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hskr4life

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16 hours ago, 75unlgrad said:

We are not getting the point guard production/big man production we need.  My starting line-up would be:

Brice Williams -- point guard

Connor Essegian -- shooting guard

Juwan Gary -- small forward

Berke Buyuktuncel -- power forward

Andrew Morgan -- center

 

I would like to see Gavin Griffiths get a few minutes each half.  He has potential to help us with perimeter shooting.

Worster, Meah, Ulis, and Hoiberg come off the bench.

 

I wouldn't mind getting Gavin some minutes. We were very much talking about how his D is a liability, but that was when the rest of the team was playing lockdown, won't let you score more than 65 points D. Now, with the majority of players struggling on that end of the floor, at least he might provide some space and another shooter on the other end.

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GhostOfJoeMcCray
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What I'm realizing is Rienk Mast was a bigger loss than I anticipated.   Here are some fun facts:   -Mast averaged 0.5 blocked shots per game. Rim protector Braxton Meah averages 0

Silverbacked1
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All I gotta say the summer between my freshman year and sophomore year in college met a nice girl that I started dating.  Had to go back to my college not here in Lincoln so I could keep playing foo

Navin R. Johnson
Navin R. Johnson

I was married, divorced and jobless by the age of 24 so I decided to go without a starting lineup for a few years.

GhostOfJoeMcCray

GhostOfJoeMcCray

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18 hours ago, 75unlgrad said:

We are not getting the point guard production/big man production we need.  My starting line-up would be:

Brice Williams -- point guard

Connor Essegian -- shooting guard

Juwan Gary -- small forward

Berke Buyuktuncel -- power forward

Andrew Morgan -- center

 

I would like to see Gavin Griffiths get a few minutes each half.  He has potential to help us with perimeter shooting.

Worster, Meah, Ulis, and Hoiberg come off the bench.

 

I'm with you. Even though Brice's turnover numbers this season are high, our best basketball last year was played with him running PG. Brice was scoring at an elite level last year functioning as our PG. He has become a stationary object on offense lately when we have the ball. He's being blanketed by opponents and isn't doing a whole lot without the ball. 

cozrulz

cozrulz

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2 hours ago, basketballjones said:

I am kinda done with this season because I am so disappointed in the product we are putting on the floor, the coaching, the lack of true support from 1890, etc... 

 

But call me crazy, I would start:

1. Bryce

2. Sam

3. Essegian

4. Juwan

5. Berke/Morgan (whoever is playing better)

 

Defense decides if you win games, offense decides by how much. What players you play in your normal rotation at P5, Division 1 basketball, shouldn't have a "massive" impact on your defense - that is - if you have an actual program and a recruiting philosophy. 

 

Yeah I think so.  Meah needs to be a changeup. 

 

I'd go with Berke since he can hit a three.  Spread the floor early.

GhostOfJoeMcCray

GhostOfJoeMcCray

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2 hours ago, basketballjones said:

I am kinda done with this season because I am so disappointed in the product we are putting on the floor, the coaching, the lack of true support from 1890, etc... 

 

But call me crazy, I would start:

1. Bryce

2. Sam

3. Essegian

4. Juwan

5. Berke/Morgan (whoever is playing better)

 

Defense decides if you win games, offense decides by how much. What players you play in your normal rotation at P5, Division 1 basketball, shouldn't have a "massive" impact on your defense - that is - if you have an actual program and a recruiting philosophy. 

 

I'm totally on board with this. It's almost time to start throwing something at the wall to see if it sticks. I'd remove Ulis and Meah minutes and give them to Gavin. Shorten the rotation. USC basically played 7 guys and one of them only got 9 minutes. 

 

Think about how last year, Tominaga, Wilcher, Williams, Mast and to some extent Lawrence were all 3-point weapons that opponents had to account for. 5 guys. Gary (30.6%) was someone opponents were fine with shooting.

 

This year it's Essegian and Williams. 2 guys. Berke (32.6%) and Gary (27.5%) our opponents are fine with shooting. Sam doesn't even average 1 attempt a game. 

 

It's a disaster really that Fred didn't find enough shooters after that being a strength of ours last year. We made 10+ 3s 16(!) times last year. We've done it only 3 times this year, all against awful teams. Fred thought this team's ability to get to the free throw line would offset that, but now in conference play we aren't getting fouled as much. 

 

They surely counted on Gavin to be one of those guys and probably figured at least one or two of Juwan/Worster/Ulis/Morgan/Berke would become a legitimate outside threat. However, they're 0/6. 

 

 

HB

HB

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1 hour ago, Faux Mike Peltz said:

Gavin isn’t very strong with the ball and his in game turnovers that led to run outs were a main reason why he didn’t see time - and he couldn’t hit his threes. 
seems like a ton of the load is on Brice and Juwan and it looks like they are both fighting through fatigue at times 

 

Not to mention he gets easily displaced on the boards, and can't guard anyone.  

thrasher31

thrasher31

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9 hours ago, basketballjones said:

I am kinda done with this season because I am so disappointed in the product we are putting on the floor, the coaching, the lack of true support from 1890, etc... 

 

But call me crazy, I would start:

1. Bryce

2. Sam

3. Essegian

4. Juwan

5. Berke/Morgan (whoever is playing better)

 

Defense decides if you win games, offense decides by how much. What players you play in your normal rotation at P5, Division 1 basketball, shouldn't have a "massive" impact on your defense - that is - if you have an actual program and a recruiting philosophy. 

I'm not with starting Connor yet honestly. He's found his shot of late thankfully, but if we're looking for defense, he's a guy who teams will hunt and target relentlessly. He's not strong, doesn't have a good wingspan, and isn't the team defender keisei or CJ were. He's gotten pinned down low on mismatches a few times already. I'm fine starting Sam I guess, but he's more an energy guy than a full time starter imo. Id keep rollie in with Sam personally. 

 

If Gavin can provide ANYTHING, he's an immediate move into rotation guy. 

 

Guys just have to play better at this point. Brice needs to be more efficient from 3, as does Gary. Berke is shooting well in conference play so far, but he's the only guy above 40% from 3 in conference play. Next closest is Connor at 36% (Sam is at 60%, but on very low volume). 

royalfan

royalfan

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14 hours ago, basketballjones said:

I am kinda done with this season because I am so disappointed in the product we are putting on the floor, the coaching, the lack of true support from 1890, etc... 

 

But call me crazy, I would start:

1. Bryce

2. Sam

3. Essegian

4. Juwan

5. Berke/Morgan (whoever is playing better)

 

Defense decides if you win games, offense decides by how much. What players you play in your normal rotation at P5, Division 1 basketball, shouldn't have a "massive" impact on your defense - that is - if you have an actual program and a recruiting philosophy. 

That is the lineup I said is best a couple posts prior.  

thrasher31

thrasher31

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1 hour ago, basketballjones said:

He’s shooting 41% from 3. You can’t keep him off the court. It’s malpractice.

Hide him defensively. Don’t start him in the bottom middle of the 2-3 match up so that he is in the position to get buried at the bottom. 

36%ish in conference play though, and that's after a few games stretch where he was hot. He got a few to go down vs Purdue late in the game which helped him of late. Before that and including that game he was shooting sub 30% in conference play, granted over a 5 game stretch.  That's what matters more. 

 

And I'm not saying don't play him. I just don't think you start him if they want defense out of the gate. 

 

And they won't run a zone. I don't think I've seen a zone once this year. It just won't happen. 

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GhostOfJoeMcCray

GhostOfJoeMcCray

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10 minutes ago, thrasher31 said:

36%ish in conference play though, and that's after a few games stretch where he was hot. He got a few to go down vs Purdue late in the game which helped him of late. Before that and including that game he was shooting sub 30% in conference play, granted over a 5 game stretch.  That's what matters more. 

 

And I'm not saying don't play him. I just don't think you start him if they want defense out of the gate. 

 

And they won't run a zone. I don't think I've seen a zone once this year. It just won't happen. 

 

Connor Essegian is our best +/- player on the season. His offensive presence does more good for us than his defensive presence does bad, as shown by him being our leading +/- on the season 2/3 the way through the season.

 

We can't act like we put some super tough, defensive stalwart lineup out there to start each half. Meah can't get back in transition and practically needs to be carried to the huddle after 5 consecutive minutes of playing. Berke is not in the best shape.

 

Down 10-6 to USC at the first media timeout. 

Down 10-7 to Maryland at the first media timeout. 

Rutgers was a good start, up 11-6 (Juwan made threes...)

Iowa, Purdue and UCLA were terrible starts with little to no defense and even worse offense. 

 

Maybe Essegian's presence on the floor would open up something for Brice and allow him to get to the rim early on. 

millerhusker

millerhusker

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2 hours ago, thrasher31 said:

36%ish in conference play though, and that's after a few games stretch where he was hot. He got a few to go down vs Purdue late in the game which helped him of late. Before that and including that game he was shooting sub 30% in conference play, granted over a 5 game stretch.  That's what matters more. 

 

And I'm not saying don't play him. I just don't think you start him if they want defense out of the gate. 

 

And they won't run a zone. I don't think I've seen a zone once this year. It just won't happen. 

He’s really only had two bad conference games shooting wise. 0-6 vs UCLA and 0-2 vs Michigan State. In the other games he’s shooting 44.4%. Iowa and Purdue were below average games for him, but he shot 50% or higher in each of the other four conference games. I don’t really like continuing to compare the two players, but looking at game logs that’s better consistency shooting the ball than Keisei (while shooting the exact same volume of attempts).

HuscurAdam

HuscurAdam

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On 1/24/2025 at 6:03 PM, thrasher31 said:

 

If Gavin can provide ANYTHING, he's an immediate move into rotation guy. 

 

Unfortunately, the only thing Gavin has shown he can provide is turnovers, so he has to stay a permanent fixture on the bench. It saddens me to say that because I was excited to land him and had extremely high expectations for him here. 

thrasher31

thrasher31

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On 1/24/2025 at 8:48 AM, basketballjones said:

I am kinda done with this season because I am so disappointed in the product we are putting on the floor, the coaching, the lack of true support from 1890, etc... 

 

But call me crazy, I would start:

1. Bryce

2. Sam

3. Essegian

4. Juwan

5. Berke/Morgan (whoever is playing better)

 

Defense decides if you win games, offense decides by how much. What players you play in your normal rotation at P5, Division 1 basketball, shouldn't have a "massive" impact on your defense - that is - if you have an actual program and a recruiting philosophy. 

This is what it ended up being, with Connor off for Berke. We'll see who they go to close the game though. 

hskr4life

hskr4life

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1 hour ago, AGHANSEN said:

I love Sam, but the fact that we were having discussions about Sam being in the starting lineup just shows you how screwed this team is. In no situation should Hoiberg ever be a Big Ten starter. 

 

I think he definitely earned the opportunity to start... but that also goes hand-in-hand with your point. 

hhcmatt

hhcmatt

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Putting in Morgan and Sam seemed like a weird way to "jump start" things because Morgan arguably gives you better offense and Sam gives you individual defense. I could see us trying to get ahead on offense at Wisconsin but who exactly are we trying to take away defensively on a Wisconsin team where basically everyone can hurt you?  Maybe Meah was a bad matchup for Wisky but all the numbers I look at show that at worst it doesn't matter if he's on or off the court and at best he gives you defense without hurting your offense.  I think we're finding it hard to use a guy who only dunks, blocks shots, and rebounds because for the most part we don't put him in a position to dunk lobs or block shots.

 

If we're looking to get ahead offensively, the answer is Essegian.  Given how he's the guy most wired to score on offense we could do worse than having him go full Keisei in terms of usage and build the team around protecting him on offense and defense.

 

 

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