What it really costs to build a championship caliber team

[Navin R. Johnson]

1 hour ago, Vinny said:

Am I hearing that Fred might be some sort of energy vampire?

 

Flag on the play.  Excessive use of Jon Gordon quotes.

[cornfed24-7]

1 hour ago, The Polish Rifle said:

Fred’s been here for 6 years,

That 6 years spans 2 completely different eras of college basketball. He has 3 years in each era. The recruiting, NIL, and transfer rules of each era are nothing a like. And in the era we are in now Hoiberg has made the NCAA tournament and almost made the NCAA tournament. 

[throwback]

Got a fool-proof plan to fix all our problems

 

 

 

[The Polish Rifle]

9 minutes ago, cornfed24-7 said:

That 6 years spans 2 completely different eras of college basketball. He has 3 years in each era. The recruiting, NIL, and transfer rules of each era are nothing a like. And in the era we are in now Hoiberg has made the NCAA tournament and almost made the NCAA tournament. 

And in 2 of the past 3 years we’ve finished in the bottom 1/4th of the league. I understand it’s an unpopular opinion here but I think Fred struggles with roster construction, and feel we’re more than likely going to have a bottom 1/4th roster again next year. Fred himself said he “f’in hates recruiting and the other stuff”, that’s pretty much all that matters in CBB today. At ISU he had Otz who I think was perfect for doing the stuff Fred hates. As current staff is constructed I don’t see them able to build a great roster with NIL constraints. Not saying fire him, just healthy bit of skepticism going into what could be a make or break season. 

[Cazzie22]

What is Wisconsin paying?  They are doing a great job in talent evaluation and development.

[cornfed24-7]

30 minutes ago, The Polish Rifle said:

And in 2 of the past 3 years we’ve finished in the bottom 1/4th of the league. I understand it’s an unpopular opinion here but I think Fred struggles with roster construction, and feel we’re more than likely going to have a bottom 1/4th roster again next year. Fred himself said he “f’in hates recruiting and the other stuff”, that’s pretty much all that matters in CBB today. At ISU he had Otz who I think was perfect for doing the stuff Fred hates. As current staff is constructed I don’t see them able to build a great roster with NIL constraints. Not saying fire him, just healthy bit of skepticism going into what could be a make or break season. 

I don't disagree with anything in your post. I'm mostly playing a quasi devils advocate here. 

 

Nothing that Hoiberg has done here gives me any confidence to argue he should be the guy going forward.

 

On the flip side nothing about the apparent current NIL situation gives me any confidence to argue a change needs to be made.

 

I am on the razors edge of indifference on who leads this program going into next season. 

 

I think it will be pretty apparent if Hoiberg should be the coach or not after next year. 

[hhcmatt]

TBH after looking back after reading "Bottom 1/4th of the league" and seeing that we won 9 conference games 3 years ago and knowing how close we were in games this season I'm actually more encouraged. 

[basketballjones]

5 hours ago, cornfed24-7 said:

and almost made the NCAA tournament. 

If we’re being fair and honest, and looking at this from an outsiders perspective - did he/we almost get in? I know it felt like we were due to how things were when we were an inflated 12-2. But we finished with 17 wins, 1 more game than 2 years ago, where we definitely weren’t “almost in.”

 

We didn’t make our own conference tournament. In a couple years it will be hard for me to consider this a team that “almost made the tourney.”

[HuskerFever]

Just now, basketballjones said:

If we’re being fair and honest, and looking at this from an outsiders perspective - did he/we almost get in? I know it felt like we were due to how things were when we were an inflated 12-2. But we finished with 17 wins, 1 more game than 2 years ago, where we definitely weren’t “almost in.”

 

We didn’t make our own conference tournament. In a couple years it will be hard for me to consider this a team that “almost made the tourney.”

 

Depends on how you want to define "almost". But given a 6-game losing streak (which Purdue had 5) we still were in it through the end of the season.

 

Given we lost SEVEN one-score games, the probabilities just aren't there that we'd lose that much. We also needed to win 2 of our last 5 games (and lost 5).

 

So "almost in"? By my definition, absolutely. But that's subjective.

[basketballjones]

The “our NIL is bad” side of this argument just getting a first round bye in this discussion is pretty unfair imo. I have been following NU Athletics closely my entire life. We are a conservative athletic department that is never at the top of spending. But rarely are we ever the flat out bottom. We typically are competitive. There’s also always many other perks and benefits, along with cost of living, that gets factored in. 

[hhcmatt]

31 minutes ago, basketballjones said:

If we’re being fair and honest, and looking at this from an outsiders perspective - did he/we almost get in? I know it felt like we were due to how things were when we were an inflated 12-2. But we finished with 17 wins, 1 more game than 2 years ago, where we definitely weren’t “almost in.”

 

We didn’t make our own conference tournament. In a couple years it will be hard for me to consider this a team that “almost made the tourney.”

We are on the list of either the first four out or the next four out despite losing 6 of our last 7. With how the Minnesota, Ohio St, and other close games went it's dumb how close we were

[thrasher31]

9 minutes ago, hhcmatt said:

We are on the list of either the first four out or the next four out despite losing 6 of our last 7. With how the Minnesota, Ohio St, and other close games went it's dumb how close we were

Bubble also being extremely weak helped. Just win a two of the one score games and they're safe. 

[millerhusker]

The roster was constructed pretty damn well in 22-23, but an all-american was removed from the equation just before school started. Keyontae Johnson had a freaking apartment picked out in Lincoln before Trev made the final call to not clear him (according to Washut). He went on to be a top 10 player in the country that year and imo would’ve been a perfect fit with Griesel, Walker and the shooters (Keisei, CJ, JL). 
Roburt Sallie all over again. 

[cornfed24-7]

1 hour ago, basketballjones said:

If we’re being fair and honest, and looking at this from an outsiders perspective - did he/we almost get in? I know it felt like we were due to how things were when we were an inflated 12-2. But we finished with 17 wins, 1 more game than 2 years ago, where we definitely weren’t “almost in.”

 

We didn’t make our own conference tournament. In a couple years it will be hard for me to consider this a team that “almost made the tourney.”

Yes. We were ridiculously close.

I'm as shocked and disgusted as you that I had to type we almost got in this year.

 

Honestly it's what pisses me off the most about this year.

 

We didn't look like a tournament team, didn't act like a tournament team, and quite often didn't play close to a tournament team.

 

The one season we could sleep walk into the tournament because  a multitude of variables break our way we shit the bed.

 

 

[arliepro]

7 hours ago, The Polish Rifle said:

And in 2 of the past 3 years we’ve finished in the bottom 1/4th of the league. I understand it’s an unpopular opinion here but I think Fred struggles with roster construction, and feel we’re more than likely going to have a bottom 1/4th roster again next year. Fred himself said he “f’in hates recruiting and the other stuff”, that’s pretty much all that matters in CBB today. At ISU he had Otz who I think was perfect for doing the stuff Fred hates. As current staff is constructed I don’t see them able to build a great roster with NIL constraints. Not saying fire him, just healthy bit of skepticism going into what could be a make or break season. 

Is there any reason we couldn't get a GM for basketball?

[Vinny]

Did we almost get in? We were 21 points across 7 games away from being 24-7 and hovering around the 4 line with Maryland, Michigan, Wisconsin and Purdue. It’s incredible the amount of heart break we’ve endured.

[hskr4life]

55 minutes ago, Vinny said:

Did we almost get in? We were 21 points across 7 games away from being 24-7 and hovering around the 4 line with Maryland, Michigan, Wisconsin and Purdue. It’s incredible the amount of heart break we’ve endured.

Need the Jumanji “What year is it” GIF for this one. Man seems like we’ve asked this question more than one year.

[basketballjones]

1 hour ago, Vinny said:

Did we almost get in? We were 21 points across 7 games away from being 24-7 and hovering around the 4 line with Maryland, Michigan, Wisconsin and Purdue. It’s incredible the amount of heart break we’ve endured.

I wouldn’t say it’s incredible. Just par for the course. 

[Vinny]

10 hours ago, basketballjones said:

I wouldn’t say it’s incredible. Just par for the course. 

An incredible course then.

[hhcmatt]

13 hours ago, arliepro said:

Is there any reason we couldn't get a GM for basketball?

 

I'm not entirely sure what the role of a basketball GM is. We have a "Recruiting Coordinator" in Paydn Borders so it seems like we already have a centralized recruiting system. Anyone know the difference in roles?

[LincecumFan]

22 minutes ago, hhcmatt said:

 

I'm not entirely sure what the role of a basketball GM is. We have a "Recruiting Coordinator" in Paydn Borders so it seems like we already have a centralized recruiting system. Anyone know the difference in roles?

We also have Luca Virgilio (sp?), Director of Basketball Strategies & Business Operations. Do not know which position is closer to a GM role.

[basketballjones]

 

 

Crazy... starting to think coaching matters. 

[Nebrasketball1979]

3 minutes ago, basketballjones said:

 

 

Crazy... starting to think coaching matters. 

 

It's obviously a balance.  Fred the GM needs to help Fred the Coach but Nebraska needs to equip him with the resources that is better than below average in the Big 10.  I'm not saying we need to have a $5M-$6M roster but if we're really at $2.3M, that's a large gap to consistently overcome.  Coaching matters but having the Jimmy's and Joe's is critical as well.

[HuskerFever]

35 minutes ago, basketballjones said:

 

 

Crazy... starting to think coaching matters. 

 

Just apply for the job already! 

[The Polish Rifle]

41 minutes ago, Nebrasketball1979 said:

 

It's obviously a balance.  Fred the GM needs to help Fred the Coach but Nebraska needs to equip him with the resources that is better than below average in the Big 10.  I'm not saying we need to have a $5M-$6M roster but if we're really at $2.3M, that's a large gap to consistently overcome.  Coaching matters but having the Jimmy's and Joe's is critical as well.

100%. How we allocate funds is important too. Someone on another board sarcastically asked me if I was okay with Chucky giving 40% of our NIL budget. Hell yeah I am. I woulda much rather given Chucky 40% of our budget than Meah/Berke. Chucky/Gary/Williams core is winning a tournament game.