area. We have been finding some consistency and starting games off hot and keeping energy and then guys coming in and bringing energy. We find a little bit of consistency in that. But I think we today we just did not come to play and that is sad to say. That is an issue with the players and we did not come ready to play, and Northwestern took advantage of it.”

 

Northwestern Coach Chris Collins

Opening Statement

“Needless to say, this was a big win for us today. I thought that coming into the game, both teams had been playing really well, especially Nebraska – once they got Trey back these last four games, they easily could’ve won their last four games. We knew we were going to face a hungry team coming into today. We had just come off a win ourselves after some real tough losses, so it was an important game for our guys. I thought they showed it with their energy. Our backcourt was really good today. I thought Boo (Buie) was tremendous. We were able to get him some clean looks early to get going from three. Then, he was able to get downhill and drive the ball really well in the second half. I thought Chase (Audige) was fantastic. The job he did defensively on Bryce McGowens, who in my opinion, was as hot as any player in the conference coming into the game – I thought Chase did a good job trying to make him take tough ones. It’s not like you’re going to shut somebody out. He still got 10 points, but I thought we did a good job of not letting him take over the game, get to the foul line, get going. We did a good job on their other shooters, with the exception of CJ (Wilcher), who got going for them. It was a really good game for us. We were able to string two wins together this week. Every game in the Big Ten matters, and to come on the road, especially to get a road win was really good. So I’m really proud of my team today.”

 

On the defense

“Some of it is that they missed some shots. Let’s be honest. I still thought they got some good looks. We tried to do our best to limit their guards – their guards can really spread you and really drive you. Derrick (Walker) is such a good passer and playmaker out of the post. Fred (Hoiberg) runs really good stuff. Their spacing and continuity and their movement; they put you in some tough spots. Our ability to guard the three-point line – they only had seven threes, and I want to say two or three of them might have been in the last two minutes, when a lot of the subs were in – I thought we guarded the three well and did a really good job staying in our gaps and trying to make them take tough shots.”

[brfrad]

Our team is pretty easy to defend.  Stop Bryce and the whole team shuts down.  In games we lost by 11 +, Bryce avg. 11.3 PPG, 3.9 RPG, and shoots 18.5 % from 3 in 30.7 MPG.  In all other games, he avg. 19.1 PPG, 6.1 RPG, and shoots 31.3 % from 3.