Video Review Rules

[HuskerBB]

Following up on confusion in the game thread I tried to google the video review rules for NCAA basketball but came up blank.  Some you tube videos popped up - but not up to watching them tonight.  Would be interest if anyone knows what exactly the rules are - or can post a link to them.   Looking for what calls can be reviewed - and to the extent it changes based on game time how that comes in.  I know for checks on 3 point vs. 2 point shots they wait until the next dead ball to do the review - until the last four minutes when they will stop the game for that review.  I also a pretty sure that inside a minute left they can review out of bounds calls but not before then.   Obviously interest in whether the rules would have allowed them review that ridiculous call giving Iowa the basket in overtime.  Obviously if they had looked at that replay they would have seen that was a mistake.  But beyond that I am curious about what exactly can be reviewed?  Is it just the things mentioned above plus flagrant foul calls and correcting clock time?  Or are there other things they can review?   One would think they would be able to review whether or not a ball actually went in the basket when they obviously have no clue like on that play tonight - but not sure if that is the case.

 

 

 

[royalfan]

Very curious myself.  Was maddening knowing how important that call was at the time.  We had the game on lock down if they didn't give him the hoop.  But knowing the result, I think it is better this way.  Another obstacle we stared down. 

[Huskerpapa]

I was more than confused last night as well.  I seem to recall referees going to video throughout the game.  That seemed like a no-brainer last night.  Someone was trying to clarify it last night, but it became even more confusing to me. 

 

Another point of confusion was regarding Jok's fouls.  I thought Fran was going to go after someone on the scorers table.  Wonder if someone said something.

[HB]

23 minutes ago, huskercwg said:

I was more than confused last night as well.  I seem to recall referees going to video throughout the game.  That seemed like a no-brainer last night.  Someone was trying to clarify it last night, but it became even more confusing to me. 

 

Another point of confusion was regarding Jok's fouls.  I thought Fran was going to go after someone on the scorers table.  Wonder if someone said something.

 

Or if Fran is a raging lunatic

[Ron Mexico]

Why Fran didn't get T'd up in the 2nd OT is beyond me.

[royalfan]

Davidson was mad as hell about the whole situation when I listened back to the broadcast. 

[atskooc]

Just now, royalfan said:

Davidson was mad as hell about the whole situation when I listened back to the broadcast. 

 

[aphilso1]

49 minutes ago, Ron Mexico said:

Why Fran didn't get T'd up in the 2nd OT is beyond me.

In fairness, both coaches could've been T'd up at multiple points throughout the game.  Tim slapping the floor to one-up the ref would've been a technical had he done that in a road game.  But at home you can sometimes get away with that kind of showmanship.

[atskooc]

7 minutes ago, aphilso1 said:

In fairness, both coaches could've been T'd up at multiple points throughout the game.  Tim slapping the floor to one-up the ref would've been a technical had he done that in a road game.  But at home you can sometimes get away with that kind of showmanship.

Yup.

 

There were several times when I thought Tim was close to getting a T.

[HuskerBB]

I don't usually like to talk about the refereeing after games are over - but that was one of the worst games I can remember from a refereeing standpoint.  In the first half they swallowed their whistles on numerous obvious calls and then they completely lost control of the game in the 2nd.  Hard to blame the coaches for complaining at that game.  I have seen Jr High girls games that were better officiated than what we had last night.  (Actually that is probably an exaggeration as I don't go to Jr High girls games   - but I am confident the point is true).

 

 

[49r]

9 hours ago, HuskerBB said:

Following up on confusion in the game thread I tried to google the video review rules for NCAA basketball but came up blank.  Some you tube videos popped up - but not up to watching them tonight.  Would be interest if anyone knows what exactly the rules are - or can post a link to them.   Looking for what calls can be reviewed - and to the extent it changes based on game time how that comes in.  I know for checks on 3 point vs. 2 point shots they wait until the next dead ball to do the review - until the last four minutes when they will stop the game for that review.  I also a pretty sure that inside a minute left they can review out of bounds calls but not before then.   Obviously interest in whether the rules would have allowed them review that ridiculous call giving Iowa the basket in overtime.  Obviously if they had looked at that replay they would have seen that was a mistake.  But beyond that I am curious about what exactly can be reviewed?  Is it just the things mentioned above plus flagrant foul calls and correcting clock time?  Or are there other things they can review?   One would think they would be able to review whether or not a ball actually went in the basket when they obviously have no clue like on that play tonight - but not sure if that is the case.

 

 

Do we know for sure it was a mistake?  I mean it is possible (and Kugler and Bardo didn't think to mention the possibility during the broadcast) that the call was a Morrow goaltend on the original shot and offensive foul.  It's the only thing that makes any logical sense to me.  He was very close to touching the ball while it was still in the cylinder it looked like.

 

It would be nice to get come clarification from someone who knows what the call actually was.

[atskooc]

3 minutes ago, 49r said:

 

Do we know for sure it was a mistake?  I mean it is possible (and Kugler and Bardo didn't think to mention the possibility during the broadcast) that the call was a Morrow goaltend on the original shot and offensive foul.  It's the only thing that makes any logical sense to me.  He was very close to touching the ball while it was still in the cylinder it looked like.

 

It would be nice to get come clarification from someone who knows what the call actually was.

Someone said the play-by-play on ESPN called it a made basket, not a goaltend.

[49r]

12 minutes ago, atskooc said:

Someone said the play-by-play on ESPN called it a made basket, not a goaltend.

 

I saw that too, but is that in any way an official account of what the call actually was?  I'm asking because I honestly don't know.

[atskooc]

Just now, 49r said:

 

I saw that too, but is that in any way an official account of what the call actually was?  I'm asking because I honestly don't know.

It's more official than anything else we've got right now, I guess.

 

Not sure if Huskers.com would have the play-by-play up yet.

[HuskerBB]

15 minutes ago, 49r said:

 

Do we know for sure it was a mistake?  I mean it is possible (and Kugler and Bardo didn't think to mention the possibility during the broadcast) that the call was a Morrow goaltend on the original shot and offensive foul.  It's the only thing that makes any logical sense to me.  He was very close to touching the ball while it was still in the cylinder it looked like.

 

It would be nice to get come clarification from someone who knows what the call actually was.

 

I have only watched the reply at the game but I thought it was pretty clear the Iowa guy tipped it in - and that it was off the cylinder when he did.  Regardless I am pretty certain that is not what they called.   When McCaffrey and the Iowa coaches started begging for the made hoop (well after the play was over and after the ref had already reported the foul to the scorers bench) the refs just kind of looked at each other like what is he talking about.  Then they huddled and decided to count the bucket.  I am pretty certain none of them had any idea that the ball had actually ended up going through the hoop.  When Iowa complained they must have thought - "Oh it went in? and assumed it was a result of the initial shot (which arguably came before the foul although not even sure about that part).  I don't think any of them even saw what happened at the hoop later and it was pretty clear to me they were not even thinking goaltending was involved at all.

 

 

[Blindcheck]

 

In this play, why did the officials think the basket should count, they either thought.

 

1. that the initial shot went in and they missed the tip in

2. that the initial shot was goaltended

3. that the foul occurred after the tip in (which it did Not)

 

Now, depending on what is reviewable, it really depends on what initial ruling was.

 

Looking up what I could find on replay rules....

They cannot review a basket interference and they can only check scoring if it was an official scorers mistake or if it was 2 or a 3...based on what I read, I don't think they could go to replay in this instance.

 

NCAA Rules 2014-2015 Replay starts on page 98

 

Also, a correctable scoring error..it looks like they could review a correctable scoring error, but not if it was an error in judgment.

 

e. Erroneously counting or canceling a score. Note: In order for this to be a correctable error, the official must have erred in counting or canceling a successful try for goal according to a rule

 

A correctable error does not involve an error in judgment.

 

 

[Silverbacked1]

I didn't ever see it go in either, that is why I couldn't believe they were giving a basket in the first place.

 

And I think Franny or Fran (which does he like better EAST OF OMAHA?) went nuts when they said it was Jok's 5th.  

 

But man that was unreal how he was allowed do that and not anything happen.  

 

I think that the Ref's just didn't want to T up anybody because then they would have had to give a whole bunch.

 

 

[TheKamdyMan]

45 minutes ago, 49r said:

 

Do we know for sure it was a mistake?  I mean it is possible (and Kugler and Bardo didn't think to mention the possibility during the broadcast) that the call was a Morrow goaltend on the original shot and offensive foul.  It's the only thing that makes any logical sense to me.  He was very close to touching the ball while it was still in the cylinder it looked like.

 

It would be nice to get come clarification from someone who knows what the call actually was.

 

You cant review a goaltending call nor can you overturn it even if one occurred.  If it were in the last minute they could review whether the call came before the basket occurred, which we all know it did.  Theres a reason they kept showing the call from the official raising his band before the ball was even touched.  Pretty messed up and Im sure the Big offices will be hearing about it.

Edited January 6, 2017 by TheKamdyMan

[Bugeaters1]

Yup.
 
There were several times when I thought Tim was close to getting a T.

I'm one of the OT'S Miles was going ape shit and my wife kept saying don't get a T don't get T.

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[rr52]

After rewatching the game (crapfest reffing contest), Bardo got an explanation. Bardo was told and says, "The shot was up in the air and the foul was called so the basket counts." By that explanation none of the dumba** refs even saw the ball get tipped in. If anyone wants to check to see if I'm understanding it right and they have the game DVR'd it occurred with 1:51 left in 2nd OT.

Edited January 6, 2017 by rr52

[PimpMario]

Tims "passion" is a problem that will cost us a game in the future unless he can figure out how to control it and use it to his advantage.

[HuskerBB]

As I said before I am pretty certain none of the refs saw the tip at all.  I really don't think they had any idea the ball went in the basket at all until the Iowa coaches told them it did.  Clearly they did not call goaltending because it was long after the play was over before they counted the basket.

 

Yes, McCaffrey did not go nuts when he was asking for the basket.  He was out on the court doing the made basket motion - as were several other Iowa coaches but really that was just asking the refs whether or not the basket counted (and the refs looked back at him like "what basket? the ball went in?).  Then the scorers table said (mistakenly) that Jok had fouled out which was when McCaffrey lost his mind for a bit.   That just added to the confusion overall and I think also made the refs focus on fixing that with the scorers table rather than thinking about how badly they had f'd up the call in counting the basket.

 

In a game filled with bad officiating that made basket call was truly a Don Deckinger level mistake (old St. Louis Cardinal fans will understand that reference to the worst officiating call ever made in organized sports).

 

 

 

 

Edited January 6, 2017 by HuskerBB

[hskr4life]

4 minutes ago, PimpMario said:

Tims "passion" is a problem that will cost us a game in the future unless he can figure out how to control it and use it to his advantage.

 

I don't think it's a problem.  Haven't seen one time where he crossed the line or did anything other coaches wouldn't do.

 

"Passion" is something every coach needs to have.

[PimpMario]

 

I don't think it's a problem.  Haven't seen one time where he crossed the line or did anything other coaches wouldn't do.

 

"Passion" is something every coach needs to have.

Doesn't he get a lot of Ts?

I mean he has gotten kicked out of every NCAA tournament game Nebraska has had in 15+ years!

It also seem like he is way more animated in big games.

Thankfully we have important games again.

[Silverbacked1]

29 minutes ago, HuskerBB said:

As I said before I am pretty certain none of the refs saw the tip at all.  I really don't think they had any idea the ball went in the basket at all until the Iowa coaches told them it did.  Clearly they did not call goaltending because it was long after the play was over before they counted the basket.

 

Yes, McCaffrey did not go nuts when he was asking for the basket.  He was out on the court doing the made basket motion - as were several other Iowa coaches but really that was just asking the refs whether or not the basket counted (and the refs looked back at him like "what basket? the ball went in?).  Then the scorers table said (mistakenly) that Jok had fouled out which was when McCaffrey lost his mind for a bit.   That just added to the confusion overall and I think also made the refs focus on fixing that with the scorers table rather than thinking about how badly they had f'd up the call in counting the basket.

 

In a game filled with bad officiating that made basket call was truly a Don Deckinger level mistake (old St. Louis Cardinal fans will understand that reference to the worst officiating call ever made in organized sports).

 

 

 

 

 

That is what I also thought.  

 

And as I said earlier I didn't know it went in at all until they showed the review on the big screen.  

 

So then I had to really yell louder.