2014 SG Jordan Cornish -> UNLV-> Tulane

[uneblinstu]

In Doc's situation, he was signing guys in November who were marginal/didn't work out.

 

I agree you don't just take a 4-year player just to add a body.  Not even a two-year player.  But you cannot tell me that there were no 2-year players when Miles arrived who couldn't have helped us at least as much as Vooch, Menke and Peltz did in the first two years under Miles.  We've basically had two scholarships languishing virtually unused during that time:  one for Vooch and another for a walk-on.

 

I guess Vooch is an example of a kid we took a reach on in order to fill a spot, so that kind of argues against what I was just saying before about leaving them empty.  Hmmm.  Now I'm not sure how I feel. 

 

It's Friday afternoon.  Maybe it's time to start drinkin' and just forget about empty scholarships.

It's 5:00 in Nova Scotia.

[The Coach]

We should be putting the full-court press on Andrew White III.  I know he probably wants to transfer closer to home, but it's time for Kenya Hunter to start earning that salary.  

 

I would think Miles could get his attention by showing him how much Petteway improved during his redshirt transfer year.

[Norm Peterson]

We should be putting the full-court press on Andrew White III.  I know he probably wants to transfer closer to home, but it's time for Kenya Hunter to start earning that salary.  

 

I would think Miles could get his attention by showing him how much Petteway improved during his redshirt transfer year.

As far as I can tell, he hasn't been offered by Creighton.

 

(Ooops, sorry, that's like saying "Voldemort" in some circles.)

[Silverbacked1]

Makes me wonder. I mean, we jumped in on Cornish because he became available. The coaches knew Hawkins and Vooch were on the way out about mid season, yet we haven't heard about an abundance of recruits we are after that can join the squad for the 2014-2015 season. The coaches must feel good about where we are sitting with some 2015 guys and we'll just wait in the meantime to see if any more transfers become available. I expect a lot of whining when we don't fill out the roster again, which to a degree is okay.

Is there any sort of qualitative difference between whining and expressing grave concern?

 

I've pointed out several times that leaving a scholarship open for two years is like a self-imposed probation with scholarship reduction. 

 

If we do it again, how many spots will we be leaving open? 

 

Is there any point in time at which it's OK to express concerns or reservations about something Miles is doing?

Well whining is done by people you don't like or know. Expressing grave concerns come people we know and like. Duh!

[49r]

 

We should be putting the full-court press on Andrew White III.  I know he probably wants to transfer closer to home, but it's time for Kenya Hunter to start earning that salary.  

 

I would think Miles could get his attention by showing him how much Petteway improved during his redshirt transfer year.

 

 

As far as I can tell, he hasn't been offered by Creighton.

 

 

...yet...

[uneblinstu]

 

We should be putting the full-court press on Andrew White III.  I know he probably wants to transfer closer to home, but it's time for Kenya Hunter to start earning that salary.  

 

I would think Miles could get his attention by showing him how much Petteway improved during his redshirt transfer year.

As far as I can tell, he hasn't been offered by Creighton.

 

(Ooops, sorry, that's like saying "Voldemort" in some circles.)

 

Don't worry, there's not a taboo spell put on that word.

[Silverbacked1]

Also I will throw this out there... But wouldn't Voochie kind of fit in that we throw a scholarship at a kid and hope something good happens.

Great kid, great student just could get good enough to get on the court.

[TheKamdyMan]

Also I will throw this out there... But wouldn't Voochie kind of fit in that we throw a scholarship at a kid and hope something good happens.

Great kid, great student just could get good enough to get on the court.

 

And we only lost two years to his scholarship and he helped the team GPA and was a good Practice player.  Have to swing and miss sometimes.

[Norm Peterson]

Also I will throw this out there... But wouldn't Voochie kind of fit in that we throw a scholarship at a kid and hope something good happens.

Great kid, great student just could get good enough to get on the court.

Um, yeah ...

 

In Doc's situation, he was signing guys in November who were marginal/didn't work out.

 

I agree you don't just take a 4-year player just to add a body.  Not even a two-year player.  But you cannot tell me that there were no 2-year players when Miles arrived who couldn't have helped us at least as much as Vooch, Menke and Peltz did in the first two years under Miles.  We've basically had two scholarships languishing virtually unused during that time:  one for Vooch and another for a walk-on.

 

I guess Vooch is an example of a kid we took a reach on in order to fill a spot, so that kind of argues against what I was just saying before about leaving them empty.  Hmmm.  Now I'm not sure how I feel. 

 

It's Friday afternoon.  Maybe it's time to start drinkin' and just forget about empty scholarships.

[colhusker]

kldm and uneblisnstu....You hit the nail on the head. 

 

First off, what killed Doc at times was he would just fill roster spots and hope it worked.  Like throwing crap against the wall and hoping is would stick.

 

Secondly, I would not be surprised if somehow someway we come up with a transfer.  I could be way off, but I wouldn't be shocked if Miles pulls a rabbit out of his hat.  He has always said he has a plan....maybe part of that plan is making sure late in the process he has a spot open to fill in case a transfer leaves a school very late in the process.  Sure its nice to have all the scholarship spots filled, but at the same time, only about 7-8 guys are going to be getting regular PT.  So if you have that one spot open just in case a "diamind on the rough becomes available" does it really kill ya? 

This was one of his issues.

Yes only 7-8 get playing time but when part of that 7-8 graduate you have someone in the system that knows the system that is ready to step up and play at the same level.  Leaving spots open every year is not a good thing.

[Donkey]

 

kldm and uneblisnstu....You hit the nail on the head. 

 

First off, what killed Doc at times was he would just fill roster spots and hope it worked.  Like throwing crap against the wall and hoping is would stick.

 

Secondly, I would not be surprised if somehow someway we come up with a transfer.  I could be way off, but I wouldn't be shocked if Miles pulls a rabbit out of his hat.  He has always said he has a plan....maybe part of that plan is making sure late in the process he has a spot open to fill in case a transfer leaves a school very late in the process.  Sure its nice to have all the scholarship spots filled, but at the same time, only about 7-8 guys are going to be getting regular PT.  So if you have that one spot open just in case a "diamind on the rough becomes available" does it really kill ya? 

This was one of his issues.

Yes only 7-8 get playing time but when part of that 7-8 graduate you have someone in the system that knows the system that is ready to step up and play at the same level.  Leaving spots open every year is not a good thing.

 

 

 

Assuming that 7-8 guys only get playing time, leaving a scholarship open sometimes makes sense as there is one benefit of giving scholarships to walkons/bench warmers: the graduation rate.  If a walkon loses his scholarship to an incoming recruit, the walkon will not transfer or quit going to school completely.  The walkon will continue to work towards a degree just like he was before receiving the scholarship.

[kldm64]

They aren't intentially leaving spots open.  That is different than not finding the right guys they want to fill them with.

[Swan88]

They are intentially leaving spots open.  That is different than not finding the right guys they want to fill them with.

Tim Miles & Co. have, over each of the past two seasons, left one scholarship open and used it for a walk-on, and it appears that such actions each year were deliberate. Accordingly, we might need to learn from time-to-time to live with such an approach in the future as well, whether we like it or agree with it or not.

[Hooper]

Swan, I disagree with the notion that scholarships were intentionally left open for walk-ons. Instead, I believe they couldn't fill the spots with players they felt good about, so they banked them for the next year, figuring they'd fill them then. 

[HuskerCager]

 

They are intentially leaving spots open.  That is different than not finding the right guys they want to fill them with.

Tim Miles & Co. have, over each of the past two seasons, left one scholarship open and used it for a walk-on, and it appears that such actions each year were deliberate. Accordingly, we might need to learn from time-to-time to live with such an approach in the future as well, whether we like it or agree with it or not.

 

Intentional seems to be a relative term here.  I have a hard time believing that Tim sits down with his staff each fall and says:

"OK guys, it's September 2013.  We are not going to sign up a roster of 13 scholarship players for next year.  I want to give away a scholarship next summer to a deserving walk-on."

I think the dialogue goes like this:

"OK guys, it's May 2014, a lot of good schools are going after a few leftover recruits.  We have only so much time to focus on 2014 anymore.  We are going to use our time wisely and focus on 2015.  At least we can give the leftover scholarship to a deserving walk-on."

[TheKamdyMan]

 

They are intentially leaving spots open.  That is different than not finding the right guys they want to fill them with.

Tim Miles & Co. have, over each of the past two seasons, left one scholarship open and used it for a walk-on, and it appears that such actions each year were deliberate. Accordingly, we might need to learn from time-to-time to live with such an approach in the future as well, whether we like it or agree with it or not.

 

 

So why did Peltz only get in the spring this past season and not the fall if they intentionally left it open and used it for a walk-on?

[Norm Peterson]

 

 

They are intentially leaving spots open.  That is different than not finding the right guys they want to fill them with.

Tim Miles & Co. have, over each of the past two seasons, left one scholarship open and used it for a walk-on, and it appears that such actions each year were deliberate. Accordingly, we might need to learn from time-to-time to live with such an approach in the future as well, whether we like it or agree with it or not.

 

Intentional seems to be a relative term here.  I have a hard time believing that Tim sits down with his staff each fall and says:

"OK guys, it's September 2013.  We are not going to sign up a roster of 13 scholarship players for next year.  I want to give away a scholarship next summer to a deserving walk-on."

I think the dialogue goes like this:

"OK guys, it's May 2014, a lot of good schools are going after a few leftover recruits.  We have only so much time to focus on 2014 anymore.  We are going to use our time wisely and focus on 2015.  At least we can give the leftover scholarship to a deserving walk-on."

 

My fear is that it was more like  "OK guys, I asked my Magic 8 Ball if we'll land Cornish and it told me 'All Signs Point to Yes.'  So, we can stop recruiting for 2014 now and just concentrate on 2015."

[a0t0w0]

Guys, I sat down with my 8 ball after Norm's post...

 

Q: Are we hyping up this recruit?

A:Cannot predict now

 

Q: Will we land this recruit?

A: Concentrate and ask again

 

Q: Do you know anything about college basketball?

A: Don't count on it

 

Q: Will we land this recruit?

A: Signs point to yes

 

Q:  Will UNLV land this recruit?

A: You may rely on it

 

Q:  Will WF land this recruit?

A: Signs point to yes

 

Q:  Will we live without this recruit

A: Most likely

[Silverbacked1]

Also I will throw this out there... But wouldn't Voochie kind of fit in that we throw a scholarship at a kid and hope something good happens.

Great kid, great student just could get good enough to get on the court.

Um, yeah ...

 

In Doc's situation, he was signing guys in November who were marginal/didn't work out.

 

I agree you don't just take a 4-year player just to add a body.  Not even a two-year player.  But you cannot tell me that there were no 2-year players when Miles arrived who couldn't have helped us at least as much as Vooch, Menke and Peltz did in the first two years under Miles.  We've basically had two scholarships languishing virtually unused during that time:  one for Vooch and another for a walk-on.

 

I guess Vooch is an example of a kid we took a reach on in order to fill a spot, so that kind of argues against what I was just saying before about leaving them empty.  Hmmm.  Now I'm not sure how I feel. 

 

It's Friday afternoon.  Maybe it's time to start drinkin' and just forget about empty scholarships.

Well geez Norm you expect me to read that much? I only fully read the posts that are only one or two lines long something about adult ADHA... oh look something shiny. Yeah!

[FredsSlacks]

anyways, Cornish is either trying to fool everyone or is 99% a lean towards unlv.

[TheKamdyMan]

anyways, Cornish is either trying to fool everyone or is 99% a lean towards unlv.

No crap. I just looked at his twitter and it's a unlv love fest.

He Gone.

[LSEHusker]

anyways, Cornish is either trying to fool everyone or is 99% a lean towards unlv.

No crap. I just looked at his twitter and it's a unlv love fest.

He Gone.

What if its just a plan for him to choose wake and stun us all

[trickey]

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Plenty of one year bums or Juco players that were available we could have filled for those unused slots and still be in the same position today.  The point is if you keep doing it you're not using all the assets available to you.  You're already a program behind the 8 ball, why line yourself up better to get taken out?  I'm sure its because they want the very best and if they dont get them they hold on but when it happens 3 years in a row thats a problem.  It means you need to fix something right now.  The definition of insanity fits into play here, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

 

 

I want to fill these with quality recruits as much you...However, an observation...the results are measured in the Win column not by how many scholarship players we have.

 

Trending up...In Miles I Trust!

[Swan88]

According to a rumor posted on the free Rivals message board for UNLV, the Rebels will be jettisoning Deville Smith to make room for Mr. Cornish. Mr. Smith was a Rivals four star out of Jackson, Mississippi, who spent a season at Mississippi St., then a JUCO year, then a year at UNLV, followed by a transfer (if the rumor is true).

[fred1212]

Jordan prolly to NU

 

to be joined by Morrow

 

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