Navin R. Johnson Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 On 3/15/2025 at 4:55 PM, Vinny said: Am I hearing that Fred might be some sort of energy vampire? Expand Flag on the play. Excessive use of Jon Gordon quotes. HB and Vinny 2 Quote
cornfed24-7 Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 On 3/15/2025 at 4:52 PM, The Polish Rifle said: Fred’s been here for 6 years, Expand That 6 years spans 2 completely different eras of college basketball. He has 3 years in each era. The recruiting, NIL, and transfer rules of each era are nothing a like. And in the era we are in now Hoiberg has made the NCAA tournament and almost made the NCAA tournament. Serenity Now 1 Quote
throwback Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 Got a fool-proof plan to fix all our problems cornfed24-7, Cazzie22 and Nebrasketball1979 2 1 Quote
The Polish Rifle Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 On 3/15/2025 at 6:33 PM, cornfed24-7 said: That 6 years spans 2 completely different eras of college basketball. He has 3 years in each era. The recruiting, NIL, and transfer rules of each era are nothing a like. And in the era we are in now Hoiberg has made the NCAA tournament and almost made the NCAA tournament. Expand And in 2 of the past 3 years we’ve finished in the bottom 1/4th of the league. I understand it’s an unpopular opinion here but I think Fred struggles with roster construction, and feel we’re more than likely going to have a bottom 1/4th roster again next year. Fred himself said he “f’in hates recruiting and the other stuff”, that’s pretty much all that matters in CBB today. At ISU he had Otz who I think was perfect for doing the stuff Fred hates. As current staff is constructed I don’t see them able to build a great roster with NIL constraints. Not saying fire him, just healthy bit of skepticism going into what could be a make or break season. HB, cornfed24-7 and Cazzie22 1 2 Quote
Cazzie22 Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 What is Wisconsin paying? They are doing a great job in talent evaluation and development. Quote
cornfed24-7 Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 On 3/15/2025 at 6:51 PM, The Polish Rifle said: And in 2 of the past 3 years we’ve finished in the bottom 1/4th of the league. I understand it’s an unpopular opinion here but I think Fred struggles with roster construction, and feel we’re more than likely going to have a bottom 1/4th roster again next year. Fred himself said he “f’in hates recruiting and the other stuff”, that’s pretty much all that matters in CBB today. At ISU he had Otz who I think was perfect for doing the stuff Fred hates. As current staff is constructed I don’t see them able to build a great roster with NIL constraints. Not saying fire him, just healthy bit of skepticism going into what could be a make or break season. Expand I don't disagree with anything in your post. I'm mostly playing a quasi devils advocate here. Nothing that Hoiberg has done here gives me any confidence to argue he should be the guy going forward. On the flip side nothing about the apparent current NIL situation gives me any confidence to argue a change needs to be made. I am on the razors edge of indifference on who leads this program going into next season. I think it will be pretty apparent if Hoiberg should be the coach or not after next year. The Polish Rifle 1 Quote
hhcmatt Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 TBH after looking back after reading "Bottom 1/4th of the league" and seeing that we won 9 conference games 3 years ago and knowing how close we were in games this season I'm actually more encouraged. huskerkid21, LincecumFan, brfrad and 4 others 1 6 Quote
basketballjones Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 On 3/15/2025 at 6:33 PM, cornfed24-7 said: and almost made the NCAA tournament. Expand If we’re being fair and honest, and looking at this from an outsiders perspective - did he/we almost get in? I know it felt like we were due to how things were when we were an inflated 12-2. But we finished with 17 wins, 1 more game than 2 years ago, where we definitely weren’t “almost in.” We didn’t make our own conference tournament. In a couple years it will be hard for me to consider this a team that “almost made the tourney.” HB and B-town hoopsfan 2 Quote
HuskerFever Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 On 3/15/2025 at 11:46 PM, basketballjones said: If we’re being fair and honest, and looking at this from an outsiders perspective - did he/we almost get in? I know it felt like we were due to how things were when we were an inflated 12-2. But we finished with 17 wins, 1 more game than 2 years ago, where we definitely weren’t “almost in.” We didn’t make our own conference tournament. In a couple years it will be hard for me to consider this a team that “almost made the tourney.” Expand Depends on how you want to define "almost". But given a 6-game losing streak (which Purdue had 5) we still were in it through the end of the season. Given we lost SEVEN one-score games, the probabilities just aren't there that we'd lose that much. We also needed to win 2 of our last 5 games (and lost 5). So "almost in"? By my definition, absolutely. But that's subjective. basketballjones, huskerkid21 and thrasher31 3 Quote
basketballjones Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 The “our NIL is bad” side of this argument just getting a first round bye in this discussion is pretty unfair imo. I have been following NU Athletics closely my entire life. We are a conservative athletic department that is never at the top of spending. But rarely are we ever the flat out bottom. We typically are competitive. There’s also always many other perks and benefits, along with cost of living, that gets factored in. Quote
hhcmatt Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 On 3/15/2025 at 11:46 PM, basketballjones said: If we’re being fair and honest, and looking at this from an outsiders perspective - did he/we almost get in? I know it felt like we were due to how things were when we were an inflated 12-2. But we finished with 17 wins, 1 more game than 2 years ago, where we definitely weren’t “almost in.” We didn’t make our own conference tournament. In a couple years it will be hard for me to consider this a team that “almost made the tourney.” Expand We are on the list of either the first four out or the next four out despite losing 6 of our last 7. With how the Minnesota, Ohio St, and other close games went it's dumb how close we were cornfed24-7, Shawn Eichorst's Toupee, thrasher31 and 4 others 4 3 Quote
thrasher31 Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 On 3/16/2025 at 12:20 AM, hhcmatt said: We are on the list of either the first four out or the next four out despite losing 6 of our last 7. With how the Minnesota, Ohio St, and other close games went it's dumb how close we were Expand Bubble also being extremely weak helped. Just win a two of the one score games and they're safe. Quote
millerhusker Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 The roster was constructed pretty damn well in 22-23, but an all-american was removed from the equation just before school started. Keyontae Johnson had a freaking apartment picked out in Lincoln before Trev made the final call to not clear him (according to Washut). He went on to be a top 10 player in the country that year and imo would’ve been a perfect fit with Griesel, Walker and the shooters (Keisei, CJ, JL). Roburt Sallie all over again. huskerkid21, LNKtrnsplnt, B-town hoopsfan and 5 others 3 4 1 Quote
cornfed24-7 Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 On 3/15/2025 at 11:46 PM, basketballjones said: If we’re being fair and honest, and looking at this from an outsiders perspective - did he/we almost get in? I know it felt like we were due to how things were when we were an inflated 12-2. But we finished with 17 wins, 1 more game than 2 years ago, where we definitely weren’t “almost in.” We didn’t make our own conference tournament. In a couple years it will be hard for me to consider this a team that “almost made the tourney.” Expand Yes. We were ridiculously close. I'm as shocked and disgusted as you that I had to type we almost got in this year. Honestly it's what pisses me off the most about this year. We didn't look like a tournament team, didn't act like a tournament team, and quite often didn't play close to a tournament team. The one season we could sleep walk into the tournament because a multitude of variables break our way we shit the bed. thrasher31, millerhusker and roscoe 1 2 Quote
arliepro Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 On 3/15/2025 at 6:51 PM, The Polish Rifle said: And in 2 of the past 3 years we’ve finished in the bottom 1/4th of the league. I understand it’s an unpopular opinion here but I think Fred struggles with roster construction, and feel we’re more than likely going to have a bottom 1/4th roster again next year. Fred himself said he “f’in hates recruiting and the other stuff”, that’s pretty much all that matters in CBB today. At ISU he had Otz who I think was perfect for doing the stuff Fred hates. As current staff is constructed I don’t see them able to build a great roster with NIL constraints. Not saying fire him, just healthy bit of skepticism going into what could be a make or break season. Expand Is there any reason we couldn't get a GM for basketball? Quote
Vinny Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 Did we almost get in? We were 21 points across 7 games away from being 24-7 and hovering around the 4 line with Maryland, Michigan, Wisconsin and Purdue. It’s incredible the amount of heart break we’ve endured. basketballjones 1 Quote
hskr4life Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 On 3/16/2025 at 2:30 AM, Vinny said: Did we almost get in? We were 21 points across 7 games away from being 24-7 and hovering around the 4 line with Maryland, Michigan, Wisconsin and Purdue. It’s incredible the amount of heart break we’ve endured. Expand Need the Jumanji “What year is it” GIF for this one. Man seems like we’ve asked this question more than one year. basketballjones and Vinny 1 1 Quote
basketballjones Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 On 3/16/2025 at 2:30 AM, Vinny said: Did we almost get in? We were 21 points across 7 games away from being 24-7 and hovering around the 4 line with Maryland, Michigan, Wisconsin and Purdue. It’s incredible the amount of heart break we’ve endured. Expand I wouldn’t say it’s incredible. Just par for the course. cornfed24-7 and B-town hoopsfan 2 Quote
Vinny Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 On 3/16/2025 at 3:44 AM, basketballjones said: I wouldn’t say it’s incredible. Just par for the course. Expand An incredible course then. basketballjones, hhcmatt, Serenity Now and 1 other 4 Quote
hhcmatt Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 On 3/16/2025 at 2:26 AM, arliepro said: Is there any reason we couldn't get a GM for basketball? Expand I'm not entirely sure what the role of a basketball GM is. We have a "Recruiting Coordinator" in Paydn Borders so it seems like we already have a centralized recruiting system. Anyone know the difference in roles? Quote
LincecumFan Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 On 3/16/2025 at 3:52 PM, hhcmatt said: I'm not entirely sure what the role of a basketball GM is. We have a "Recruiting Coordinator" in Paydn Borders so it seems like we already have a centralized recruiting system. Anyone know the difference in roles? Expand We also have Luca Virgilio (sp?), Director of Basketball Strategies & Business Operations. Do not know which position is closer to a GM role. hhcmatt 1 Quote
basketballjones Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 Crazy... starting to think coaching matters. Quote
Nebrasketball1979 Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 2:34 PM, basketballjones said: Crazy... starting to think coaching matters. Expand It's obviously a balance. Fred the GM needs to help Fred the Coach but Nebraska needs to equip him with the resources that is better than below average in the Big 10. I'm not saying we need to have a $5M-$6M roster but if we're really at $2.3M, that's a large gap to consistently overcome. Coaching matters but having the Jimmy's and Joe's is critical as well. cornfed24-7 1 Quote
HuskerFever Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 2:34 PM, basketballjones said: Crazy... starting to think coaching matters. Expand Just apply for the job already! cornfed24-7 and LNKtrnsplnt 2 Quote
The Polish Rifle Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 2:41 PM, Nebrasketball1979 said: It's obviously a balance. Fred the GM needs to help Fred the Coach but Nebraska needs to equip him with the resources that is better than below average in the Big 10. I'm not saying we need to have a $5M-$6M roster but if we're really at $2.3M, that's a large gap to consistently overcome. Coaching matters but having the Jimmy's and Joe's is critical as well. Expand 100%. How we allocate funds is important too. Someone on another board sarcastically asked me if I was okay with Chucky giving 40% of our NIL budget. Hell yeah I am. I woulda much rather given Chucky 40% of our budget than Meah/Berke. Chucky/Gary/Williams core is winning a tournament game. roscoe, cornfed24-7 and basketballjones 3 Quote
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