Blindcheck Posted March 2, 2018 Report Posted March 2, 2018 i have been watching some of the pundits talk about the ramifications of Louisville vacating their championship...and how those players that played Know they won the game and should not be punished. It kind of makes me mad, when they only "vacate" and not forfeit these games....one, now there is no winner. Two, if a team changed the scorebook to make the final score 50-47 win instead of a 50-53 loss, that kind of cheating would be fixed and the team that initially lost, would be given the win. The other thing that drives me crazy is they talk about how the Louisville players are affected....Well, what about Middle Tennessee...they were deprived of an NCAA tourney bid because Louisville participated (and now it is obvious they shouldn't have been in the tourney) as they were using ineligble player...The players on the First team out (i think was MTSU in 2013) are much more affected than those on the team that had wins vacated. Its like winning a Texas holdem tournament by using marked cards, but after the fact you are caught...yet you lose the winnings, but nobody else gets some of their money back from being cheated....it just goes to the Casino. northwillriseagain 1 Quote
HolyBobpilgrimage Posted March 3, 2018 Report Posted March 3, 2018 It's incredibly lame, and discouraging to see that people get away with this cheating on such a large scale, and for decades and decades. All I can think of is as I'm reminded of blue chips, which I recently re watched. It's disgusting. I'm glad there's some progress, but the ramifications should definitely be more serious, to your point; not just a slap on the wrist. These assholes need to get what's (been) coming to them. I find it funny how theyre focusing on a select few who have enough solid evidence to peg them, like Louisville and Arizona. We know that there are many, many more to more or lesser extent. And It really makes me mad when schools like zona are so proud and defiant that they refuse to admit anything, and "stand by their man", Sean Miller not admitting anything and acting all surprised and offended that anyone would dare suggest he's do such a "heinous" thing. ? Let justice be done, let the evil be punished, I say. northwillriseagain 1 Quote
aphilso1 Posted March 3, 2018 Report Posted March 3, 2018 There should definitely be some additional punishment for the Louisville case. As it stands now, Cardinal basketball got the same punishment as Notre Dame football from '11-'12, and for a far worse crime. Notre Dame's cheating was that a student who helped out part-time with the football team wrote papers for a couple of the players. And that was deemed worthy of vacating 20+ wins in football. And yet somehow the Pitino shenanigans get the same punishment? Makes no sense. In ND's case a couple of kids' stupidity vacated two seasons of wins for an infraction that the coaches had no knowledge of. In Louisville's case the coaches were encouraging recruiting violations and completely violated all sorts of competitive and ethical boundaries. Yet same punishment. Ludicrous! Quote
tcp Posted March 3, 2018 Report Posted March 3, 2018 what's the expression? oh, yeah....if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. Cheating is as American as an overpriced ballpark hot dog. We have a peculiarly pathological view of competition. Quote
hskr4life Posted March 3, 2018 Report Posted March 3, 2018 I truly think this is an X factor in selection as well. Do you select a bubble team that might have to vacate wins in 5 years? Quote
huskerbaseball13 Posted October 1, 2018 Report Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) Cheaters Cheat.... Can't get the tweet to load but per Dan Wetzel...jurors were given a list of schools that will come up during the trial which includes Arizona, Louisville, NC St, Miami, LSU, Oregon, DePaul, CREIGHTON, Texas, Oklahoma St, USC. Edited October 1, 2018 by huskerbaseball13 jayschool 1 Quote
AuroranHusker Posted October 1, 2018 Report Posted October 1, 2018 Very interesting............. Quote
Art Vandalay Posted October 1, 2018 Report Posted October 1, 2018 Not too surprising. Creighton was recruiting Brian Bowen and made his final list. Would seem very odd any school on his list was not offering $$ they way his family was shopping him. Quote
Huskerpapa Posted October 1, 2018 Report Posted October 1, 2018 It is important to note that the NCAA makes a lot of money. I believe a lot of that money makes its way back to the various schools. Money can cause many people to take the wrong turn even if correct options are available. With all the revenue, why can't more money be focused on compliance? Everyone "assumes" that a number of coaches and/or teams cheat to win. But penalties are so rare, it can lead one to believe that cheating really doesn't occur. Outside agencies tend to be the identifier of big problems. This then creates suspicion as to what really occurs inside the NCAA compliance office. Can one speculate that some NCAA compliance officers are getting paid under the table to let cheating slide??? rr52 1 Quote
Cowboy Kermit Posted October 1, 2018 Report Posted October 1, 2018 This whole thing is very much far from over. Gonna drag for quite a while. Quote
AuroranHusker Posted October 1, 2018 Report Posted October 1, 2018 I'd say a ton of basketball coaches have either paid players or wanted to pay players. It's a conundrum, if *nearly* everyone is doing it, then it tends to become a matter of who gets caught... first or worst. Quote
HuskerFever Posted October 1, 2018 Report Posted October 1, 2018 3 hours ago, huskerbaseball13 said: Cheaters Cheat.... Can't get the tweet to load but per Dan Wetzel...jurors were given a list of schools that will come up during the trial which includes Arizona, Louisville, NC St, Miami, LSU, Oregon, DePaul, CREIGHTON, Texas, Oklahoma St, USC. How much more money or political power did Kansas have that these other schools didn't have to pay someone off? Quote
bigFRED Posted October 1, 2018 Report Posted October 1, 2018 HAHAHA please please let Creighton have paid for players. jdw, Cowboy Kermit, cornfed24-7 and 1 other 4 Quote
49r Posted October 1, 2018 Report Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, noahjb24 said: HAHAHA please please let Creighton have paid for players. It's pretty obvious they were in a bidding war for Bowen (along with Louisville, Texas, Oregon and DePaul). Could Brian Bowen have been an FBI Trojan horse all along? ...something something Icarus something... Edited October 1, 2018 by 49r Quote
uneblinstu Posted October 1, 2018 Report Posted October 1, 2018 I'm not gonna glory in CU being implicated in something like this. That's the point where something embarrassing or nefarious comes out about one of the teams I cheer for. Quote
49r Posted October 1, 2018 Report Posted October 1, 2018 22 minutes ago, uneblinstu said: I'm not gonna glory in CU being implicated in something like this. That's the point where something embarrassing or nefarious comes out about one of the teams I cheer for. I'm with you. My post was not intended to be a gloat or anything (sorry if it was interpreted that way). It was only my expression of how clearly the recruitment of one individual appears to have impacted the case. What I did find interesting is that if indeed Bowen figures centrally here, why wasn't MSU listed in the group of schools in Wetzel's tweet? Quote
Norm Peterson Posted October 1, 2018 Report Posted October 1, 2018 42 minutes ago, uneblinstu said: I'm not gonna glory in CU being implicated in something like this. That's the point where something embarrassing or nefarious comes out about one of the teams I cheer for. As long as it's CU and not us, I'm OK with a little schadenfreude. bigFRED and jayschool 2 Quote
The Polish Rifle Posted October 1, 2018 Report Posted October 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, Norm Peterson said: As long as it's CU and not us, I'm OK with a little schadenfreude. AuroranHusker 1 Quote
cipsucks Posted October 1, 2018 Report Posted October 1, 2018 3 hours ago, NebrasketballJake said: This whole thing is very much far from over. Gonna drag for quite a while. Times have recently changed. Any crap that goes on in high school or college can be investigated in one week's time. Provided there's no evidence that anything actually happened.... Norm Peterson 1 Quote
bigFRED Posted October 2, 2018 Report Posted October 2, 2018 I will 100% root for Creighton to be guilty and get hit for all they're worth Cowboy Kermit and Norm Peterson 2 Quote
uneblinstu Posted October 2, 2018 Report Posted October 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, noahjb24 said: I will 100% root for Creighton to be guilty and get hit for all they're worth I'm just a terrible trash talker. It never goes well for me. Brick and jayschool 2 Quote
OmahaHusker Posted October 2, 2018 Report Posted October 2, 2018 Creighton isn't getting in trouble Quote
AuroranHusker Posted October 2, 2018 Report Posted October 2, 2018 It is most interesting that KU & MSU weren't listed initially. Quote
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