In state kids?

[TheKamdyMan]

 

How is there a top 50 big in Omaha, and we didn't offer? Heck how does a top 50 big only have 1 offer total? I'm not saying he doesn't deserve the rating but that means dozens of schools made had a huge whiff.

It's definitely strange. It happens, though. Anthony Davis went from a nobody to the No. 1 recruit in the country in the blink of an eye.

 

 

Not apples to apples.  He was a 6'4'' sophomore that blossomed to a 6'10'' senior that had the handles of a guard and the post moves to match. Patton has been this height for over a year now and didnt put up nearly the same number Davis did even as a 6'4'' guard in HS let alone when he was a dominating center.

[Norm Peterson]

Stop it… EE was the best player on the floor in probably 95% of the games he played in his senior year. This North kid was probably his own teams 4th best player (his team is one of the worst in the metro btw) and got torched by a 6'2 post guy when I watched him. He is NOT coming to Nebraska and if he does, it is a sign of how far away our program is….

 

FWIW I looked at his numbers for the game I saw him play

o points on 0-6 shooting (I recall at least 2 air balls)

3 rebounds

1 block

25 minutes

 

PLEASE STOP…… 

Well, you were correct that he's not coming to Nebraska.

[The Polish Rifle]

 

Stop it… EE was the best player on the floor in probably 95% of the games he played in his senior year. This North kid was probably his own teams 4th best player (his team is one of the worst in the metro btw) and got torched by a 6'2 post guy when I watched him. He is NOT coming to Nebraska and if he does, it is a sign of how far away our program is….

 

FWIW I looked at his numbers for the game I saw him play

o points on 0-6 shooting (I recall at least 2 air balls)

3 rebounds

1 block

25 minutes

 

PLEASE STOP…… 

Well, you were correct that he's not coming to Nebraska.

 

What are the chances we offer? I'm not saying he would turn his back on CU, but why wouldn't we offer a top 50 player in our backyard?

[TheKamdyMan]

 

 

Stop it… EE was the best player on the floor in probably 95% of the games he played in his senior year. This North kid was probably his own teams 4th best player (his team is one of the worst in the metro btw) and got torched by a 6'2 post guy when I watched him. He is NOT coming to Nebraska and if he does, it is a sign of how far away our program is….

 

FWIW I looked at his numbers for the game I saw him play

o points on 0-6 shooting (I recall at least 2 air balls)

3 rebounds

1 block

25 minutes

 

PLEASE STOP…… 

Well, you were correct that he's not coming to Nebraska.

 

What are the chances we offer? I'm not saying he would turn his back on CU, but why wouldn't we offer a top 50 player in our backyard?

 

 

If said player said I have no interest in anyone other than CU thats why.  Im guessing teams around the country have shown interest but if hes content to shut it down you wont hear about it.

[GATA]

How is there a top 50 big in Omaha, and we didn't offer? Heck how does a top 50 big only have 1 offer total? I'm not saying he doesn't deserve the rating but that means dozens of schools made had a huge whiff.

It's definitely strange. It happens, though. Anthony Davis went from a nobody to the No. 1 recruit in the country in the blink of an eye.

 

Not apples to apples.  He was a 6'4'' sophomore that blossomed to a 6'10'' senior that had the handles of a guard and the post moves to match. Patton has been this height for over a year now and didnt put up nearly the same number Davis did even as a 6'4'' guard in HS let alone when he was a dominating center.

Sure, it's not apples to apples, but that's not really the point. Weird things like this happen from time to time. Guards get crazy growth spurts and become stud big men (Anthony Davis, David Robinson). Some bigs develop late because their coordination is slow to catch up to their frame. Some slip through the cracks because you assume academically it's not going to work out. Sometimes it's a combination of all of the above.

It stinks that it happened in our back yard, but these things happen in recruiting. Sometimes it's all about timing.

[hhcmatt]

Stop it… EE was the best player on the floor in probably 95% of the games he played in his senior year. This North kid was probably his own teams 4th best player (his team is one of the worst in the metro btw) and got torched by a 6'2 post guy when I watched him. He is NOT coming to Nebraska and if he does, it is a sign of how far away our program is….

 

FWIW I looked at his numbers for the game I saw him play

o points on 0-6 shooting (I recall at least 2 air balls)

3 rebounds

1 block

25 minutes

 

PLEASE STOP……

Well, you were correct that he's not coming to Nebraska.

 

I don't think 316 was wrong in his assessment before. Looks like Patton finally caught up with his growth spurt.

[Norm Peterson]

I hate to say it but it's the kind of thing that we on here have hoped would happen to us, where a very under-the-radar kid comes along in our back yard and we get him because no one else knew about him because he grew 14 inches over the summer or whatever.  Obviously, you can't rely or depend on always signing the ugly ducklings that becomes the swans (no offense, swan.)  But that's the kind of luck that we've always wished we would experience, simply because we know we're not going to go head to head with Duke for Jahlil Okafor and win that recruiting battle.  Instead, we have to find the kids that others never saw.  And that's apparently what this Patton kid represents.  Oh well.

 

Having said that, I'm still skeptical about a guy jumping THAT far, all the way from no D1 attention whatsoever to being in the top 50 for both Rivals and Scout.  We've seen kids make big jumps before only to fall back a ways.  Leon Gilmore was one such player from last year.  But Leon was at least getting D1 attention before his leap into the Rivals 150.  It'll be interesting to see what he does during his senior year.  A top 50 player should absolutely dominate Nebraska HS ball.

[hhcmatt]

 

 

 

Stop it… EE was the best player on the floor in probably 95% of the games he played in his senior year. This North kid was probably his own teams 4th best player (his team is one of the worst in the metro btw) and got torched by a 6'2 post guy when I watched him. He is NOT coming to Nebraska and if he does, it is a sign of how far away our program is….

 

FWIW I looked at his numbers for the game I saw him play

o points on 0-6 shooting (I recall at least 2 air balls)

3 rebounds

1 block

25 minutes

 

PLEASE STOP…… 

Well, you were correct that he's not coming to Nebraska.

 

What are the chances we offer? I'm not saying he would turn his back on CU, but why wouldn't we offer a top 50 player in our backyard?

 

 

If said player said I have no interest in anyone other than CU thats why.  Im guessing teams around the country have shown interest but if hes content to shut it down you wont hear about it.

 

 

Hammond was the same way with offers until he decommitted from Oklahoma...that's how he "only had one offer"

Patton seems very committed to Creighton...what would be the point of anyone offering now?

[hhcmatt]

 

Too bad we never got in on him.  Good get by Creighton.

 

Rumor is he may not make grades.  But, worst case they will still have an in on him if they have to place him somewhere. 

 

 

Is he going to get to Div I before Arop in 2017? 

[The Coach]

Myles Turner went from unranked to the #9 recruit in the country last year.

[49r]

 

Too bad we never got in on him.  Good get by Creighton.

 

I saw one of his games online from last year.  He didn't look like a D1 player.  From all accounts his game did a 180 this spring and Creighton was at the right time right place for the team camp and saw him coming into his own and seized the moment.  Congrats to them but sometimes thats the way it plays out.

 

 

[bleujay]

Eamonn Brennan released a great article today on ESPN about the tricky nature of basketball recruiting.. I think it all boils down to the fact that Creighton had the"in" with the basketball camp. Is a top 40 national rank possibly too high for JP? Sure, it definitely could be. I for one thought it was when Scout updated their list a couple weeks ago. For me, though, the fact that two independent recruiting services have now placed him in a similar position on their national lists gives the ranking a bit more credibility. Time will tell. It's obvious at this point in time that the ranking has much more to do with Justin's upside than the production he has shown on the court. He did impress a lot of recruiters in Vegas, however.

[Section_316]

Norm, if I had the time, I could dig up some posts you made that probably didn't look good when looking back.

I stand by what I said. It was north @ creighton prep and he looked god awful. Didn't hit the rim on multiple shots. Couldn't get post position on a 6'4 baseball player banging the post for prep. Blocked 1 shot in 25+ minutes

If you read the rest of my posts, I acknowledge the kid could grow into a player.

Don't have to be such a prick

[Creighton Fan]

Funny, I said he be a steal for Creighton bout a month ago qnd caught a lot a crap. Now you cats is recognizing him as a legit baller?!?

I ball at OSA and can yell ya that Patton has really developed. He a huge steal for Creighton. Their staff deserve some credit for spotting the kid fore he blowed up.

With coach bailing on Central. North gonna be the new power in class A. They gots it going in football goo

[TheKamdyMan]

With coach bailing on Central. North gonna be the new power in class A. They gots it going in football goo

 

you lost me here.  North will not be a power in Class A hoops.

 

As for spotting him, I hope they were able to spot him AT THEIR OWN CAMP.  If they couldnt do that Id question them.

 

Yes you did catch crap, some from me, but dont deny the FACT that anyone that saw any game or film on him from his junior year didnt justify that claim.

[Swan88]

I hate to say it but it's the kind of thing that we on here have hoped would happen to us, where a very under-the-radar kid comes along in our back yard and we get him because no one else knew about him because he grew 14 inches over the summer or whatever.  Obviously, you can't rely or depend on always signing the ugly ducklings that becomes the swans (no offense, swan.)  But that's the kind of luck that we've always wished we would experience.

 

Whoa Nellie, Norm!!

[No offense taken, by the way--now, if you'd suggested I'm still the ugly duckling . . . ]

But back to the subject--what's this about "hoped would happen to us" and "under-the-radar kid comes along" and "luck that we've always wished we would experience"?  . . . as if that never happened to us??!!!

Ever hear of a player by the name of Teran Petteway?  Here's a high schooler with the top college teams in pursuit of him being Colorado St. and Texas Tech; his results as a college Freshman are middling-to-poor, and his commitment to Nebrasketball came with a bunch of yawns and ho-hums from us fans.  And it was well into his redshirt sophomore year that we internet geniuses started figuring out that he might be pretty good . . . and it's toward the end of last season that he begins to achieves all-B1G status.  And he's now projected as among the best at the highest levels of college basketball. 

Oh . . . but sure . . . poor us.  We never luck out like others do. 

But, hey, the current reality for Nebrasketball is that we no longer need to hope for luck.  Heck, we now have a top-50 recruit signed-up and in school--and we signed him in direct and extensive competition with a full range of high-majors.  We have a four-star point guard visiting who, despite being pursued by many other schools--both high-majors and otherwise--appears to be leaning toward NU.  We have another four-star recruit visiting in a couple weeks with whom odds are also looking pretty good.

The point, Norm, is that we've had our lucky break (actually, we've had a bunch of them--Shavon Shields held low-star status and is pretty darn good, Benny Parker held no-stars and played an incredibly important role last year, Walter Pitchford came to NU as a Florida reject and became a superb player at NU, and Tai Webster is making huge progress.

Not only did we experience our lucky breaks all-at-once with Tim Miles--but we no longer need to pine for such breaks as our only way to thrive!  Tim Miles & Co. have now created their way into successful competition for the four-stars--who knows, perhaps five-stars are just around the corner. 

Bottom line in recruiting the best players--I'll take "good" over "lucky" any day!!!

[Nebrasketballer]

With coach bailing on Central. North gonna be the new power in class A. They gots it going in football goo

you lost me here. North will not be a power in Class A hoops.

As for spotting him, I hope they were able to spot him AT THEIR OWN CAMP. If they couldnt do that Id question them.

Yes you did catch crap, some from me, but dont deny the FACT that anyone that saw any game or film on him from his junior year didnt justify that claim.

I agree. Also, consider that if a player actually did deserve a ranking this high, they would be dominating high school basketball in Nebraska. I mean, can you imagine what Morrow would be like if he transferred to a school in Omaha for his senior season after dominating like he has on a consistent basis with Mac Irvin Fire? He would embarrass opponents on a nightly basis. The same could be said about Glynn Watson.

But Patton hasn't managed to dominate Nebraska high school basketball at that level. And regardless of what the recruiting sites rank these players...I would still take D'Jery Baptiste 10 times out of 10 over Patton. No question.

[Norm Peterson]

Norm, if I had the time, I could dig up some posts you made that probably didn't look good when looking back.

I stand by what I said. It was north @ creighton prep and he looked god awful. Didn't hit the rim on multiple shots. Couldn't get post position on a 6'4 baseball player banging the post for prep. Blocked 1 shot in 25+ minutes

If you read the rest of my posts, I acknowledge the kid could grow into a player.

Don't have to be such a prick

Don't have to dig very far.  Just look for the thread where I said we shouldn't recruit Terran Petteway.  And the time I bet NUdiehard that we'd be 2 games in conference better the year after Ade Dagunduro graduated than we were before.

 

Lighten up.  Nobody's being a prick.  You just happened to make an emphatic pronouncement about a guy who went 180 degrees the other direction.  Funny thing is that 99.9% of D1 coaches agreed with you so what you said wasn't without merit.  It just turned out to be dramatically wrong.  Like my Petteway prediction.

[Fromthebench]

Patton was not healthy last year. The comments saying that a division 1 player should put up huge numbers and dominate in Nebraska are unjust. Nebraska has not produced many division 1 players recently, but that has more to do with physical makeup then level of play. The game of basketball is played at a high level in our state. We just aren't producing the athletes needed to reach that level. High school coaches in Nebraska are teaching the skills and the game the right way. They can game plan to limit a player from putting up huge numbers. Look at Akoy Agau's high school stats and you wouldn't think he would go to the defending national champs as a 4 star recruit. Look at the success Nebraska AAU teams are having, look at the success Nebraska HS teams have when they play out of state teams (Oak Hill). The level of play is really good. The skill level is there, it's a matter of size and athleticism that isn't.

[TheKamdyMan]

The comments saying that a division 1 player should put up huge numbers and dominate in Nebraska are unjust. Nebraska has not produced many division 1 players recently, but..........

 

but the D1 signees from the state did dominate.  They didnt have games as juniors where they didnt score ONE point.  That happened with Patton.  I'm not saying he isn't a D1 talent but he hasnt had a dominating game in HS play yet.

 

As for Agau the dude was one block shy from a triple double in the State Championship as a FRESHMAN, and then had a triple double as a junior in the state championship.  If those arent dominating numbers in the biggest game possible then I don't know what to tell you. 

[Nebrasketballer]

Patton was not healthy last year. The comments saying that a division 1 player should put up huge numbers and dominate in Nebraska are unjust.

We're not simply discussing whether or not a D1 player would dominate Nebraska basketball (which I think in most cases they would...). But unarguably, a legit top100 national player would dominate high school ball in Nebraska.

Also, when ridiculously comparing Patton to Agau...if you are trying to argue that they are the same (or even comparable), then how about comparing each of their offer lists...

Agau:

Louisville, Baylor, Cincinnati, Clemson, Colorado St, UCONN, Creighton, DePaul, Drake, Florida, Georgetown, Georgia, Indiana St, Iowa, Jacksonville, KState, Marquette, Memphis, Minnesota, Mississippi St, Missouri, Nebraska, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Oregon, Penn St, Providence, Rice, San Fran, Tennessee, Tulsa, USC, West Virginia, Western Kentucky, Wichita St, Xavier.

Patton:

Creighton

[Section_316]

Akoy dominated WAY more than Patton has ever dominated. 

[hhcmatt]

Anyone else in 2015 a candidate to catch fire?  What about 2016?

[uneblinstu]

Enough with the ad hominems. Stick to basketball, please.

[Donkey]

This Patton conversation has gotten tiresome.  I really could care less that he is going to Creighton.  He is a Nebraska product in the ESPN top 100 and is staying in state.  That is all that matters to me.  This is not Matt Hill (who lived in Lincoln) going to Texas.  We WANT and NEED successful high school basketball programs developing top notch talent here in Nebraska.  The more in state talent we have, the easier it is to recruit without having to convince kids that most of the state does have indoor plumbing (sadly enough I still run into stupid comments like that).