Only for the die hards

[jimmykc]

At least those teams elicit a gasp of surprise when people see how far they have fallen this year. The reaction of casual fans who see our rating this year is a large, concerted "Meh".

[Norm Peterson]

On 2/12/2022 at 10:34 PM, Art Vandalay said:

There is little doubt we take 2-4 transfers as people will leave. We need a PG, wing, and stretch 4 at least.

 

I agree with him the first 1-2 we an asterisk because he had no chance to recruit year 1 and way behind year 2 even. However I am judging on this year and the lack of defense, intensity, and chemistry is more than alarming. I probably would favor another year if he understands the issues and has a solid plan for change.

 

i have little to nomhope if he doesn’t 

 

How much chance do you need to recruit the portal?

 

I mean, most guys announce in April-June if they're transferring. It's a short window for everyone, both players and programs. How were we at any disadvantage recruiting the portal Fred's first two years?

 

I mean, isn't that supposed to be his and Matt A's forte?

 

And if we can't recruit the portal effectively the first two seasons, why would that change going forward?

[Red Don]

2 hours ago, HuskerFever said:

 

We are currently #178 in NET rankings.

 

The only worse Power-6 basketball teams (62 in total) are:

 

180: Pittsburgh (10-16)

205: Georgia (6-19)

218: Georgetown (6-17)

248: Oregon State (3-19)

 

Better Company than I thought!!!

[Art Vandalay]

2 hours ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

How much chance do you need to recruit the portal?

 

I mean, most guys announce in April-June if they're transferring. It's a short window for everyone, both players and programs. How were we at any disadvantage recruiting the portal Fred's first two years?

 

I mean, isn't that supposed to be his and Matt A's forte?

 

And if we can't recruit the portal effectively the first two seasons, why would that change going forward?

I am mainly talking HS recruits. However even the portal year 1 was tough as Fred was out of college hoops and MA was recruiting for SJ. they may not announce till then but the recruiting was all ready going on behind the scenes and we were not in it yet.
 

Year 2 the portal should have been no excuses, agreed.

 

Year 3 all on them and that is obviously an F

[aphilso1]

On 2/12/2022 at 3:37 PM, NUdiehard said:

Lol. So sensitive. There are a lot of Eric’s from Cozad out there.  

 

Cozad's population is 3,787.  0.26% of Americans are named Eric.  Statistically speaking, there are likely only 10 Erics in Cozad.

[Navin R. Johnson]

3 minutes ago, aphilso1 said:

 

Cozad's population is 3,787.  0.26% of Americans are named Eric.  Statistically speaking, there are likely only 10 Erics in Cozad.

 

Does that include Erick and Aric?

[AuroranHusker]

4 minutes ago, aphilso1 said:

 

Cozad's population is 3,787.  0.26% of Americans are named Eric.  Statistically speaking, there are likely only 10 Erics in Cozad.

 

That was funny. 

 

 

[Norm Peterson]

1 minute ago, Art Vandalay said:

I am mainly talking HS recruits. However even the portal year 1 was tough as Fred was out of college hoops and MA was recruiting for SJ. they may not announce till then but the recruiting was all ready going on behind the scenes and we were not in it yet.
 

Year 2 the portal should have been no excuses, agreed.

 

Year 3 all on them and that is obviously an F

 

I still don't get the argument that the portal would have been especially difficult for us to navigate in year 1.

 

Sure, Fred had been out of the college game a few years, but Matt A hadn't been. And Fred could boast having been an NBA coach returning to the college game where he'd enjoyed significant success. And, yet, look who we got out of the portal that year: Matej Kavas and Haanif Cheatham both ranked outside the top 30 impact grad transfers.

 

As far as sit-out transfers, Dalano Banton ranked #40, but Shamiel Stevenson and Derrick Walker didn't rank at all, even among the honorable mention.

 

I mean, a guy whose reputation involves working the transfer portal got worked.

 

College basketball transfer rankings for 2019-20 and 2020-21 (espn.com)

 

And if you think it got better in year 2 ...

 

Kobe Webster was #37 for grad transfers (which seems about right) and our sit-out transfers included #6 Trey McGowens (overrated) and #9 Kobe King (who didn't show up) and that's pretty much it.

 

Do you want to talk about the great success we've had with juco transfers?

[HB]

7 minutes ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

I still don't get the argument that the portal would have been especially difficult for us to navigate in year 1.

 

Sure, Fred had been out of the college game a few years, but Matt A hadn't been. And Fred could boast having been an NBA coach returning to the college game where he'd enjoyed significant success. And, yet, look who we got out of the portal that year: Matej Kavas and Haanif Cheatham both ranked outside the top 30 impact grad transfers.

 

As far as sit-out transfers, Dalano Banton ranked #40, but Shamiel Stevenson and Derrick Walker didn't rank at all, even among the honorable mention.

 

I mean, a guy whose reputation involves working the transfer portal got worked.

 

College basketball transfer rankings for 2019-20 and 2020-21 (espn.com)

 

And if you think it got better in year 2 ...

 

Kobe Webster was #37 for grad transfers (which seems about right) and our sit-out transfers included #6 Trey McGowens (overrated) and #9 Kobe King (who didn't show up) and that's pretty much it.

 

Do you want to talk about the great success we've had with juco transfers?

 

Wow.   Some point to recruiting as a reason to stay the course.   This review shows what an unmitigated disaster it has been to this point. 

[aphilso1]

17 minutes ago, HB said:

 

Wow.   Some point to recruiting as a reason to stay the course.   This review shows what an unmitigated disaster it has been to this point. 

 

If there is any optimism to be had, it's that the guys coming in have climbed the rankings after we signed them, and they appear to be well-rounded basketball players rather than single-skill specialists.  Contrast that with previous classes, which were filled with guys that were known for doing one thing well (but having major holes in their game) and who looked like we recruited them solely because Rivals told us they were supposed to be good.

[Norm Peterson]

Let's quickly compare what Fred did (being hamstrung by being a first-year coach in the last season pre-Covid) with what TJ Otzelberger did at ISU in the 2nd year of Covid restrictions:

 

Oh, um, he got Isaiah Brockington from Penn State, who's averaging just over 17 ppg while shooting about 37% from beyond the arc.

He got a true freshman Tyrese Hunter (you can recruit HS players in your first season? But wait ...) who is averaging just over 10 a game.

He got Gabe Kalscheur from Minnesota, who's averaging not quite 10 a game.

Caleb Grill followed him from UNLV, so there is that.

He got Aljaz Kunc from Washington St who's averaging 45% from 3.

And he got Tristan Enaruna from KU.

 

And those are his top 6 scorers. And they sport a record of 16-9.

 

So, 1st year coaches don't have a chance to hit the transfer portal? Because why?

[49r]

1 hour ago, Norm Peterson said:

Let's quickly compare what Fred did (being hamstrung by being a first-year coach in the last season pre-Covid) with what TJ Otzelberger did at ISU in the 2nd year of Covid restrictions:

 

Oh, um, he got Isaiah Brockington from Penn State, who's averaging just over 17 ppg while shooting about 37% from beyond the arc.

He got a true freshman Tyrese Hunter (you can recruit HS players in your first season? But wait ...) who is averaging just over 10 a game.

He got Gabe Kalscheur from Minnesota, who's averaging not quite 10 a game.

Caleb Grill followed him from UNLV, so there is that.

He got Aljaz Kunc from Washington St who's averaging 45% from 3.

And he got Tristan Enaruna from KU.

 

And those are his top 6 scorers. And they sport a record of 16-9.

 

So, 1st year coaches don't have a chance to hit the transfer portal? Because why?

 

They are 4-9 since January 1st though.

[Huskerpapa]

I look at Iowa and shake my head.  Fran recruits his style of player.  They are not necessarily the highest rated players, but they fit into his program.  Hell same with their football program.  In fact look at nearly every Big Ten program.  Each team recruits players that are clones to the players that played before them.  It is almost sickening because of the similarities.  Purdue, MSU, Michigan, et al...the names are the only change. 

[HuskerFever]

30 minutes ago, Huskerpapa said:

Purdue...the names are the only change. 

 

Barely... Replacing Haas with Haarms is essentially the same name.

[hskr4life]

2 hours ago, 49r said:

 

They are 4-9 since January 1st though.

Has Fred won 4 games on this side of the New Year in 3 years?

[AuroranHusker]

15 minutes ago, hskr4life said:

Has Fred won 4 games on this side of the New Year in 3 years?

 

1st yr: 1 win

2nd yr: 3 wins

3rd yr: 1 win

 

So, in fact, Fred has 5 wins after Jan. 1st of each yr. Gulp.

 

 

[hskr4life]

24 minutes ago, AuroranHusker said:

 

1st yr: 1 win

2nd yr: 3 wins

3rd yr: 1 win

 

So, in fact, Fred has 5 wins after Jan. 1st of each yr. Gulp.

 

 

I was thinking more “in a year” knowing the answer was no… but this is almost more depressing.  5 wins in 3 years after the start of the new year is… ouch bad.

[AuroranHusker]

17 minutes ago, hskr4life said:

I was thinking more “in a year” knowing the answer was no… but this is almost more depressing.  5 wins in 3 years after the start of the new year is… ouch bad.

 

Last year NU should have had 4, but NW clipped NE 79-78 on a put back as time expired in the last regular season game... then NU totally botched the B1G tourney game vs PSU, if that makes it better (or perhaps even worse). 

 

 

Edited February 15, 2022 by AuroranHusker

[49r]

1 hour ago, hskr4life said:

Has Fred won 4 games on this side of the New Year in 3 years?

 

My point was only that a lot of the shine has come off Otzelberger's tenure at Iowa State in the last 6 weeks.

[AuroranHusker]

5 minutes ago, 49r said:

 

My point was only that a lot of the shine has come off Otzelberger's tenure at Iowa State in the last 6 weeks.

 

Yep, Big 12 is salty, much like Big Ten.

 

[HuskerFever]

26 minutes ago, AuroranHusker said:

 

Yep, Big 12 is salty, much like Big Ten.

 

 

The Big 12 NET rankings, top to bottom, rank from #4 to #70.

 

The Big Ten is #9 to #178 (#99 being the #13 team, excluding Nebraska).

 

Rough.

[HB]

4 hours ago, Huskerpapa said:

I look at Iowa and shake my head.  Fran recruits his style of player.  They are not necessarily the highest rated players, but they fit into his program.  Hell same with their football program.  In fact look at nearly every Big Ten program.  Each team recruits players that are clones to the players that played before them.  It is almost sickening because of the similarities.  Purdue, MSU, Michigan, et al...the names are the only change. 

Wisconsin for the last 400 years.  

[hskr4life]

1 hour ago, 49r said:

 

My point was only that a lot of the shine has come off Otzelberger's tenure at Iowa State in the last 6 weeks.

I understand-- It's just crazy that one mans trash (a 4-9 record since Jan 1) would be another mans treasure (us).

[Fullbacksympathy]

6 hours ago, aphilso1 said:

 

If there is any optimism to be had, it's that the guys coming in have climbed the rankings after we signed them, and they appear to be well-rounded basketball players rather than single-skill specialists.  Contrast that with previous classes, which were filled with guys that were known for doing one thing well (but having major holes in their game) and who looked like we recruited them solely because Rivals told us they were supposed to be good.

I share this optimism.   I don’t share it for Hoiberg’s coaching at this point, but I very much like the kids being brought in as they should all be D1 athletes on the perimeter defensively.  Athletic 6’4”-6’7” guards are sorely lacking on this roster.  Instead, we have Bryce, Kobe, Keisei, and CJ, none of whom can stay in front of a B1G guard. 
 

I’m guessing Fred gets one more year with those recruits.  Assuming things fall apart, at least you’d give the next coach a chance re recruit them to keep them here after next season.  

[49r]

10 hours ago, hskr4life said:

I understand-- It's just crazy that one mans trash (a 4-9 record since Jan 1) would be another mans treasure (us).

 

I don't think we'd be all that excited honestly, improving to 4-9 in 2022 for us would mean a 10-15 overall record and still WAY on the outside of the NIT bubble (probably KenPom in the 120's or so)...the calls for Fred's job might not be as loud, but there would be lots of grumbling for sure.