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AuroranHusker

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59 minutes ago, HuskerFever said:

 

If there's one thing Creighton knows how to do, it's paying players under the table. They'll be fine.

 

Brian Bowen wouldn't pay to go to C.U.

 

And, trust me, they tried to pay *him* before they could! lol.

Huskerpapa

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A wild thought...college sports have now become a morphed minor league sports bastion.  

Players will "graduate" from minor league college programs to major league sports such as NBA, WNBA, NFL, MLB and so forth.  I mean it has always been that way; but before, players seemed to play for the school, so to speak, and now they will be playing for dollars and major league preparation. 

Now the big questions will be how long the mega donors will continue to blindly fund these minor league institutions AND how long will fan support continue for these programs AND how long will networks pay and prop up the funding of the minor league programs?

Sports are an outlet for fans, and popularity can change generation to generation.  A generation or two ago, baseball was, by far, the national past time.  Soccer was something played overseas, not here.  But things change.

I am not a doomsday type of person; yet college sports in general is going to start changing fairly dramatically.   Definitely great for the players in the short term; but I am worried about the future of college sports...at least a bit.

Cazzie22

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The paying of college athletes is out of control.  There is a lack of equity and equality between schools.  Apparently, the SEC and the B1G don’t care.  The value of a college degree is still high but it’s never enough.

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1 hour ago, Cazzie22 said:

The paying of college athletes is out of control.  There is a lack of equity and equality between schools.  Apparently, the SEC and the B1G don’t care.  The value of a college degree is still high but it’s never enough.

There has never been equity and equality between schools. Now it’s just happening on top of the table instead of underneath.

Fullbacksympathy

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On 5/24/2024 at 3:08 PM, Huskerpapa said:

A wild thought...college sports have now become a morphed minor league sports bastion.  

Players will "graduate" from minor league college programs to major league sports such as NBA, WNBA, NFL, MLB and so forth.  I mean it has always been that way; but before, players seemed to play for the school, so to speak, and now they will be playing for dollars and major league preparation. 

Now the big questions will be how long the mega donors will continue to blindly fund these minor league institutions AND how long will fan support continue for these programs AND how long will networks pay and prop up the funding of the minor league programs?

Sports are an outlet for fans, and popularity can change generation to generation.  A generation or two ago, baseball was, by far, the national past time.  Soccer was something played overseas, not here.  But things change.

I am not a doomsday type of person; yet college sports in general is going to start changing fairly dramatically.   Definitely great for the players in the short term; but I am worried about the future of college sports...at least a bit.


If the ship gets taken down by apathy, Nebraska will be literally the last place to sink.  
 

I do think what you describe will happen in other places, but highly doubt it happens here.  As a result, I’m guessing we’ll continue to see more improvement in sports across the board (we already are) and it will feed the fuel even more.  
 

Without NIL and now this, I think Nebraska was done for.  Now fans and their pockets are literally competing with other fans’ pockets.  We will likely win that battle 95% of the time. 
 

NIL, from a competitive standpoint, is the best thing that’s happened to Husker sports this century.  We were dead in the water.  Go constitution.  

kldm64

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On 5/24/2024 at 3:08 PM, Huskerpapa said:

A wild thought...college sports have now become a morphed minor league sports bastion.  

Players will "graduate" from minor league college programs to major league sports such as NBA, WNBA, NFL, MLB and so forth.  I mean it has always been that way; but before, players seemed to play for the school, so to speak, and now they will be playing for dollars and major league preparation. 

Now the big questions will be how long the mega donors will continue to blindly fund these minor league institutions AND how long will fan support continue for these programs AND how long will networks pay and prop up the funding of the minor league programs?

Sports are an outlet for fans, and popularity can change generation to generation.  A generation or two ago, baseball was, by far, the national past time.  Soccer was something played overseas, not here.  But things change.

I am not a doomsday type of person; yet college sports in general is going to start changing fairly dramatically.   Definitely great for the players in the short term; but I am worried about the future of college sports...at least a bit.

 

I would agree.  As a player, this is all great news but as a fan, I liked the old model where you had to keep your amateur status to play college sports.  Now the only difference between college and pro's is one you get recruited and the other, you get drafted.  And 18-20 year old kids will just shop around every year to see if they can get a bigger paycheck.  So just because you get a "Dylan Raiola" as a recruit doesn't mean he will be here longer than one season if he can get a bigger paycheck somewhere else.  Money changes things as it's usually not for the better.

Chuck Taylor

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College football and men's basketball have been minor league sports systems since the '50s, imo. It used to be masked in "amateurism," even though athletes got benefits that went beyond those of ordinary students on scholarship (money under the table, "summer jobs," extra tickets, etc.). Academics have always been a matter of finding ways to keep players eligible. I shared a major with one of our top football players when I was a student and didn't have a single class with him in 4 years.  The NCAA cracked down at some point and made it harder to get by with some of this stuff, but it continued.

The last few years have chipped away at my love for college sports.

 

As for now, why not pay the players out in the open? 

Why bother having them be students if they don't want to be? 

Why does there have have to be a limit on the number of years of "eligibility"?

 

Not sure how I'll feel about it when this stuff is resolved.

Huskerpapa

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Chuck, I don't have answers to your questions per se; but those questions apply to many aspects of life.  For example, why have traffic rules, as they are broken nearly every day, by nearly everyone?  And damn the police for their audacity of stopping just me, when everyone is breaking them and not getting caught???

 

Without rules, you have chaos; which is what we seemingly have now.  It appears that college will now have pro sports.  Soon, high school administrators will face the same issues.

 

Somehow, parameters, regulations and rules need to be established.  The new college reality is here.  Workers Compensation, employment laws and so forth are now in play.  Man, this will be an interesting ride.

49r

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I am not certain how things will go in this new environment, or if I will prefer this new model to the old one, but I also think that's irrelevant.  My opinion on the subject is not going to change one iota of how the landscape looks going forward.

 

But I do know that removing "amateurism" from the Olympics hasn't reduced its popularity one bit.  So, IMO, there is the strong likelihood that college sports will survive this paradigm shift just fine as well.

Chuck Taylor

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I'm not suggesting college sports is going away, but removing the illusion of student athletes will no doubt affect perceptions of the sport. So will the proliferation of sports betting. I already see changes in attitude on the board, letting go of things we thought DONU represented. 

49r

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2 hours ago, Chuck Taylor said:

I'm not suggesting college sports is going away, but removing the illusion of student athletes will no doubt affect perceptions of the sport. So will the proliferation of sports betting. I already see changes in attitude on the board, letting go of things we thought DONU represented. 

 

I don't think that College athletics as we know it now will go away either.  Just that there will be a group of schools (Nebraska may be in this group) that will break away and form their own division that is essentially professional, but the smaller schools in lower divisions will stick to the amateur model.  What that means is for those of us that crave that level of elite amateurism we'll probably be more interested in following schools like South Dakota State or Nebraska Wesleyan.  This is probably a breakaway that is in need of happening anyway, there are just way too many schools competing at the same "level" for championships.  I mean it's just patently absurd that a school like Wyoming is expected to compete with Ohio State to win a national championship with probably 1/10 of the budget.

Cazzie22

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$$$$$$$$ is driving everything.  Ticket buyers and boosters are eventually going to reach a breaking point.  Even TV revenues cannot continue to grow. There is not an infinite amount of money.  Fans at NU are expected to continue to park their behinds in the limited size South Stadium without adding any amenities.  Aging ticket holders are not going to be replaced unless NU wins with regularity and wins big.  Even Matt Ruhle recognizes the need to win to be relevant.

 

No one can tell me College Scholarship is not a valuable commodity when taxpayers are being asked to bail out student loans for those that chose degrees that are not in demand.  My apology if this is construed as political but my point was to show that a college education has been highly valued in our society, so much so that individuals were willing to go into major debt.  A four year scholarship under the old system was nothing to sniff at and at least there were some enforcement guidelines. I am not against NIL or paying players but there is not an effective means to govern the system.  I fear the future of Intercollegiate Athletics.

HuskerFever

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9 hours ago, kldm64 said:

I would agree.  As a player, this is all great news but as a fan, I liked the old model where you had to keep your amateur status to play college sports.  Now the only difference between college and pro's is one you get recruited and the other, you get drafted.  And 18-20 year old kids will just shop around every year to see if they can get a bigger paycheck.  So just because you get a "Dylan Raiola" as a recruit doesn't mean he will be here longer than one season if he can get a bigger paycheck somewhere else.  Money changes things as it's usually not for the better.

 

However, one of the greatest things about this system is a kid who's under the radar and only gets recruited to a small school to play basketball. He's now able to earn his way into a P5 school much more easily than ever before and have a very successful collegiate career at the highest level.

cipsucks

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31 minutes ago, Cazzie22 said:

 

No one can tell me College Scholarship is not a valuable commodity when taxpayers are being asked to bail out student loans for those that chose degrees that are not in demand. 

 

I don't think I've been asked to bail out any student loan. It was a wham, bam thank you ma'am.  

 

 

cornfed24-7

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17 minutes ago, Cazzie22 said:

$$$$$$$$ is driving everything.  Ticket buyers and boosters are eventually going to reach a breaking point.  Even TV revenues cannot continue to grow. There is not an infinite amount of money.  Fans at NU are expected to continue to park their behinds in the limited size South Stadium without adding any amenities.  Aging ticket holders are not going to be replaced unless NU wins with regularity and wins big.  Even Matt Ruhle recognizes the need to win to be relevant.

 

No one can tell me College Scholarship is not a valuable commodity when taxpayers are being asked to bail out student loans for those that chose degrees that are not in demand.  My apology if this is construed as political but my point was to show that a college education has been highly valued in our society, so much so that individuals were willing to go into major debt.  A four year scholarship under the old system was nothing to sniff at and at least there were some enforcement guidelines. I am not against NIL or paying players but there is not an effective means to govern the system.  I fear the future of Intercollegiate Athletics.

Parts of your argument is what I believe as well. Specifically, that the current system will lead to the downfall of college athletics as we know them. 

We won't see this happen for DECADES. 

Fans the way fans need to be created to sustain the level of revenue that keeps this whole thing humming along won't be created any more. Not the numbers you need anyway. 

But ultimately this argument is moot. The NCAA is done. Everything that is happening now is just the death weeze until the 2 super conferences are born. Then we can just blame the downfall on that 😉

 

 

 

kldm64

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13 hours ago, HuskerFever said:

 

However, one of the greatest things about this system is a kid who's under the radar and only gets recruited to a small school to play basketball. He's now able to earn his way into a P5 school much more easily than ever before and have a very successful collegiate career at the highest level.

 

You might need to explain this to me a little more.  I would think the opposite.  With the amount of money these kids are making, they are staying in college longer and thus having less spots for kids from small schools to move up because there are less spots available on a P5 school.  I'm just not understanding how it would be more easy now for a kid to work his way into a P5 school if kids aren't leaving school at the rate they used to because they are making millions to stick around at the P5 schools.  So how it is easier than ever for a kid to work his way into a P5 school?

HuskerFever

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3 hours ago, kldm64 said:

 

You might need to explain this to me a little more.  I would think the opposite.  With the amount of money these kids are making, they are staying in college longer and thus having less spots for kids from small schools to move up because there are less spots available on a P5 school.  I'm just not understanding how it would be more easy now for a kid to work his way into a P5 school if kids aren't leaving school at the rate they used to because they are making millions to stick around at the P5 schools.  So how it is easier than ever for a kid to work his way into a P5 school?

 

Brice Williams (Charlotte), Rienk Mast (Bradley), Andrew Morgan (North Dakota State), Keisei Tominaga (Ranger College), Josiah Allick (New Mexico State) just to name from 1 university in the last year.

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