TourneyBound Posted January 29, 2020 Report Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) Not sure what’s going on defensively I imagine it’s because we lack a true big man but I guess I was hoping for something a little better than what we’ve seen from a Doc Sadler defense. Edited January 29, 2020 by ConkintheCorner colhusker 1 Quote
hskr4life Posted January 29, 2020 Report Posted January 29, 2020 You also have to have guys that want to play D too. Quote
TourneyBound Posted January 29, 2020 Author Report Posted January 29, 2020 I tried post that graphic they showed on the television of our defense being last in every category in Big 10 but had no luck.. Quote
brfrad Posted January 29, 2020 Report Posted January 29, 2020 It's lack of size. Hopefully, with the 3 transfers sitting out we get more of a chance to not have to help down low. We defend the 3 pretty well. We have to use the Purdue, Iowa, Wisconsin strategy of letting them shoot 3's and hoping they are not on. It worked vs. Purdue and Iowa, but not against Wisconsin. I just looked at our conference stats. We are letting opponents shoot 30.7 % from 3 (good for 5th in the Big 10). We are letting opponents shoot 54.6 % from 2 (dead last in the Big 10. Iowa is 2nd to last at 52.5 %). Quote
colhusker Posted January 29, 2020 Report Posted January 29, 2020 39 minutes ago, ConkintheCorner said: Not sure what’s going on defensively I imagine it’s because we lack a true big man but I guess I was hoping for something a little better than what we’ve seen from a Doc Sadler defense. Agree, been very disappointed with Doc's defense this year. That said, he needs more horses. Quote
colhusker Posted January 29, 2020 Report Posted January 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, brfrad said: It's lack of size. Hopefully, with the 3 transfers sitting out we get more of a chance to not have to help down low. We defend the 3 pretty well. We have to use the Purdue, Iowa, Wisconsin strategy of letting them shoot 3's and hoping they are not on. It worked vs. Purdue and Iowa, but not against Wisconsin. I just looked at our conference stats. We are letting opponents shoot 30.7 % from 3 (good for 5th in the Big 10). We are letting opponents shoot 54.6 % from 2 (dead last in the Big 10. Iowa is 2nd to last at 52.5 %). Part of that is easy second and third shots at point blank range. No size and not boxing out. Husker Hoops Penitent 1 Quote
thrasher31 Posted January 29, 2020 Report Posted January 29, 2020 We're an easy team to attack. When you have two bigs (one who is a PF naturally), that's an easy team to attack on offense. Hoping the 3 sit outs/Mayen help. Quote
hhcmatt Posted January 29, 2020 Report Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, ConkintheCorner said: I tried post that graphic they showed on the television of our defense being last in every category in Big 10 but had no luck.. our poorness on defense is going to be amplified by our high tempo Nebrasketball1979 and Ron Mexico 2 Quote
jayschool Posted January 29, 2020 Report Posted January 29, 2020 Think about that 2008-2009 mighty mite team that finished 8-8 in the Big Ten. They weren't any taller than we are now, maybe even shorter. But they had tougher, more experienced players who knew how hard they had to work to succeed. Most importantly, Ade Dagunduro was a 6-5 senior and a MAN. Yvan is a 17-year-old BOY. Steve Harley was a 6-2 senior and strong. Cam Mack is a 6-0 sophomore and skinny. Handy Johnson and thrasher31 2 Quote
Huskerpapa Posted January 29, 2020 Report Posted January 29, 2020 Our defensive scheme seems fine; our defensive execution is piss poor. Sorry for the bluntness, but good lord a player or two breaks down nearly every play. It lead to wonder if we were attempting to stop penetrating guards, defend the perimeter shot or plugging the middle to stop the bigs. Having a shot blocker in the middle may help erase some mistakes, but each player needs to step it up...cause we don't have that eraser. Just to rant a bit, our group of talent seems to struggle with execution with most of what we do. You gotta hit free throws; you have to finish at the rim; you have to hit your open perimeter shots; et al. jayschool 1 Quote
Silverbacked1 Posted January 29, 2020 Report Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) We have the most trouble stopping the second big on the floor who is a worker. That guy that isn't great but goes for the loose balls, works hard,etc... I think what happens is that we do our rotations but we forget about that second big and he has the game of his life. Edited January 29, 2020 by Silverbacked1 Handy Johnson 1 Quote
brfrad Posted January 29, 2020 Report Posted January 29, 2020 28 minutes ago, jayschool said: Think about that 2008-2009 mighty mite team that finished 8-8 in the Big Ten. They weren't any taller than we are now, maybe even shorter. But they had tougher, more experienced players who knew how hard they had to work to succeed. Most importantly, Ade Dagunduro was a 6-5 senior and a MAN. Yvan is a 17-year-old BOY. Steve Harley was a 6-2 senior and strong. Cam Mack is a 6-0 sophomore and skinny. A lot of that defense was due to the pace we played at. We played at an incredibly low pace. The only calculator that I found for possessions showed we averaged 47.3 possessions per game. Crazy low. We were 4th in the Big 12 in 3 point percentage defense. We are going to have higher numbers than that year just due to the possessions. Like you said, we have a little more bulk, with experience. I think Doc will get these guys to play solid defense. Looking at ISU's numbers when Fred was coaching, it looks like their defense was lousy their 1st year, but turned things around the 2nd year. jayschool 1 Quote
hskr4life Posted January 29, 2020 Report Posted January 29, 2020 24 minutes ago, brfrad said: A lot of that defense was due to the pace we played at. We played at an incredibly low pace. The only calculator that I found for possessions showed we averaged 47.3 possessions per game. Crazy low. We were 4th in the Big 12 in 3 point percentage defense. We are going to have higher numbers than that year just due to the possessions. Like you said, we have a little more bulk, with experience. I think Doc will get these guys to play solid defense. Looking at ISU's numbers when Fred was coaching, it looks like their defense was lousy their 1st year, but turned things around the 2nd year. Wasn't Doc the DC at ISU once too? Quote
AuroranHusker Posted January 29, 2020 Report Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, jayschool said: Think about that 2008-2009 mighty mite team that finished 8-8 in the Big Ten. They weren't any taller than we are now, maybe even shorter. But they had tougher, more experienced players who knew how hard they had to work to succeed. Most importantly, Ade Dagunduro was a 6-5 senior and a MAN. Yvan is a 17-year-old BOY. Steve Harley was a 6-2 senior and strong. Cam Mack is a 6-0 sophomore and skinny. Even Burke is a tad slender to be a B1G starting guard. He gets swatted regularly. And he's easily thrown off-course on his drives against teams with Big Ten-quality guard play. I am rather frustrated that Dachon didn't use the year off to become a much stronger dude, but maybe he will before his final season in Lincoln... Quote
Fullbacksympathy Posted January 29, 2020 Report Posted January 29, 2020 Lack of depth plus pace = difficulties in executing a Doc defense. Lack of size = difficulties playing defense against anyone. There is literally no defensive scheme where not having size is desirable. Lack of rebounding = lack of transition and momentum. It’s a cycle, but count me as one who is impressed by the integrity of the coaching staff to install their system no matter who we’re trotting out there. Neither the offense nor defense are easy schemes to learn, but they have been steadily showing up. Once again, we had absolutely no business being tied at 50 with a team as talented as Michigan. We could be holding the ball and trying to be Wisconsin to keep games close, but we’re not doing that. Enjoy watching the building blocks. Next year the real era starts. khoock, Art Vandalay, Red Don and 2 others 1 4 Quote
brfrad Posted January 30, 2020 Report Posted January 30, 2020 17 hours ago, hskr4life said: Wasn't Doc the DC at ISU once too? ISU under Hoiberg (Looking at Sports-reference defensive ratings) 2010 - 11 111th in the country 9th in the Big 12 out of 12 teams 2011 - 12 159th in the country 6th in the Big 12 out of 10 teams 2012 - 13 171st in the country 7th in the Big 12 out of 10 teams 2013 - 14 117th in the country 5th in the Big 12 out of 10 teams *Doc's year at ISU 2014 - 15 109th in the country 8th in the Big 12 out of 10 teams It looks like ISU was never a defensive stopper under Hoiberg. They just tried to outscore you. Doc's only year, was typical compared to the rest of the country but the best year in conference. Offense (sports-reference) 2010 - 11 119th in the country 7th in the Big 12 out of 12 teams 2011 - 12 45th in the country 4th in the Big 12 out of 10 teams 2012 - 13 16th in the country 1st in the Big 12 out of 10 teams 2013 - 14 30th in the country 2nd in the Big 12 out of 10 teams 2014 - 15 28th in the country 1st in the Big 12 out of 10 teams So far this year we are 257th in offense and 277th in defense Last in the conference in each category hskr4life 1 Quote
hskr4life Posted January 30, 2020 Report Posted January 30, 2020 1 minute ago, brfrad said: ISU under Hoiberg (Looking at Sports-reference defensive ratings) 2010 - 11 111th in the country 9th in the Big 12 out of 12 teams 2011 - 12 159th in the country 6th in the Big 12 out of 10 teams 2012 - 13 171st in the country 7th in the Big 12 out of 10 teams 2013 - 14 117th in the country 5th in the Big 12 out of 10 teams *Doc's year at ISU 2014 - 15 109th in the country 8th in the Big 12 out of 10 teams It looks like ISU was never a defensive stopper under Hoiberg. They just tried to outscore you. Doc's only year, was typical compared to the rest of the country but the best year in conference. Offense (sports-reference) 2010 - 11 119th in the country 7th in the Big 12 out of 12 teams 2011 - 12 45th in the country 4th in the Big 12 out of 10 teams 2012 - 13 16th in the country 1st in the Big 12 out of 10 teams 2013 - 14 30th in the country 2nd in the Big 12 out of 10 teams 2014 - 15 28th in the country 1st in the Big 12 out of 10 teams So far this year we are 257th in offense and 277th in defense Last in the conference in each category Interesting stats! Thanks for looking this up. I think that it does show that it might be the horses and not the jockey/trainers. If we're criticizing Doc for bad D, then according to these stats, we should also criticize Fred for a bad O. Much like the win/loss totals, I will reserve judgement for a few years. Obviously, if you are looking at a 20+ loss season, you won't be ranked very high stats wise in most everything. Quote
rr52 Posted January 30, 2020 Report Posted January 30, 2020 21 hours ago, Huskerpapa said: Our defensive scheme seems fine; our defensive execution is piss poor. Sorry for the bluntness, but good lord a player or two breaks down nearly every play. It lead to wonder if we were attempting to stop penetrating guards, defend the perimeter shot or plugging the middle to stop the bigs. Having a shot blocker in the middle may help erase some mistakes, but each player needs to step it up...cause we don't have that eraser. Just to rant a bit, our group of talent seems to struggle with execution with most of what we do. You gotta hit free throws; you have to finish at the rim; you have to hit your open perimeter shots; et al. Sure most if not all have seen the clip of Tampa Bay Buccaneer head coach John McKay when asked about his teams execution. His reply was somewhere along the lines of he was all for it. Cazzie22 and Silverbacked1 1 1 Quote
hhcmatt Posted January 30, 2020 Report Posted January 30, 2020 3 hours ago, brfrad said: ISU under Hoiberg (Looking at Sports-reference defensive ratings) 2010 - 11 111th in the country 9th in the Big 12 out of 12 teams 2011 - 12 159th in the country 6th in the Big 12 out of 10 teams 2012 - 13 171st in the country 7th in the Big 12 out of 10 teams 2013 - 14 117th in the country 5th in the Big 12 out of 10 teams *Doc's year at ISU 2014 - 15 109th in the country 8th in the Big 12 out of 10 teams It looks like ISU was never a defensive stopper under Hoiberg. They just tried to outscore you. Doc's only year, was typical compared to the rest of the country but the best year in conference. Offense (sports-reference) 2010 - 11 119th in the country 7th in the Big 12 out of 12 teams 2011 - 12 45th in the country 4th in the Big 12 out of 10 teams 2012 - 13 16th in the country 1st in the Big 12 out of 10 teams 2013 - 14 30th in the country 2nd in the Big 12 out of 10 teams 2014 - 15 28th in the country 1st in the Big 12 out of 10 teams So far this year we are 257th in offense and 277th in defense Last in the conference in each category That site doesn't adjust their rankings for the strength of the opponents faced. The numbers are a bit better Fullbacksympathy 1 Quote
Noah121 Posted January 31, 2020 Report Posted January 31, 2020 On 1/28/2020 at 9:23 PM, jayschool said: Think about that 2008-2009 mighty mite team that finished 8-8 in the Big Ten. I think they finished 0-0 in the Big Ten. Nebrasketball1979, Silverbacked1, jayschool and 1 other 4 Quote
basketballjones Posted January 31, 2020 Report Posted January 31, 2020 We're not running, "Doc Sadler's defense," by any stretch of the imagination and nor should we with the tempo we want to play. Also, Doc Sadler's defense required 3 hour long practices where 1.75 hours of it were beating the players into defensive robots, and the other 1.25 were beating them into offensive robots. Doc was brought in to help with scouting, game planning, game management, recruiting connections, and overall experience. All things he's an expert and elite at. But we won't be seeing the patented "Doc Defense" under Coach Hoiberg. 49r, Coaches kid and Noah121 1 2 Quote
brfrad Posted February 2, 2020 Report Posted February 2, 2020 On 1/29/2020 at 10:55 PM, hhcmatt said: That site doesn't adjust their rankings for the strength of the opponents faced. The numbers are a bit better I couldn't find the national adjusted. I did find the conference adjusted. Thanks for the info. Quote
hhcmatt Posted February 10, 2020 Report Posted February 10, 2020 Saw that Maryland is yet another 'team with a dominant post player and so-so outside shooting' and picturing how we will defend them tcp 1 Quote
tcp Posted February 10, 2020 Report Posted February 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, hhcmatt said: Saw that Maryland is yet another 'team with a dominant post player and so-so outside shooting' and picturing how we will defend them Shameless "no one likes a snitch, Cindy" like. Quote
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