KenPom 2023-2024 KenPom Rankings Thread

[Ron Mexico]

19 hours ago, kldm64 said:

Just think what things would look like had we not collapsed in the 2nd half at Minnesota and have another road win.  We'd be 10-1 overall and 2-0 in conference play.  Amazing how 1 game can change so much.

Great point. That game could end up haunting us down the road.

[hskr4life]

An 11 spot drop in the NET from 49 to 60.

[kldm64]

1 hour ago, hskr4life said:

An 11 spot drop in the NET from 49 to 60.

 

Not surprised as deserved to drop after a slim margin win at home against a team should have won easily.  

[thrasher31]

Michigan State is helping us in the NET. They jumped to 33 from 42 after beating down Stony Brook last night. Without playing a game, we jumped from 60 to 56. Sweet spot will be MSU jumping to top 30 so we can put that in as a Q1 win, which would be first on the year. 

[Nebrasketball1979]

3 minutes ago, thrasher31 said:

Michigan State is helping us in the NET. They jumped to 33 from 42 after beating down Stony Brook last night. Without playing a game, we jumped from 60 to 56. Sweet spot will be MSU jumping to top 30 so we can put that in as a Q1 win, which would be first on the year. 

 

The real sweet spot should be getting to 11-12+ conference wins!

[hskr4life]

I have some time today, so I did a NET deep dive for anyone who is interested.  A four spot bump in the NET today thanks to teams we beat exceeding expectations!

 

- Michigan St up to #33 which is 3 spots away from making that a Q1 win for us.

- Kansas St up to #86 which is 11 spots away from making that a Q1 win for us.

- Oregon St up to #198 which bumps that from a Q4 win to a Q3 win.  They would have to get into the Top 100 to make it a Q2, so that's unlikely to happen.

- Minnesota at #87 remains well into Q2 loss territory. As long as they can play semi-well, that loss won't be as big of a black eye as one might have thought when it happened.

 

Resume As Of Today (56 NET): It's not as bad as you might think. It's certainly bubble worthy as it stands, but also isn't NCAA Lock worthy either.  Lot's of opportunity in conference play.

Q1 (0-1): Creighton 

Q2 (3-1): Duquesne, @Minny, MSU, @KSU

Q3 (1-0): Oregon St.

Q4 (6-0): Lindenwood, FL A&M, Rider, Stoney Brook, Fullerton, North Dakota

 

Remaining Quads As Of Today: Reminder that these will fluctuate throughout the season as teams move up and down.  Here is what we're looking at as of today.

 

Q1: @Wisconsin, Purdue, @Iowa, Wisconsin, @Illinois, @Northwestern, @Ohio State, @Michigan

Q2: @Rutgers, Northwestern, Ohio State, Michigan, @Indiana

Q3: Indiana, @Maryland, Penn St, Minnesota, Rutgers

Q4: SCST

Edited December 22, 2023 by hskr4life

[thrasher31]

2 minutes ago, hskr4life said:

I have some time today, so I did a NET deep dive for anyone who is interested.  A four spot bump in the NET today thanks to teams we beat exceeding expectations!

 

- Michigan St up to #33 which is 3 spots away from making that a Q1 win for us.

- Kansas St up to #86 which is 11 spots away from making that a Q1 win for us.

- Oregon St up to #198 which bumps that from a Q4 win to a Q3 win.  They would have to get into the Top 100 to make it a Q2, so that's unlikely to happen.

- Minnesota at #87 remains well into Q2 loss territory. As long as they can play semi-well, that loss won't be as big of a black eye as one might have thought when it happened.

 

Resume As Of Today: It's not as bad as you might think. It's certainly bubble worthy as it stands, but also isn't NCAA Lock worthy either.  Lot's of opportunity in conference play.

Q1 (0-1): Creighton 

Q2 (3-1): Duquesne, Minny, MSU, KSU

Q3 (1-0): Oregon St.

Q4 (6-0): Lindenwood, FL A&M, Rider, Stoney Brook, Fullerton, North Dakota

 

Remaining Quads As Of Today: Reminder that these will fluctuate throughout the season as teams move up and down.  Here is what we're looking at as of today.

 

Q1: @Wisconsin, Purdue, @Iowa, Wisconsin, @Illinois, @Northwestern, @Ohio State, @Michigan

Q2: @Rutgers, Northwestern, Ohio State, Michigan, @Indiana

Q3: Indiana, @Maryland, Penn St, Minnesota, Rutgers

Q4: SCST

Good job on this. Getting KSU and MSU up to Q1 wins will certainly help a lot. Going 4-4 with those Q1 games may be unreasonable but getting a few of those should be on the table. Plenty of opportunities in front of us. Need to sweep q3/4 though. Maryland away is the one that concerns me a bit. 

[hskr4life]

My initial thoughts with the above...

 

- There will be a lot of movement between now and the end of the year.  Some of those Q3 games are teetering on the Q2 line and some of the Q2 games are teetering with Q1 territory.  However, things could also move the other way.

 

- The problem with the B1G this year appears to be your home games.  Because teams are flirting with the Q2/Q3 line when you play them at home, a loss in a home game could prove costly. It'll be important for us to lock down the vault from now until March.

 

- The lack of Q1 home opportunities.  We have two as of today.  Wisconsin and Purdue.  Otherwise, if we want to do any Q1 work, it'll have to be on the road which is always tough.  There are road games out there to get for sure, but the lack of Q1 home opportunities is concerning.

 

- The NEED for MSU to be in the Top 30 and KSU to be in the Top 75 by years end.  We already have two real possibilities for Q1 wins that we've secured.  Would greatly benefit us for these two to jump into Q1 territory.

 

- Not really any of our Q4 games are flirting with moving into Q3 territory.  Oregon St could well move back to Q4 really easily if things go south there during conference play.  The A10 will be a dog fight and if Duquesne doesn't do well there, they could easily move into Q3 territory.

 

- The need for Mast to be back as soon as possible in January.  We start off with a Q3 home game which would be really bad to lose and then move into two of our Q1 games right after.  An important 3 game stretch to not lose the Q3 for sure, but also possibly pick up a Q1 win.

Edited December 22, 2023 by hskr4life

[jimmykc]

Speculation is always fun, but we still have to play the games. For example, comparing our performances against Stony Brook (Mich State won by 44) (NU by 21) should lead to the logical conclusion that we would only lose to the Spartans by 23. Didn't quite happen that way.

Edited December 24, 2023 by jimmykc

[49r]

Mini-update for this morning.

 

Nebraska creeps up to #51 and swaps spots back with Northwestern in the Big Ten rankings.  MSU is up to #21 (that win is looking better all the time).  The Big Ten is back to #2 in conferences:

 

Ranking of conferences by AdjEM of team that's expected to go .500 in conference play

Conference		Rating	Conference		Rating
1	Big 12 Conference	+17.14	18	Big South Conference	-3.88
2	Big Ten Conference	+14.74	19	Coastal Athletic Association	-4.06
3	Southeastern Conference	+14.53	20	Big Sky Conference	-4.56
4	Big East Conference	+14.36	21	Mid American Conference	-4.75
5	Pac 12 Conference	+11.59	22	Summit League	-5.39
6	Atlantic Coast Conference	+11.43	23	Horizon League	-5.41
7	Mountain West Conference	+8.81	24	America East Conference	-5.70
8	Atlantic 10 Conference	+4.10	25	ASUN Conference	-6.54
9	American Athletic Conference	+3.69	26	Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference	-6.91
10	West Coast Conference	+2.67	27	Ohio Valley Conference	-10.56
11	Missouri Valley Conference	+2.58	28	Southland Conference	-10.70
12	Ivy League	-0.53	29	Patriot League	-11.60
13	Conference USA	-0.73	30	Independents	-12.43
14	Western Athletic Conference	-1.07	31	Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference	-13.35
15	Southern Conference	-1.83	32	Southwestern Athletic Conference	-13.53
16	Big West Conference	-1.83	33	Northeast Conference	-14.19
17	Sun Belt Conference	-2.99

[hskr4life]

1 hour ago, 49r said:

Mini-update for this morning.

 

Nebraska creeps up to #51 and swaps spots back with Northwestern in the Big Ten rankings.  MSU is up to #21 (that win is looking better all the time).  The Big Ten is back to #2 in conferences:

 

Ranking of conferences by AdjEM of team that's expected to go .500 in conference play

Conference		Rating	Conference		Rating
1	Big 12 Conference	+17.14	18	Big South Conference	-3.88
2	Big Ten Conference	+14.74	19	Coastal Athletic Association	-4.06
3	Southeastern Conference	+14.53	20	Big Sky Conference	-4.56
4	Big East Conference	+14.36	21	Mid American Conference	-4.75
5	Pac 12 Conference	+11.59	22	Summit League	-5.39
6	Atlantic Coast Conference	+11.43	23	Horizon League	-5.41
7	Mountain West Conference	+8.81	24	America East Conference	-5.70
8	Atlantic 10 Conference	+4.10	25	ASUN Conference	-6.54
9	American Athletic Conference	+3.69	26	Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference	-6.91
10	West Coast Conference	+2.67	27	Ohio Valley Conference	-10.56
11	Missouri Valley Conference	+2.58	28	Southland Conference	-10.70
12	Ivy League	-0.53	29	Patriot League	-11.60
13	Conference USA	-0.73	30	Independents	-12.43
14	Western Athletic Conference	-1.07	31	Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference	-13.35
15	Southern Conference	-1.83	32	Southwestern Athletic Conference	-13.53
16	Big West Conference	-1.83	33	Northeast Conference	-14.19
17	Sun Belt Conference	-2.99

 

Interesting because you keep seeing "The Mountain West is a 5 bid conference" popping up on social media.  I guess I could maybe see it, but seeing as they are still the 7th best conference, I'm thinking 3-4 bids there.  They'll beat up on each other and someone will be left out.

 

There will be a lot of parity in leagues like the ACC and Pac 12 this year.  Hopefully they all beat each other up enough that they only get their minimal share of bids.

 

I still like the Big 10 to grab 6-7 bids.  I know it's a "down" year, but we've kind of came back from the dead of late November for the conference as a whole.

[hskr4life]

Lunardi’s latest bracketology makes you kind of squint and turn your head.

 

 

[HuskerFever]

37 minutes ago, hskr4life said:

Lunardi’s latest bracketology makes you kind of squint and turn your head.

 

Well....it is December.

 

Pandering to a basketball audience with very little data and substance behind it at this point. Just about as relevant as preseason rankings.

[49r]

[Huskerpapa]

Sure glad we beat KSU & MSU, otherwise who knows where we would be.  

[Nebrasketball1979]

3 minutes ago, Huskerpapa said:

Sure glad we beat KSU & MSU, otherwise who knows where we would be.  

 

By the looks of it, we might be solidly in the field

[cornfed24-7]

2 hours ago, hskr4life said:

Lunardi’s latest bracketology makes you kind of squint and turn your head.

 

 

Lunardi is a F'ing jabroni

[Cazzie22]

I guess it’s fun to speculate about post season play but I wouldn’t become too excited until it’s mid-February and then we have a legitimate chance!  For the present, let’s defeat S. Carolina St. and get Mast healthy ASAP.

Edited December 26, 2023 by Cazzie22
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[hskr4life]

17 minutes ago, Cazzie22 said:

I guess it’s fun to speculate about post season play 

 

It’s what fans with good teams do.  We just haven’t been able to do it since Tim and consistently never.  So do it while you can because it could be 7 years before it happens again!

[Handy Johnson]

Like the Great Vikings Head Coach Mike Tice once said, “ENJOY the Season”…! 

[Bugeaters1]

1 hour ago, Handy Johnson said:

Like the Great Vikings Head Coach Mike Tice once said, “ENJOY the Season”…! 

I thought you were going to say Bud Grant.

 

[Handy Johnson]

1 hour ago, Bugeaters1 said:

I thought you were going to say Bud Grant.

 

You mean the Former NBA Champion & Mpls Laker Bud Grant…? 

[Bugeaters1]

You mean the Former NBA Champion & Mpls Laker Bud Grant…? 

Could be.

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[hskr4life]

On 12/22/2023 at 10:08 AM, 49r said:

Mini-update for this morning.

 

Nebraska creeps up to #51 and swaps spots back with Northwestern in the Big Ten rankings.  MSU is up to #21 (that win is looking better all the time).  The Big Ten is back to #2 in conferences:

 

Ranking of conferences by AdjEM of team that's expected to go .500 in conference play

Conference		Rating	Conference		Rating
1	Big 12 Conference	+17.14	18	Big South Conference	-3.88
2	Big Ten Conference	+14.74	19	Coastal Athletic Association	-4.06
3	Southeastern Conference	+14.53	20	Big Sky Conference	-4.56
4	Big East Conference	+14.36	21	Mid American Conference	-4.75
5	Pac 12 Conference	+11.59	22	Summit League	-5.39
6	Atlantic Coast Conference	+11.43	23	Horizon League	-5.41
7	Mountain West Conference	+8.81	24	America East Conference	-5.70
8	Atlantic 10 Conference	+4.10	25	ASUN Conference	-6.54
9	American Athletic Conference	+3.69	26	Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference	-6.91
10	West Coast Conference	+2.67	27	Ohio Valley Conference	-10.56
11	Missouri Valley Conference	+2.58	28	Southland Conference	-10.70
12	Ivy League	-0.53	29	Patriot League	-11.60
13	Conference USA	-0.73	30	Independents	-12.43
14	Western Athletic Conference	-1.07	31	Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference	-13.35
15	Southern Conference	-1.83	32	Southwestern Athletic Conference	-13.53
16	Big West Conference	-1.83	33	Northeast Conference	-14.19
17	Sun Belt Conference	-2.99

 

You’d think for as high as the B12 was, they’d have a large quantity of quality wins.  That doesn’t seem to be the case to date.

 

B1G well above average though!

[49r]

We dropped from #53 to #57.  Even Torvik who has loved us so far has dropped us to #50.

 

I know you all hate that I keep harping on this but that collapse at the end of the game last night really killed us.  If we are going to play a non-con as weak as we are (#352 out of 362) then we absolutely must win these games by as big a margin as possible.  It seems like a 29 point win is a big margin but it really is not, especially when we are a 24 point favorite going in.  This team has NIT bubble written all over it and there's not much we can do about it at this point, the time to get into NCAA Tournament conversations (by hammering cupcakes) is over.  The Big Ten is soft and is looking like a 5 bid league at this point (6 if Iowa gan get their act together).  But we are almost certainly going to be on the outside looking in once again.

 

Northwestern and Michigan dropped back below us again and Iowa jumped ahead.

 

Ken holds steady at 19-12 (9-11).  Torvik also stays the same at  20-11 (10-10).

 

San José State hasn't played since the 20th and won't play again until Tuesday.  They've dropped one spot to #171.

 

Okay, enough of the doom and gloom.  Here we go.

 

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KenPom rankings as of 12-30-23

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B1G (1-1):
2. Purdue
7. Illinois
15. Wisconsin
21. Michigan State - W
28. Ohio State
53. Iowa
57. Nebraska
60. Northwestern
63. Michigan
72. Maryland
79. Rutgers
87. Indiana
83. Minnesota - L

105. Penn State

 

 

Non-Conference (10-1):
335. Lindenwood - W

330. Florida A&M - W

---Cornhusker Classic---
281. Rider - W
256. Stony Brook - W

---Sanford Pentagon---
188. Oregon State - W

 

---Cornhusker Classic---

91. Duquesne - W

 

226. Cal State Fullerton - W

17. Creighton - L
68. @Kansas State - W
279. North Dakota - W

336. South Carolina State - W