Fire Miles Talk (complete BS)

[49r]

12 minutes ago, Silverbacked1 said:

 

Yeah our Zone Busters are just Busting right now.  Hope that changes, and soon.   

 

You noticed I used the words "slump" and "bust" in my post, too, eh?

[colhusker]

1 hour ago, Swan88 said:

Hmmmm . . . deeply profound.  Didn't know Danny Nee had that amount of depth.

That was about the extent of it.

[bigred4]

49 minutes ago, 49r said:

 

Anybody that didn't realize this was going to be the case this year before the season even began especially considering the youth on our roster and the difficulty of our non-con was delusional.  For those that wanted wins, beating Dayton was probably the worst thing that could have happened so far.

 

So why now all of a sudden are we pissed that we aren't winning very many games?  I don't get it.

 

We are young in terms of class, with 4 sophs playing a lot, but those guys played a lot last year.  Miles said before the year they in terms of minutes played they are closer to juniors then anything.  We also have a four year starter in our top 9, two junior transfer that have played D-1 before, so 7 out of our top 9 have decent experience. 

 

I am hopeful that Roby and Gill can turn the corner after both missed extensive time in the offseason.  Look like Gill might have vs. Kansas.  Roby may be similar to Morrow where we won't see his full potential until next year.

 

Hopefully we see more of Morrow and Jordy on the floor together, that will help Morrow if he is not going up against 7 footers all game.

[hhcmatt]

2 hours ago, LK1 said:

I generally agree, and I think anyone that is concerned about fielding a strong offensive roster should probably go watch Nana's film.

 

The suggestion that we pin our next season's hopes on a freshman who will probably struggle like almost all freshman do is not exactly a ringing endorsement of where we are at. I'd put a lot more weight on Gill and any of our current freshman.

[Huskerpapa]

Pretty simple really, we are getting open looks, the expectation is to knock those shots down.  Youth brings inconsistency.  We are going to get it going, and that will bring wins.  But we will also have dreadful shooting nights that will create more angst for the "fans." 

[Dead Dog Alley]

8 hours ago, Swan88 said:

Hmmmm . . . deeply profound.  Didn't know Danny Nee had that amount of depth.

 

Danny's stated strategy before one season was, "This year we're going to shoot it before we turn it over."

[Fastbreaker]

1 hour ago, Dead Dog Alley said:

 

Danny's stated strategy before one season was, "This year we're going to shoot it before we turn it over."

You all make fun of Danny Nee yet he is the most successful coach at Nebraska since maybe forever.  

[49r]

1 hour ago, Fastbreaker said:

You all make fun of Danny Nee yet he is the most successful coach at Nebraska since maybe forever.  

 

He does still hold the career wins record at NU.

[colhusker]

1 hour ago, Fastbreaker said:

You all make fun of Danny Nee yet he is the most successful coach at Nebraska since maybe forever.  

Oh I would take Danny back in a heart beat if it meant the same success

[Dead Dog Alley]

16 hours ago, Fastbreaker said:

You all make fun of Danny Nee yet he is the most successful coach at Nebraska since maybe forever.  

Here's some stats from the year I'm referring to.

 

They lost to Creighton for the first time in 8 years, lost to Hawaii by 25, and lost to Kansas in the conference tournament by 32.  They didn't have much depth, with only 10 non-red shirting scholarship players and no seniors on scholarship. The ninth through fourteenth players on the roster averaged 3 minutes on the season COMBINED. Only three players had more than one year of prior experience.

 

They averaged 17 turnovers a game. The starting front line (the 5, 4, and 3) combined to shoot 51.7% from the free throw line and went 1-5 from the 3 point line. (That is, 5 attempts total in 32 games.) The starting SG shot 29% from 3, and only 3 players had more than 7 3 point attempts. Only two players shot better than 65% from the line.

 

And, we haven't had a team as good as that one since, when our top four players were Lue, Hamilton, Belcher, and Florence and we won 20 games and led Arkansas until late in the first round of the NCAA Tournament.

Edited December 17, 2016 by Dead Dog Alley

[hal9000]

You know, I think all this fire Miles talk is complete bs. 

[cozrulz]

On 12/16/2016 at 7:02 AM, Norm Peterson said:

 

Interesting question. I look forward to your analysis. 

 

Coaching is about winning.  So far Miles probably hasn't won enough.  If Miles can develop talent then I expect wins.  Even the NIT would be a good step.

[Norm Peterson]

1 hour ago, cozrulz said:

 

Coaching is about winning.  So far Miles probably hasn't won enough.  If Miles can develop talent then I expect wins.  Even the NIT would be a good step.

 

 But that is more of a conclusion. I would like to read the analysis that leads you to that conclusion. 

[Huskerpapa]

Coach Miles really has this thing headed the right direction.  Would we like to be a wee bit further along, perhaps.  But if a person cannot see the progress, then that person is looking out of prejudiced eyes.  But I want to give you my brief version of our coaching history starting with Joe Cipriano.

Joe Cipriano - '63 to '80 - 254 wins, 3 NIT appearances, died while head coach

Moe Iba - '80 to '86 - 106 wins, plus in his final act took us to the NCAA tournament.  He endured chants such as Moe must go, dig up Joe.  Basically, he was run out of town...

Danny Nee - '86 to '00 - 254 wins, 3 NCAA tournament appearances, NIT Championship, Conference tournament championship...but Nebraska soured on him and he was fired.

Barry Collier - '00 to '06.  Losing record, 89 wins, two NIT appearances, including his last year.  He left town to become AD at Butler, but was not well liked, your cell phone is ringing!

Doc Sadler - '06 to '12 - 101 wins with 3 NIT appearances.  Easy to like, but struggled bringing in top level talent. Won with overachievers.  Fired.

Coach Miles - '12 to present - 73 wins with a NCAA appearance.  Easy to like, bringing in talent...

Edited December 17, 2016 by huskercwg

[colhusker]

18 hours ago, hal9000 said:

You know, I think all this fire Miles talk is complete bs. 

I think most rational posters here feel the same way.

[cozrulz]

1 hour ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

 But that is more of a conclusion. I would like to read the analysis that leads you to that conclusion. 

 

Wouldn't the analysis just go back to not winning?  I would guess most guys that spend some time in a program will improve their stats.  Are they winning games?

[bigred4]

One of the concerns I have with Miles is that in all of his previous stops he improved from year to year and here we have struggled the last 2 years and are .500 right now.   Maybe the NCAA tourney run put to high of expectations for the program for years 3,4,5.  I would guess nobody here would have said we would have missed all postseason the next 2 or maybe 3 years. 

 

With the schedule put together this year it has put us in position to make postseason with a  9-9 B1G record.  Luckily the B1G is down from prior years and that can be attainable.

 

He has recruited pretty good, save for shooters and a big man (Jordy looks like he will be good and could change that).  There has definitely been an upgrade in talent the last 2 classes especially with the Illinois guys.

 

A concern for next year is we are losing are best player and scorer in Tai and I wonder where the scoring will come from night in and night out.

 

 

[brfrad]

14 minutes ago, bigred4 said:

A concern for next year is we are losing are best player and scorer in Tai and I wonder where the scoring will come from night in and night out.

 

 

Somebody will take over scoring.  This year, Tai is 7.0 PPG more than last year, Watson is 4.0 PPG more than last year, Morrow is scoring 6.0 PPG more than last year.  That is 17 PPG that we lost with Shields.  We don't stop scoring because we lose players.  Although at times it may seem like it.  Who knows?   By the end of the year, Gill could be that guy.

[Fullbacksympathy]

On 12/16/2016 at 1:17 PM, hhcdimes said:

 

The suggestion that we pin our next season's hopes on a freshman who will probably struggle like almost all freshman do is not exactly a ringing endorsement of where we are at. I'd put a lot more weight on Gill and any of our current freshman.

 

He's shooting over 50% from 3 his senior year.  He's a specialist.  We don't have one of those on the roster right now.  

[Norm Peterson]

14 hours ago, cozrulz said:

 

Wouldn't the analysis just go back to not winning?  I would guess most guys that spend some time in a program will improve their stats.  Are they winning games?

 

 No, the analysis would be whether we are winning at a level commensurate with the schedule, the talent and the development. And this year proves that you cannot simply look at the final win-loss record to determine whether we won enough or not. Obviously, this  season, with the schedule we've had, 5-5 is a pretty solid record. If we had played Rutgers'  schedule, I would expect we'd be 10-1. 

 

So, again, the answer to the question "are we winning enough?" is a conclusion rather than analysis.  The analysis is what leads to the conclusion.   Your conclusion seems to be that we are not winning enough and I am curious to read your analysis that leads you to that conclusion. 

Edited December 18, 2016 by Norm Peterson

[huskerbaseball13]

1 hour ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

 No, the analysis would be whether we are winning at a level commensurate with the schedule, the talent and the development. And this year proves that you cannot simply look at the final win-loss record to determine whether we won enough or not. Obviously, this  season, with the schedule we've had, 5-5 is a pretty solid record. If we had played Rutgers'  schedule, I would expect we'd be 10-1. 

 

So, again, the answer to the question "are we winning enough?" is a conclusion rather than analysis.  The analysis is what leads to the conclusion.   Your conclusion seems to be that we are not winning enough and I am curious to read your analysis that leads you to that conclusion. 

Can't speak for Coz but I'm guessing he's also including the last few years in his thoughts. And by his own admission Miles thought we would be a game or two ahead of where we are at now. The Clemson game could have very easily swung the other way and had that happened most would say we are sitting in good position despite Creighton running circles around us again and our offense looking well...offensive. The Big Ten is not great this year and we matchup well against quite a few of the opponents on our schedule. I look forward to seeing if this team progresses and can come away with 8-10 wins. 

[huskerbaseball13]

11 hours ago, LK1 said:

 

He's shooting over 50% from 3 his senior year.  He's a specialist.  We don't have one of those on the roster right now.  

Nana looks like a good prospect. But Dimes is right. If we are counting on Nana to be that three point shooter we are missing we will likely be disappointed again. Some said the same about Horne coming into the season and he's not really in the rotation at this point. We will likely have some attrition again at years end. Finding a 5th year transfer that can hit a jumper would be nice. 

[Fullbacksympathy]

13 minutes ago, huskerbaseball13 said:

Nana looks like a good prospect. But Dimes is right. If we are counting on Nana to be that three point shooter we are missing we will likely be disappointed again. Some said the same about Horne coming into the season and he's not really in the rotation at this point. We will likely have some attrition again at years end. Finding a 5th year transfer that can hit a jumper would be nice. 

 

Cary Cochran shot 40% his freshman season.  Shooting threes is what he did.  Nana looks to be a similar 3pt threat... you don't think it's reasonable to knock off 10% of his threes at the D1 level at 6'6"?  Nana is an AWIII replica with more upside, based on what I've seen.  It's not really too far stretched to be able to count on a shooter to shoot.  We counted on GWIII to be able to handle the ball, and he could, because that's what he does.  We've been asking Jack--who was not a sniper in high school--to be a sniper.  Nana is actually a sniper--he lives beyond the arc.  

[huskerbaseball13]

5 minutes ago, LK1 said:

 

Cary Cochran shot 40% his freshman season.  Shooting threes is what he did.  Nana looks to be a similar 3pt threat... you don't think it's reasonable to knock off 10% of his threes at the D1 level at 6'6"?  Nana is an AWIII replica with more upside, based on what I've seen.  It's not really too far stretched to be able to count on a shooter to shoot.  We counted on GWIII to be able to handle the ball, and he could, because that's what he does.  We've been asking Jack--who was not a sniper in high school--to be a sniper.  Nana is actually a sniper--he lives beyond the arc.  

Hope you're right. Obviously, under this staff his defensive abilities will dictate whether he plays or not. I'll be happy if he's above 35% from deep next year. 

[Norm Peterson]

57 minutes ago, huskerbaseball13 said:

Nana looks like a good prospect. But Dimes is right. If we are counting on Nana to be that three point shooter we are missing we will likely be disappointed again. Some said the same about Horne coming into the season and he's not really in the rotation at this point. We will likely have some attrition again at years end. Finding a 5th year transfer that can hit a jumper would be nice. 

 

Who said that Horne would be "that three point shooter we are missing"?  I don't recall that.