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Interesting overview:

COLLEGE BASKETBALL: MAR 12 Big Ten Tournament - Ohio State v PurduePhoto by Zach Bolinger/Icon Sportswire via Getty Images

What if recruiting rankings always translated to success on the court? What if the team who pulled in the top recruiting class each season always won the conference without fail? What if nobody ever improved after getting to school, and what if no top recruits ever fell apart/busted?

That would be pretty boring, I think. Part of what makes college athletics so fun is the fact that more often than not, recruits do veer away from what the “experts” predicted for them at some point. Two or three-star prospects end up being taken as first-round NBA Draft picks. Five-star recruits who were supposed to take the world by storm crash and burn, and wind up transferring elsewhere, or stop playing altogether. Teams jacked with talent underperform, while the plucky underdogs make a run to the Sweet Sixteen. It happens all the time, and it’s fantastic.

But what if everything went according to plan? What if recruiting rankings and “stars” were the only thing that mattered?

The age-old question of “do stars mater?” is dumb. Yes, they absolutely matter. Why do Duke and Kentucky continue to perform at the highest level, while Elon and William & Mary do not? The big programs pull in the best recruits... the four and five-star kids. The smaller schools, like Elon and William & Mary, rarely lock up any recruits that are awarded stars at all. So yes, they matter.But how much do they matter?

To answer that question and have a bit of fun, I looked up the recruiting rankings/”stars” awarded to every single player in the Big Ten conference. Every. Single. One. I then averaged the number of “stars” each team in the B1G has per player, and ranked the teams from first to last. A few notes on this:

  • Walk-on’s were not included, as they were likely never given stars. Walk-on’s did not pull any team’s average down. If you find a walk-on listed here, let me know so I can remove them. I did my best to research and find out if they walked-on or not.
  • Transfer players count, and their original stars from their first team are included. If a player started at a small school like Elon, for example, they probably had zero stars. Even if they are a great player now at a Big Ten program (following a transfer, assumedly), their original number of stars is used here.
  • If it was not clear if a player was a walk-on or not, I did not include them.
  • All recruiting rankings are taken from 247Sports.com. I prefer them over Rivals and ESPN.
  • Rosters are for the 2021-2022 season

Players improve over time, we know this. Part of the reason this list is so fun/surprising is because there are a ton of players listed below who have completely out-played what the “experts” predicted for them in high school. I do not believe this is how the B1G will shake out this season, but if we’re only looking at stars, here’s your final standings!

Michigan State Spartans (1)

 

NCAA Basketball: Indiana at Michigan StateTim Fuller-USA TODAY Sports

5-⭐: Max Christie
4-⭐: Pierre Brooks, Jaden Akins, Malik Hall, Mady Sissoko, AJ Hoggard, Joey Hauser, Marcus Bingham Jr, Gabe brown
3-⭐: Tyson Walker, Julius Marble
AVG: 3.9 ⭐’s

Indiana Hoosiers (2)

 

NCAA Basketball: Big Ten Conference Tournament-Rutgers vs IndianaAaron Doster-USA TODAY Sports

5-⭐: Khristian Lander
4-⭐: Rob Phinisee, Miller Kopp, Jordan Geronimo, Trayce Jackson-Davis, Race Thompson, Logan Duncomb, Tamar Bates
3-⭐: Xavier Johnson, Michael Durr, Anthony Leal, Trey Galloway, Parker Stewart
AVG: 3.69 ⭐’s

Michigan Wolverines (3)

 

NCAA Basketball: NCAA Tournament-Florida State at MichiganMarc Lebryk-USA TODAY Sports

5-⭐: Moussa Diabate, Caleb Houstan
4-⭐: Hunter Dickinson, Kobe Bufkin, Zeb Jackson, Terrance Williams, Frankie Collins, Isaiah Barnes, Brandon Johns
3-⭐: Adrien Nunez, Jace Howard, Will Tschetter, Jaron Faulds, Eli Brooks
0-⭐: Devante Jones
AVG: 3.53 ⭐’s

Nebraska Cornhuskers (4)

 

NCAA Basketball: Big Ten Conference Tournament- Nebraska vs Penn StateAaron Doster-USA TODAY Sports

5-⭐: Bryce McGowens
4-⭐: CJ Wilcher, Trey McGowens, Keon Edwards, Wilhelm Breidenbach
3-⭐: Alonzo Verge Jr, Quaran McPherson, Lat Mayen, Keisei Tominaga, Oleg Kojenets, Eduardo Andre
2-⭐: Kobe Webster
0-⭐: Trevor Lakes
AVG: 3.46 ⭐’s

Purdue Boilermakers (5)

 

NCAA Basketball: NCAA Tournament-North Texas at PurdueAndrew Nelles-USA TODAY Sports

4-⭐: Caleb Furst, Trey Kaufman, Jaden Ivey, Ethan Morton
3-⭐: Mason Gillis, Eric Hunter Jr., Brandon Newman, Isaiah Thompson, Zach Edey, Trevion Williams, Sasha Stefanovich
AVG: 3.3 ⭐’s

Maryland Terrapins (6)

 

NCAA Basketball: NCAA Tournament-Maryland at ConnecticutMike Dinovo-USA TODAY Sports

4-⭐: James Graham, Eric Ayala, Julian Reese, Pavlo Dziuba, Ike cornish, Ian Martinez
3-⭐: Marcus Dockery, Fatts Russell, Hakim Hart, Donta Scott, Qudus Wahab
2-⭐: Xavier green
0-⭐: Simon Wright
AVG: 3.15 ⭐’s

Ohio State Buckeyes (7)

 

NCAA Basketball: Big Ten Conference Tournament-Ohio State vs IllinoisAaron Doster-USA TODAY Sports

4-⭐: Meechie Johnson, Malaki Branham, Kyle Young, EJ Liddell, Joey Brunk
3-⭐: Cedric Russell, Eugene Brown, Justin Ahrens, Justice Sueing, Kalen Etzler, Zed Key, Seth Towns, Jamari Wheeler
0-⭐: Jimmy Sotos
AVG: 3.14 ⭐’s

Wisconsin Badgers (8)

 

NCAA Basketball: NCAA Tournament-Wisconsin at North CarolinaIndyStar-USA TODAY Sports

4-⭐: Ben Carlson, Brad Davison
3-⭐: Jahcobi Neath, Jonathan Davis, Tyler Wahl, Isaac Lindsey, Lorne Bowman, Chris Hodges, Steven Crowl, Chucky Hepburn, Jordan Davis, Matthew Mors, Chris Vogt, Markus lver
AVG: 3.14 ⭐’s

Northwestern Wildcats (9)

 

NCAA Basketball: Northwestern at MinnesotaHarrison Barden-USA TODAY Sports

4-⭐: Casey Simmons, Pete Nance, Robbie Beran
3-⭐: Boo Buie, Ryan Greer, Ty Berry, Julian Roper, Brooks Barnhizer, Ryan Young, Matthew Nicholson
0-⭐: Chase Audige
AVG: 3 ⭐’s

Iowa Hawkeyes (10)

 

NCAA Basketball: NCAA Tournament-Oregon at IowaIndyStar-USA TODAY Sports

4-⭐: Pat Mccaffery
3-⭐: Joe Toussaint, Jordan Bohannon, Ahron Ulis, Tony Perkins, Keegan Murray, Payton Sandfort, Josh Ogundele, Kris Murray, Connor Mccaffery, Riley Mulvey
0-⭐: Filip Rebraca
AVG: 2.83 ⭐’s

Illinois Fighting Illini (11)

 

NCAA Basketball: NCAA Touranment-Illinois vs Loyola ChicagoAlton Strupp/IndyStar

4-⭐: Brandin Podziemski, Trent Frazier, Omar Payne, Curbelo, Luke Goode, RJ Melendez, Kofi Cockburn
3-⭐: Brandon Lieb, Damonte Williams, Coleman Hawkins
0-⭐: Jacob Grandison, Alfonso Plummer, Ben Bosmans-Verdonk, Austin Hutcherson
AVG: 2.64 ⭐’s

Rutgers Scarlet Knights (12)

 

NCAA Basketball: Rutgers at MinnesotaDavid Berding-USA TODAY Sports

4-⭐: Cliff Omoruyi
3-⭐: Geo Baker, Oscar Palmquist, Jalen Miller, Mawot Mag, Paul Mulcahy, Aundre Hyatt, Dean Reiber, Caleb McConnell, Ron Harper Jr., Jaden Jones
0-⭐: Logan Stephens, Luke Nathan
AVG: 2.61 ⭐’s

Penn State Nittany Lions (13)

 

NCAA Basketball: Minnesota at Penn StateMatthew OHaren-USA TODAY Sports

3-⭐: Seth Lundy, Myles Dread, Caleb Dorsey, Dallion Johnson
2-⭐: John Harrar
0-⭐: Sam Sessoms, Greg Lee, Jaheam Cornwall, Jevonnie Scott, Jalanni White, Jalen Pickett
AVG: 1.27 ⭐’s

Minnesota Golden Gophers (14)

 

NCAA Basketball: Big Ten Conference Tournament- Minnesota vs NorthwesternAaron Doster-USA TODAY Sports

4-⭐: Isaiah Ihnen
3-⭐: Payton Willis, Eric Curry, Treyton Thompson
0-⭐: Abdoulaye Thiam, Jamison Battle, Luke Loewe, Charlie Daniels, Eylijah Stephens, Danny Ogele, Parker Fox, Sean Sutherlin
AVG: 1.08 ⭐’s

 

millerhusker

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COLLEGE BASKETBALL: MAR 12 Big Ten Tournament - Ohio State v PurduePhoto by Zach Bolinger/Icon Sportswire via Getty Images

What if recruiting rankings always translated to success on the court? What if the team who pulled in the top recruiting class each season always won the conference without fail? What if nobody ever improved after getting to school, and what if no top recruits ever fell apart/busted?

That would be pretty boring, I think. Part of what makes college athletics so fun is the fact that more often than not, recruits do veer away from what the “experts” predicted for them at some point. Two or three-star prospects end up being taken as first-round NBA Draft picks. Five-star recruits who were supposed to take the world by storm crash and burn, and wind up transferring elsewhere, or stop playing altogether. Teams jacked with talent underperform, while the plucky underdogs make a run to the Sweet Sixteen. It happens all the time, and it’s fantastic.

But what if everything went according to plan? What if recruiting rankings and “stars” were the only thing that mattered?

The age-old question of “do stars mater?” is dumb. Yes, they absolutely matter. Why do Duke and Kentucky continue to perform at the highest level, while Elon and William & Mary do not? The big programs pull in the best recruits... the four and five-star kids. The smaller schools, like Elon and William & Mary, rarely lock up any recruits that are awarded stars at all. So yes, they matter.

But how much do they matter?

To answer that question and have a bit of fun, I looked up the recruiting rankings/”stars” awarded to every single player in the Big Ten conference. Every. Single. One. I then averaged the number of “stars” each team in the B1G has per player, and ranked the teams from first to last. A few notes on this:

  • Walk-on’s were not included, as they were likely never given stars. Walk-on’s did not pull any team’s average down. If you find a walk-on listed here, let me know so I can remove them. I did my best to research and find out if they walked-on or not.
  • Transfer players count, and their original stars from their first team are included. If a player started at a small school like Elon, for example, they probably had zero stars. Even if they are a great player now at a Big Ten program (following a transfer, assumedly), their original number of stars is used here.
  • If it was not clear if a player was a walk-on or not, I did not include them.
  • All recruiting rankings are taken from 247Sports.com. I prefer them over Rivals and ESPN.
  • Rosters are for the 2021-2022 season

Players improve over time, we know this. Part of the reason this list is so fun/surprising is because there are a ton of players listed below who have completely out-played what the “experts” predicted for them in high school. I do not believe this is how the B1G will shake out this season, but if we’re only looking at stars, here’s your final standings!

Michigan State Spartans (1)

 

NCAA Basketball: Indiana at Michigan StateTim Fuller-USA TODAY Sports

5-⭐: Max Christie
4-⭐: Pierre Brooks, Jaden Akins, Malik Hall, Mady Sissoko, AJ Hoggard, Joey Hauser, Marcus Bingham Jr, Gabe brown
3-⭐: Tyson Walker, Julius Marble
AVG: 3.9 ⭐’s

Indiana Hoosiers (2)

 

NCAA Basketball: Big Ten Conference Tournament-Rutgers vs IndianaAaron Doster-USA TODAY Sports

5-⭐: Khristian Lander
4-⭐: Rob Phinisee, Miller Kopp, Jordan Geronimo, Trayce Jackson-Davis, Race Thompson, Logan Duncomb, Tamar Bates
3-⭐: Xavier Johnson, Michael Durr, Anthony Leal, Trey Galloway, Parker Stewart
AVG: 3.69 ⭐’s

Michigan Wolverines (3)

 

NCAA Basketball: NCAA Tournament-Florida State at MichiganMarc Lebryk-USA TODAY Sports

5-⭐: Moussa Diabate, Caleb Houstan
4-⭐: Hunter Dickinson, Kobe Bufkin, Zeb Jackson, Terrance Williams, Frankie Collins, Isaiah Barnes, Brandon Johns
3-⭐: Adrien Nunez, Jace Howard, Will Tschetter, Jaron Faulds, Eli Brooks
0-⭐: Devante Jones
AVG: 3.53 ⭐’s

Nebraska Cornhuskers (4)

 

NCAA Basketball: Big Ten Conference Tournament- Nebraska vs Penn StateAaron Doster-USA TODAY Sports

5-⭐: Bryce McGowens
4-⭐: CJ Wilcher, Trey McGowens, Keon Edwards, Wilhelm Breidenbach
3-⭐: Alonzo Verge Jr, Quaran McPherson, Lat Mayen, Keisei Tominaga, Oleg Kojenets, Eduardo Andre
2-⭐: Kobe Webster
0-⭐: Trevor Lakes
AVG: 3.46 ⭐’s

Purdue Boilermakers (5)

 

NCAA Basketball: NCAA Tournament-North Texas at PurdueAndrew Nelles-USA TODAY Sports

4-⭐: Caleb Furst, Trey Kaufman, Jaden Ivey, Ethan Morton
3-⭐: Mason Gillis, Eric Hunter Jr., Brandon Newman, Isaiah Thompson, Zach Edey, Trevion Williams, Sasha Stefanovich
AVG: 3.3 ⭐’s

Maryland Terrapins (6)

 

NCAA Basketball: NCAA Tournament-Maryland at ConnecticutMike Dinovo-USA TODAY Sports

4-⭐: James Graham, Eric Ayala, Julian Reese, Pavlo Dziuba, Ike cornish, Ian Martinez
3-⭐: Marcus Dockery, Fatts Russell, Hakim Hart, Donta Scott, Qudus Wahab
2-⭐: Xavier green
0-⭐: Simon Wright
AVG: 3.15 ⭐’s

Ohio State Buckeyes (7)

 

NCAA Basketball: Big Ten Conference Tournament-Ohio State vs IllinoisAaron Doster-USA TODAY Sports

4-⭐: Meechie Johnson, Malaki Branham, Kyle Young, EJ Liddell, Joey Brunk
3-⭐: Cedric Russell, Eugene Brown, Justin Ahrens, Justice Sueing, Kalen Etzler, Zed Key, Seth Towns, Jamari Wheeler
0-⭐: Jimmy Sotos
AVG: 3.14 ⭐’s

Wisconsin Badgers (8)

 

NCAA Basketball: NCAA Tournament-Wisconsin at North CarolinaIndyStar-USA TODAY Sports

4-⭐: Ben Carlson, Brad Davison
3-⭐: Jahcobi Neath, Jonathan Davis, Tyler Wahl, Isaac Lindsey, Lorne Bowman, Chris Hodges, Steven Crowl, Chucky Hepburn, Jordan Davis, Matthew Mors, Chris Vogt, Markus lver
AVG: 3.14 ⭐’s

Northwestern Wildcats (9)

 

NCAA Basketball: Northwestern at MinnesotaHarrison Barden-USA TODAY Sports

4-⭐: Casey Simmons, Pete Nance, Robbie Beran
3-⭐: Boo Buie, Ryan Greer, Ty Berry, Julian Roper, Brooks Barnhizer, Ryan Young, Matthew Nicholson
0-⭐: Chase Audige
AVG: 3 ⭐’s

Iowa Hawkeyes (10)

 

NCAA Basketball: NCAA Tournament-Oregon at IowaIndyStar-USA TODAY Sports

4-⭐: Pat Mccaffery
3-⭐: Joe Toussaint, Jordan Bohannon, Ahron Ulis, Tony Perkins, Keegan Murray, Payton Sandfort, Josh Ogundele, Kris Murray, Connor Mccaffery, Riley Mulvey
0-⭐: Filip Rebraca
AVG: 2.83 ⭐’s

Illinois Fighting Illini (11)

 

NCAA Basketball: NCAA Touranment-Illinois vs Loyola ChicagoAlton Strupp/IndyStar

4-⭐: Brandin Podziemski, Trent Frazier, Omar Payne, Curbelo, Luke Goode, RJ Melendez, Kofi Cockburn
3-⭐: Brandon Lieb, Damonte Williams, Coleman Hawkins
0-⭐: Jacob Grandison, Alfonso Plummer, Ben Bosmans-Verdonk, Austin Hutcherson
AVG: 2.64 ⭐’s

Rutgers Scarlet Knights (12)

 

NCAA Basketball: Rutgers at MinnesotaDavid Berding-USA TODAY Sports

4-⭐: Cliff Omoruyi
3-⭐: Geo Baker, Oscar Palmquist, Jalen Miller, Mawot Mag, Paul Mulcahy, Aundre Hyatt, Dean Reiber, Caleb McConnell, Ron Harper Jr., Jaden Jones
0-⭐: Logan Stephens, Luke Nathan
AVG: 2.61 ⭐’s

Penn State Nittany Lions (13)

 

NCAA Basketball: Minnesota at Penn StateMatthew OHaren-USA TODAY Sports

3-⭐: Seth Lundy, Myles Dread, Caleb Dorsey, Dallion Johnson
2-⭐: John Harrar
0-⭐: Sam Sessoms, Greg Lee, Jaheam Cornwall, Jevonnie Scott, Jalanni White, Jalen Pickett
AVG: 1.27 ⭐’s

Minnesota Golden Gophers (14)

 

NCAA Basketball: Big Ten Conference Tournament- Minnesota vs NorthwesternAaron Doster-USA TODAY Sports

4-⭐: Isaiah Ihnen
3-⭐: Payton Willis, Eric Curry, Treyton Thompson
0-⭐: Abdoulaye Thiam, Jamison Battle, Luke Loewe, Charlie Daniels, Eylijah Stephens, Danny Ogele, Parker Fox, Sean Sutherlin
AVG: 1.08 ⭐’s

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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I believe we were 2nd in the Big Ten in average star ranking in Miles' last year.

Swan88

Swan88

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42 minutes ago, millerhusker said:

I believe we were 2nd in the Big Ten in average star ranking in Miles' last year.

Don't know where those rankings stood, but Miles's 5 star (Copeland) was injured mid-season and did not play the rest of the way. 

49r

49r

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I think that star ranking only tells a small part of the story.  Experience, especially in college hoops, is absolutely critical to success.

 

So it's important to have talent, sure.  But it's just as important to be old.  Combine the two, and that's a recipe for success.

Norm Peterson

Norm Peterson

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1 hour ago, 49r said:

I think that star ranking only tells a small part of the story.  Experience, especially in college hoops, is absolutely critical to success.

 

So it's important to have talent, sure.  But it's just as important to be old.  Combine the two, and that's a recipe for success.

 

I was just going to say "don't let the 4- and 5-stars fool you." All of our 4- and 5-star players but one are freshmen. Only one of those freshmen is likely to start, meaning we'll only have one 5-star and one 4-star seeing big minutes.

 

Still, that's pretty good and better than a lot of teams.

Norm Peterson

Norm Peterson

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About talent, I recall having a brief argument on Twitter a couple of years ago with a guy who was unimpressed with the job Hoiberg had done putting together a roster in his first few months on the job.

 

I challenged the guy about that statement and pointed out that Hoiberg had basically filled an entire roster in roughly 30 days.

 

His response was there was no star power. No impact players. 🤔

 

And so I took another look at the roster and, by gum, he was right. Oh, but c'mon, we have a couple of the best juco transfers in the nation along with a guy who was a double-figure scorer at Marquette.

 

Yeah, OK, good luck with that was kind of the reply.

 

Two years ago we started a 17-year-old French kid at center because we had no alternatives other than Kevin Cross. Our 3-point sniper didn't pan out. The juco kids were underwhelming at best. And the Marquette transfer (by way of some Florida school) was really pretty good but didn't have a lot of help.

 

Last year, we upgraded the talent in some areas, but still had some huge, gaping deficiencies in skillsets.

 

This year, we've upgraded talent again. And we've closed some of those gaping deficiencies. I don't, for example, see a guard on the roster this year who is likely inept at shooting. Last year, we hardly had any guards who were *ept* at shooting.

 

We haven't lost ground in any area compared to a year ago. Both of our best bigs, for instance, have returned. I expect both will have improved over their Covid-year selves. And we've added some depth.

 

I'm not yet prepared to say how much progress this will mean in W/L record, but I am prepared to think we should be headed in the right direction.

Fullbacksympathy

Fullbacksympathy

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The stars definitely matter, but you want old 4* players across the board.

 

Also, I hate Iowa, but props to them for reigning in a whole lot of 4* players rated 3*.  

 

We'll make some noise this season.  Hoping for the bubble and some post season play seems reasonable.  What's amazing is how quickly that can change.  I think one more top 20 class like this and we'll be a top 5 team in the league with a tournament win on a regular basis.  The kids know Fred is a dude who can get them to the league, and the recruiters are top notch.  

huskerbill85

huskerbill85

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14 hours ago, Norm Peterson said:

About talent, I recall having a brief argument on Twitter a couple of years ago with a guy who was unimpressed with the job Hoiberg had done putting together a roster in his first few months on the job.

 

I challenged the guy about that statement and pointed out that Hoiberg had basically filled an entire roster in roughly 30 days.

 

His response was there was no star power. No impact players. 🤔

 

And so I took another look at the roster and, by gum, he was right. Oh, but c'mon, we have a couple of the best juco transfers in the nation along with a guy who was a double-figure scorer at Marquette.

 

Yeah, OK, good luck with that was kind of the reply.

 

Two years ago we started a 17-year-old French kid at center because we had no alternatives other than Kevin Cross. Our 3-point sniper didn't pan out. The juco kids were underwhelming at best. And the Marquette transfer (by way of some Florida school) was really pretty good but didn't have a lot of help.

 

Last year, we upgraded the talent in some areas, but still had some huge, gaping deficiencies in skillsets.

 

This year, we've upgraded talent again. And we've closed some of those gaping deficiencies. I don't, for example, see a guard on the roster this year who is likely inept at shooting. Last year, we hardly had any guards who were *ept* at shooting.

 

We haven't lost ground in any area compared to a year ago. Both of our best bigs, for instance, have returned. I expect both will have improved over their Covid-year selves. And we've added some depth.

 

I'm not yet prepared to say how much progress this will mean in W/L record, but I am prepared to think we should be headed in the right direction.

 

That guy is an idiot

Handy Johnson

Handy Johnson

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It wasn’t that long ago when the Bo Spencer’s & Ade Duganduro’s were STAR ⭐️ players on our teams surrounded by middling to less than talent. Time to “Coach em’ Up” Fred, you have the Worlds most exceedingly patient fan base, but .500 records (or worse) won’t cut it anymore.

atskooc

atskooc

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29 minutes ago, Handy Johnson said:

It wasn’t that long ago when the Bo Spencer’s & Ade Duganduro’s were STAR ⭐️ players on our teams surrounded by middling to less than talent. Time to “Coach em’ Up” Fred, you have the Worlds most exceedingly patient fan base, but .500 records (or worse) won’t cut it anymore.

The football program is proving your final statement incorrect.

millerhusker

millerhusker

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35 minutes ago, Handy Johnson said:

It wasn’t that long ago when the Bo Spencer’s & Ade Duganduro’s were STAR ⭐️ players on our teams surrounded by middling to less than talent. Time to “Coach em’ Up” Fred, you have the Worlds most exceedingly patient fan base, but .500 records (or worse) won’t cut it anymore.

I remember being really excited about Ade because he had an offer from Penn State. Seriously. Same with Toney McCray and Sek Henry because they had some power 5 offers. We were so used to beating out the likes of Weber State and Old Dominion for recruits in the days of Collier and Doc. We still played some dang good ball in those years though, enjoyable to watch and were almost always competitive. Underappreciated coaches, IMO. Collier teams finished 6th, 7th (twice), 8th and 9th in the conference. Doc finished 7th (three times) and 8th. Some people will blindly claim the Big Ten has been a much better conference than the Big 12 was back then, but I'm not buying it. Those were the days of players like Durant, Aldridge, Beasley, Griffin, Hinrich, Collison, Gooden and tons of other All-Americans. Also coaches like Eddie Sutton, Roy Williams, Bill Self, Bobby Knight, Quinn Snyder, Larry Eustachy, Rick Barnes, Kelvin Sampson, etc. 

 

Fred's a great basketball mind and he now has the talent that we maybe haven't had since Danny Nee. You're right, time to coach 'em up. 

atskooc

atskooc

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2 minutes ago, Handy Johnson said:

We’ll see in November, or after we get back from Norman...

I think Norman is going to be ugly.

 

Like Texas Tech 2004 ugly.

 

But Frost has had three sub .500 seasons. Fred has had two.

 

The football team has set the precedent. If Fred is sub .500 this year, why won't that "cut it anymore" when it still did after three such seasons for Frost?

 

Of course, I'm speaking in terms of the perspective of the athletic department. I'm about done with Frost, but I have much more patience for Fred (though some more wins this year would be great!).

Handy Johnson

Handy Johnson

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26 minutes ago, atskooc said:

I think Norman is going to be ugly.

 

Like Texas Tech 2004 ugly.

 

But Frost has had three sub .500 seasons. Fred has had two.

 

The football team has set the precedent. If Fred is sub .500 this year, why won't that "cut it anymore" when it still did after three such seasons for Frost?

 

Of course, I'm speaking in terms of the perspective of the athletic department. I'm about done with Frost, but I have much more patience for Fred (though some more wins this year would be great!).

Obviously Fred has a longer leash, shorter tenure, lower expectations, BUT he should be in the neighborhood of .500 this year & moving forward. As far as Scott, I’m worried about Buffalo being ugly...

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millerhusker

millerhusker

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5 minutes ago, 49r said:

 

Yeah let's enjoy the one year we're gonna get outta him.  Sheesh...have we ever had a lottery pick before?

Rich King was drafted 14th. Not sure if that was in the lottery back then. Pike was drafted 15th. 

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