KenPom 2017-2018 KenPom Rankings Thread

[Bugeaters1]

Just now, AuroranHusker said:

 

Rutgers coach Steve Pikiell is the former Stony Brook coach.

So a pie in the face thing.

[jayschool]

At this point, the only game that seems like a sure L is at Purdue. Maybe at Ohio State.

 

The other 14? All winnable. Get 9 or 10 of those, finish 10-8 or 11-7, and we're in, baby.

[49r]

Early returns are in and Ken isn't happy! 'Skers drop 4 spots to #89. Merry Christmas everybody!!

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[HuskerFever]

Just now, 49r said:

Early returns are in and Ken isn't happy! 'Skers drop 4 spots to #89. Merry Christmas everybody!!

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Remember this post when this week's HHCC results come out...

[49r]

Penn State drops 5 spots to 42 and Northwestern drops 8 spots to 54.

B1G everybody!

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[uneblinstu]

2 hours ago, jayschool said:

At this point, the only game that seems like a sure L is at Purdue. Maybe at Ohio State.

 

The other 14? All winnable. Get 9 or 10 of those, finish 10-8 or 11-7, and we're in, baby.

I don't think 10-8 will be enough. Think we need more than that. 11-7 minimum, probably 12-6 with where the B1G is this year. And I'm not chalking Purdue up as a sure loss.

[HuskerActuary]

7 hours ago, uneblinstu said:

I don't think 10-8 will be enough. Think we need more than that. 11-7 minimum, probably 12-6 with where the B1G is this year. And I'm not chalking Purdue up as a sure loss.

I definitely agree. I think we need to go 12-6 to get in. Or put another way, 13 conference wins between the regular season and conference tournament. Our end-of-year strength of schedule is not going to be very good.

[aphilso1]

While the B1G has been a bit disappointing this year in the sense that there's really only one elite team, there's quality depth throughout.  That means that just about every conference win is a top 100 win, and you take away the chance of a "bad loss" (loss to a team outside the top 100).  For that reason I don't think SOS is going to plummet as others fear.  Might not be as big of a strength as in years past, but it certainly won't be a weakness on Selection Sunday.

 

Keep in mind that 12-6 last year was good enough to share second place in the conference.  11-7 was fourth place outright, and 10-8 was a four-way tie for fifth place.  There will absolutely be more than four or five B1G teams that make the Dance, so setting the bar at 12-6 seems too high.  11-7 should get us comfortably in the tournament, and 10-8 at least gets us in the conversation.  9-9 is probably not enough.

[Art Vandalay]

B10 will get at least 6 in, so finish in the top 6 and we are looking good 10-8 might do it then win one in the tourney. We get 20 wins we are probably in

[uneblinstu]

4 hours ago, aphilso1 said:

While the B1G has been a bit disappointing this year in the sense that there's really only one elite team, there's quality depth throughout.  That means that just about every conference win is a top 100 win, and you take away the chance of a "bad loss" (loss to a team outside the top 100).  For that reason I don't think SOS is going to plummet as others fear.  Might not be as big of a strength as in years past, but it certainly won't be a weakness on Selection Sunday.

 

Keep in mind that 12-6 last year was good enough to share second place in the conference.  11-7 was fourth place outright, and 10-8 was a four-way tie for fifth place.  There will absolutely be more than four or five B1G teams that make the Dance, so setting the bar at 12-6 seems too high.  11-7 should get us comfortably in the tournament, and 10-8 at least gets us in the conversation.  9-9 is probably not enough.

11-7 has been a pretty volatile finish. It's been everywhere from 4th to 7th since NU joined the Big Ten. And in a year where everyone is super similar, 11-7 probably pushes that team into the top of the league. It's been the years where there's a clear bottom of the barrel team or two where that record finishes in the middle. It's gonna be a super interesting year in the conference.

[hskr4life]

I look at the Big 10... with the slew of 1-1 teams and just kick my chops with what we could do.  Problem is, so is everyone else.  Whose going to step up?

[49r]

Holiday travel messes my schedule up.  Here is today's KenPom update:

 

 

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KenPom rankings as of 12-23-17

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B1G (1-1):

2. Michigan State (10) - L

5. Purdue (17)

34. Michigan (32)

35. Maryland (41)

41. Minnesota (36) - W

42. Penn State (40)

45. Ohio State (78)

55. Northwestern (18)

62. Wisconsin (31)

74. Iowa (54)

88. Indiana (65)

90. Nebraska (98)

95. Illinois (104)

99. Rutgers (125)

 

Non-Conference (8-4):

231. Eastern Illinois - W

228. North Texas - W

 

---Gavitt Tip-Off---

47. @St. John's - L

 

247. North Dakota - W

 

---Advocare Invitational---

81. UCF - L

325. Marist - W

234. Long Beach State - W

 

---B1G/ACC Challenge--- 

86. Boston College - W

 

30. @Creighton - L

 

---Shelter Insurance Showcase---

6. Kansas - L

 

193. UTSA - W

349. Delaware State - W

310. Stetson

Edited December 24, 2017 by 49r

[49r]

How the conferences stack up against each other:

 

Conference		Rating	Conference		Rating
1	Big 12 Conference	+18.41	17	Ivy League	-2.51
2	Atlantic Coast Conference	+15.77	18	Southern Conference	-3.23
3	Big East Conference	+14.89	19	Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference	-3.76
4	Southeastern Conference	+14.30	20	Western Athletic Conference	-3.80
5	Big Ten Conference	+13.11	21	Big Sky Conference	-4.96
6	Pac 12 Conference	+8.93	22	Big West Conference	-5.15
7	American Athletic Conference	+7.62	23	America East Conference	-5.22
8	Mountain West Conference	+4.09	24	Ohio Valley Conference	-5.26
9	Missouri Valley Conference	+3.02	25	Patriot League	-5.70
10	Atlantic 10 Conference	+2.17	26	Horizon League	-5.73
11	West Coast Conference	+0.00	27	Big South Conference	-6.24
12	Colonial Athletic Association	-1.53	28	Southland Conference	-7.98
13	Summit League	-1.54	29	Atlantic Sun Conference	-9.21
14	Mid American Conference	-1.76	30	Northeast Conference	-9.82
15	Sun Belt Conference	-1.86	31	Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference	-16.94
16	Conference USA	-1.88	32	Southwestern Athletic Conference	-17.73

[ajb5856]

Illinois with a good win for the big ten tonight over Missouri 

[nuhusker7]

Does anyone know if last year is still affecting the rankings?

[Chuck Taylor]

7 hours ago, nuhusker7 said:

Does anyone know if last year is still affecting the rankings?

No, I believe that's only for preseason and the first 10 games. That's why I was puzzling earlier over why we're so low. It looks like we're playing so much better, but our offensive and defensive ratings are mediocre. 

[HuskerActuary]

43 minutes ago, Chuck Taylor said:

No, I believe that's only for preseason and the first 10 games. That's why I was puzzling earlier over why we're so low. It looks like we're playing so much better, but our offensive and defensive ratings are mediocre. 

No, he incorporates last season's results all the way through to late January (gradually decreasing, of course). See the bottom of this post. So this would be part of the answer to your question of why we are still lower. 

[Chuck Taylor]

1 hour ago, HuskerActuary said:

No, he incorporates last season's results all the way through to late January (gradually decreasing, of course). See the bottom of this post. So this would be part of the answer to your question of why we are still lower. 

Right you are regarding KenPom. Like Jacob Marley, we wear the chain we forged in our earlier life. 

 

However, we're 102 in TeamRankings, 84 in Massey and 94 in T-Rank. I'm going to trust my eyes instead of numbers, I think we're better than that.

[Red Don]

8 hours ago, Chuck Taylor said:

No, I believe that's only for preseason and the first 10 games. That's why I was puzzling earlier over why we're so low. It looks like we're playing so much better, but our offensive and defensive ratings are mediocre. 

 

5 hours ago, Chuck Taylor said:

Right you are regarding KenPom. Like Jacob Marley, we wear the chain we forged in our earlier life. 

 

However, we're 102 in TeamRankings, 84 in Massey and 94 in T-Rank. I'm going to trust my eyes instead of numbers, I think we're better than that.

 

I think we have just begun to Play!

[hskr4life]

Not a good day for the ole RPI.  Cough cough Creighton and St John’s.

 

Saw Foster went down for CU.  Did he play again?

 

Rutgers lost to Hartford.  They have gotten Samforded 2 times now.

[uneblinstu]

45 minutes ago, hskr4life said:

Saw Foster went down for CU.  Did he play again?

Yes.

[OmahaHusker]

12 hours ago, hskr4life said:

Not a good day for the ole RPI.  Cough cough Creighton and St John’s.

 

Saw Foster went down for CU.  Did he play again?

 

Rutgers lost to Hartford.  They have gotten Samforded 2 times now.

 

Seton Hall is a good team I didn't necessarily expect Creighton to win that one. What surprised me was the St. Johns game. Providence made them look like last year's St. Johns team, while on the road nonetheless. Just a testament that conference play is a different monster. All the teams know the other team's sets and tendencies a lot better.

[49r]

Avoided the cupcake loss this year, woo hoo!  But man, the last three opponents have really dragged our ranking down.  Here is today's KenPom update:

 

 

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KenPom rankings as of 12-30-17

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B1G (1-1):

2. Michigan State (10) - L

5. Purdue (17)

30. Maryland (41)

32. Michigan (32)

41. Minnesota (36) - W

42. Penn State (40)

46. Ohio State (78)

55. Northwestern (18)

70. Iowa (54)

72. Wisconsin (31)

85. Illinois (104)

88. Indiana (65)

98. Nebraska (98)

117. Rutgers (125)

 

 

Non-Conference (9-4):

246. Eastern Illinois - W

220. North Texas - W

 

---Gavitt Tip-Off---

60. @St. John's - L

 

266. North Dakota - W

 

---Advocare Invitational---

79. UCF - L

321. Marist - W

238. Long Beach State - W

 

---B1G/ACC Challenge--- 

83. Boston College - W

 

31. @Creighton - L

 

---Shelter Insurance Showcase---

6. Kansas - L

 

189. UTSA - W

351. Delaware State - W

303. Stetson - W

Edited December 31, 2017 by 49r

[hskr4life]

Start off with with road games against 55 and 5.  Big opportunity to jump some spots in the next week!  Let’s do this.

[hhcmatt]

On 12/30/2017 at 10:54 AM, 49r said:

Avoided the cupcake loss this year, woo hoo!  But man, the last three opponents have really dragged our ranking down.  Here is today's KenPom update:

 

It's harder to compare non-conference SOS because we have the extra two conference games. I think we should have a 50 or lower KenPom SOS by the end of the year.....we'll see how that translates for the RPI