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I do think Miles needs some help from an in-game X's and O's standpoint...atleast offensively....and I'm not sure he's getting that from the guy he replaced Smith with. 

We'll see how we look at the end of the year, but currently we're currently somewhere between year 1 and year 2 in terms of offensive efficiency. (We're shooting a heck of a lot better which you can attribute either to players and/or coaching). You could make the argument, like many have, that we should be running more. However, does that happen with Smith in here?

 

 

Currently I believe you're right as the guy he replaced Smith with (Harriman) is on the bench at New Mexico.   :P

 

 

Molinari was hired to replace Coach Smith FYI. 

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golfer3
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Another big - man whiff.   No need to discuss replacing Miles after this season.   Perhaps next season.  Even mid -season.  How about talking Colo St into trading coaches.  Ill take my chances wit

SWAG
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Nobody on this board can truly believe this program is headed in the right direction...

49r
49r

Now there's a white-hot sports take if I ever saw one!   I think you made the right call starting a whole new thread to post that.   On an unrelated topic, have you ever wondered why you get down

khoock

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I don't see what the big fuss is over the big man recruiting. Hammond and Jacobsen both have plenty of eligibility left and with another off-season I think they will be a formidable duo. My guess is the last scholarship will be used on a big that redshirts and needs some time to develop and get bigger/stronger (like both Hammond and Jacobsen both could have used). 

 

Also, does anyone remember Sergej Vucetic? If my memory serves me correct he would be a senior this year (he also would have benefited from a redshirt year with us). Does anyone think he would be a viable option at this point in his career or was he just a hopeless prospect at this level?

49r

49r

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I do think Miles needs some help from an in-game X's and O's standpoint...atleast offensively....and I'm not sure he's getting that from the guy he replaced Smith with. 

We'll see how we look at the end of the year, but currently we're currently somewhere between year 1 and year 2 in terms of offensive efficiency. (We're shooting a heck of a lot better which you can attribute either to players and/or coaching). You could make the argument, like many have, that we should be running more. However, does that happen with Smith in here?

 

 

Currently I believe you're right as the guy he replaced Smith with (Harriman) is on the bench at New Mexico.   :P

 

 

Molinari was hired to replace Coach Smith FYI. 

 

 

Semantics.

 

Mo was hired to fill the void left when Smith went to USD.

 

Harriman was Smith's replacement though.

khoock

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I don't see what the big fuss is over the big man recruiting. Hammond and Jacobsen both have plenty of eligibility left and with another off-season I think they will be a formidable duo. My guess is the last scholarship will be used on a big that redshirts and needs some time to develop and get bigger/stronger (like both Hammond and Jacobsen both could have used). 

 

Also, does anyone remember Sergej Vucetic? If my memory serves me correct he would be a senior this year (he also would have benefited from a redshirt year with us). Does anyone think he would be a viable option at this point in his career or was he just a hopeless prospect at this level?

Just found him, he is at Evansville averaging something like 1.4 pts and 0.3 reb; so yeah he was probably a lost cause.

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I don't see what the big fuss is over the big man recruiting. Hammond and Jacobsen both have plenty of eligibility left and with another off-season I think they will be a formidable duo. My guess is the last scholarship will be used on a big that redshirts and needs some time to develop and get bigger/stronger (like both Hammond and Jacobsen both could have used). 

 

Also, does anyone remember Sergej Vucetic? If my memory serves me correct he would be a senior this year (he also would have benefited from a redshirt year with us). Does anyone think he would be a viable option at this point in his career or was he just a hopeless prospect at this level?

Hopeless prospect.  But you beat me to it.

Norm Peterson

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I don't know what you are asking there, huskerbaseball13.

 

Where was it mentioned that I was giving anyone a pass on anything, or giving anyone total credit for anything?  Point is, you can't just claim that the absence/presence of Smith (or Molinari for that matter) is the sole reason or blame for what's been going on here over the last season and a half.

 

Fact of the matter is, the team caught lightning in a bottle for that real nice 6 week run in 2014, but outside of that we've been a pretty steady bottom-third of the B1G team for the entire Miles tenure so far.  That includes the time when Smith was here and when he wasn't.

 

What HAS happened in the year and 9 months since Smith went to USD is we have signed 3 transfers from hoops blue blood programs and an additional 3 top 100 caliber guys out of high school, to assemble what could be argued to be one of the most talented rosters we've had ever.  It is for that fact alone that I believe that I will be happy to let Miles have the chance to get these guys all in and developed.

 

But right now?  It is not time to start unloading on the staff.  Not IMO, anyway.

 

In my mind we exceeded expectations in year 1 and in year 2.  Common denominator? Craig Smith.  He leaves the program and in year 3 with a team that was expected and talented enough to make it back to the dance only wins 5 games in the Big 10.  And we looked lost pretty much from the first exhibition game on.  Our offense last year...may have been as bad as it's ever been.  Coincedence? Maybe....but probably not.  Either way, he's probably not coming back anytime soon...and our problems run deeper than just being young IMO.  Talent alone is not going to bring in many wins in this conference when other teams are recruiting as well if not better.  I do think Miles needs some help from an in-game X's and O's standpoint...atleast offensively....and I'm not sure he's getting that from the guy he replaced Smith with. 

 

Well, guys, this has been a very entertaining discussion.  I could just imagine something similar having taken place back in Salem, Mass. in the days of the witch trials.

 

Thos. (49r) Goldthwaite:  "And howe doth my good neighbor faire this fine day?"

 

Wm. (baseball13) Hathorne:  "Newt so good, I'm afraide.  Seems the olde cowe has gone drye and won't produce milk."

 

Mssr Goldthwaite:  "That happens sometimes, ladde.  But the milke will come backe next time she's with calfe I'd suppose."

 

Mssr. Hathorne:  "Oooh, I dooon't knew about that.  During the 7 monthes that Mssr. Craig Smithe lived next doore, she milked fine.  Then he moves awaaye and suddenlee the cowe goes drye.  Methinks he was a witch." 

 

Mssr. Goldthwaite:  "Let me get this staighte:  You thinke that because your cowe went drye at the same time Mssr. Craig Smithe moved awaye, that she went drye because he's a witch?"

 

Mssr. Hathorne:  "That's righte.  I thinke we neede to finde Mssr. Smithe and burne him at the stake."

 

Mssr. Goldthwaite:  "And that will make your cowe give milke?"

 

Mssr. Hathorne:  "Can't hurte."

 

 

So, Norm.  Are you saying (in pilgrim-speak) that correlation does not equal causation???

 

Yeah, kinda that.  Yeah.

golfer3

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Take a look at Norm's big-man Miles whiff list.  It not because of lack of Miles' effort, it's because he cant close. No one else on his staff can either when it comes to big men.

 

We dont need  a  big man to average 15 and 8.  Just someone who has the footwork and length to protect the basket. That's not asking for much.

 

Nebraska has to be one of the easiest teams to scout, if they even send a scout. The scout probably watches a half then heads across the street for a few beers.

Silverbacked1

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Take a look at Norm's big-man Miles whiff list.  It not because of lack of Miles' effort, it's because he cant close. No one else on his staff can either when it comes to big men.

 

We dont need  a  big man to average 15 and 8.  Just someone who has the footwork and length to protect the basket. That's not asking for much.

 

Nebraska has to be one of the easiest teams to scout, if they even send a scout. The scout probably watches a half then heads across the street for a few beers.

Okay instead of just telling us what we already know, that we can't get some big guy, Tell us how we can get somebody here. I was going to start a thread about that but I think you opened the door so we can talk about it now.

Norm Peterson

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Take a look at Norm's big-man Miles whiff list.  It not because of lack of Miles' effort, it's because he cant close. No one else on his staff can either when it comes to big men.

 

We dont need  a  big man to average 15 and 8.  Just someone who has the footwork and length to protect the basket. That's not asking for much.

 

Nebraska has to be one of the easiest teams to scout, if they even send a scout. The scout probably watches a half then heads across the street for a few beers.

That wasn't me, that was 49orm (a/k/a Thos. Goldthwaite.)

49r

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So, Norm.  Are you saying (in pilgrim-speak) that correlation does not equal causation???

 

Yeah, kinda that.  Yeah.

 

 

Interesting.

 

So just to get this straight, then you are telling me that humans are hard wired to recognize patterns and link them together?

 

I mean, it's one of the brain's primary functions, and it's necessary to our survival and it's something that is of great benefit to us as a species?  It's helped us to evolve into the highly advanced thinking machines that we are today??

 

But, it is also this very pattern recognition that can lead us to come to false (or at best misleading) conclusions very often, and it is also a fundamental tenet of what we call superstition?  That it's why people insist on wearing their "lucky t-shirt" or to jam their fists into the crack between sofa cushions to watch basketball games because they believe that since something happened in the past, the only way it'll happen in the future is if that condition (or pattern) is met every time?  Even though we know rationally that there is absolutely no reason that any of that shit matters?

 

Is this the thing you're telling me, Norm???

49r

49r

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Take a look at Norm's big-man Miles whiff list.  It not because of lack of Miles' effort, it's because he cant close. No one else on his staff can either when it comes to big men.

 

We dont need  a  big man to average 15 and 8.  Just someone who has the footwork and length to protect the basket. That's not asking for much.

 

Nebraska has to be one of the easiest teams to scout, if they even send a scout. The scout probably watches a half then heads across the street for a few beers.

That wasn't me, that was 49orm (a/k/a Thos. Goldthwaite.)

 

 

Call me "Bobcat".

Silverbacked1

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So, Norm.  Are you saying (in pilgrim-speak) that correlation does not equal causation???

Yeah, kinda that.  Yeah.

 

Interesting.

 

So just to get this straight, then you are telling me that humans are hard wired to recognize patterns and link them together?

 

I mean, it's one of the brain's primary functions, and it's necessary to our survival and it's something that is of great benefit to us as a species?  It's helped us to evolve into the highly advanced thinking machines that we are today??

 

But, it is also this very pattern recognition that can lead us to come to false (or at best misleading) conclusions very often, and it is also a fundamental tenet of what we call superstition?  That it's why people insist on wearing their "lucky t-shirt" or to jam their fists into the crack between sofa cushions to watch basketball games because they believe that since something happened in the past, the only way it'll happen in the future is if that condition (or pattern) is met every time?  Even though we know rationally that there is absolutely no reason that any of that shit matters?

 

Is this the thing you're telling me, Norm???

That's also why we see pictures of Jesus in a slice of toast,ect... our brains work very hard to find either a pattern or a picture in everything we see.

Kind of cool huh?

49r

49r

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So, Norm.  Are you saying (in pilgrim-speak) that correlation does not equal causation???

Yeah, kinda that.  Yeah.
 

Interesting.

 

So just to get this straight, then you are telling me that humans are hard wired to recognize patterns and link them together?

 

I mean, it's one of the brain's primary functions, and it's necessary to our survival and it's something that is of great benefit to us as a species?  It's helped us to evolve into the highly advanced thinking machines that we are today??

 

But, it is also this very pattern recognition that can lead us to come to false (or at best misleading) conclusions very often, and it is also a fundamental tenet of what we call superstition?  That it's why people insist on wearing their "lucky t-shirt" or to jam their fists into the crack between sofa cushions to watch basketball games because they believe that since something happened in the past, the only way it'll happen in the future is if that condition (or pattern) is met every time?  Even though we know rationally that there is absolutely no reason that any of that shit matters?

 

Is this the thing you're telling me, Norm???

That's also why we see pictures of Jesus in a slice of toast,ect... our brains work very hard to find either a pattern or a picture in everything we see.

Kind of cool huh?

 

 

Yep, it's also why the ancients developed the constellations in the night sky.  It was an attempt to make sense of the seeming randomness of the stars and galaxies and develop a greater understanding of what it all meant.  Of course Orion is just an absolute random collection of stars and our perspective on them, but to us it was a mythical creature, it looked like something so it meant something.

 

But to go back to the Miles/Smith thing for a bit, that argument is a classic example of the "after this, therefore because of this" logical fallacy.  We see what we want to see because it fits an agenda, if for no other reason to explain an uncomfortable reality that we want to deny or explain away.  It's someone else's fault and here's a reason why.

 

Doesn't mean it's wrong, and it doesn't mean it's right.  It just isn't appropriate.  Logically speaking, anyway.

49r

49r

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The wheels on the bus scream win win win, win win win, we will win. Oh! the wheels on the bus say win win win, win that fucking crown.

 

I don't think it's the wheels screaming a0t0w0, apparently I threw Coach Smith under there earlier today.  That's probably what you're hearing.

hal9000

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I do think Miles needs some help from an in-game X's and O's standpoint...atleast offensively....and I'm not sure he's getting that from the guy he replaced Smith with. 

We'll see how we look at the end of the year, but currently we're currently somewhere between year 1 and year 2 in terms of offensive efficiency. (We're shooting a heck of a lot better which you can attribute either to players and/or coaching). You could make the argument, like many have, that we should be running more. However, does that happen with Smith in here?

 

I like MIles and hate when almost anyone that does anything has people saying, "Fire them," but I haven't like the offense run here with or without Smith.

 

If anything I think the offense is better now than it was in 2013-14, at least in terms of its execution.  There were very few assists that year. This year people are getting a lot more open shots, just not hitting them enough, and of course there is still the ever constant problem of scoring droughts, which frankly goes back to the Sadler days at least.

 

Agree, would like to see more to our offense than what it is.  I'd like to see us force the action more inside than we do now. 

arliepro

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I do think Miles needs some help from an in-game X's and O's standpoint...atleast offensively....and I'm not sure he's getting that from the guy he replaced Smith with.

We'll see how we look at the end of the year, but currently we're currently somewhere between year 1 and year 2 in terms of offensive efficiency. (We're shooting a heck of a lot better which you can attribute either to players and/or coaching). You could make the argument, like many have, that we should be running more. However, does that happen with Smith in here?

I like MIles and hate when almost anyone that does anything has people saying, "Fire them," but I haven't like the offense run here with or without Smith.

If anything I think the offense is better now than it was in 2013-14, at least in terms of its execution. There were very few assists that year. This year people are getting a lot more open shots, just not hitting them enough, and of course there is still the ever constant problem of scoring droughts, which frankly goes back to the Sadler days at least.

Agree, would like to see more to our offense than what it is. I'd like to see us force the action more inside than we do now.

Agree. Also, we need to recruit more pure shooters.

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Yeah that Craig Smith hot take is another one that annoys the crap outta me.

 

People remember that the end of his tenure at NU coincided with the hot streak to finish off the 2014 season.  He parlayed that into a D1 head coaching job, which, good for him.   That's what he's supposed to do.

 

But let's not forget he was also around for the 5-13 league campaign in 2013 and the 9-9 (1-5) start to the next season.  Are we supposed to just give him a total pass for that season and a half because he was around for the 10-2 run to finish that season?

 

Come on, man.

Have to look at the full picture of Miles career, not just the short time he was here.  Smith was there most of the way.  They worked well together.  And by simply watching the games we are not being coached nearly as well since he left.  What explanation do you have for that if it is not having anything to do with Smith leaving? 

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I do think Miles needs some help from an in-game X's and O's standpoint...atleast offensively....and I'm not sure he's getting that from the guy he replaced Smith with. 

We'll see how we look at the end of the year, but currently we're currently somewhere between year 1 and year 2 in terms of offensive efficiency. (We're shooting a heck of a lot better which you can attribute either to players and/or coaching). You could make the argument, like many have, that we should be running more. However, does that happen with Smith in here?

 

I like MIles and hate when almost anyone that does anything has people saying, "Fire them," but I haven't like the offense run here with or without Smith.

 

Yeah, agree.  Petteway needing the ball so much made it tough to watch at times.  The defensive end is where I have noticed the bigger difference in our play since Smith left.  Our rotations as well as ball pressure were much better than they are now with Molinari led defense.  That is really frustrating since he was supposed to be a defensive mastermind.  He has not been anything resembling that so far. 

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Another big - man whiff.

 

No need to discuss replacing Miles after this season.

 

Perhaps next season.  Even mid -season.  How about talking Colo St into trading coaches.  Ill take my chances with Eustacy.

 

Excuse my lack of sincerity , but this isn't a serious NU basketball program.

 

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