2020 SF CJ Wilcher -> Xavier -> Nebraska

[Nebrasketballer]

 

[Keenan9595]

It might just be me but this is super awesome to me because we technically recruited a freshman who has a whole season of conditioning, playing time in a good league and strength conditioning at the college level. 4 years of eligibility is a big deal!!!  It’s like having an evolved Pokémon without all the leveling up (sorry to the non-nerds and old people on here.) 

[Nebrasketballer]

15 minutes ago, Keenan9595 said:

It might just be me but this is super awesome to me because we technically recruited a freshman who has a whole season of conditioning, playing time in a good league and strength conditioning at the college level. 4 years of eligibility is a big deal!!!  It’s like having an evolved Pokémon without all the leveling up (sorry to the non-nerds and old people on here.) 

Also a younger brother currently ranked as a 5-star. Similar to Trey/Bryce McGowens... I like Hoiberg’s strategy of recruiting big time transfers from solid basketball programs in big time basketball conferences that can then recruit their 5-star younger brothers to Nebraska.

[Keenan9595]

22 minutes ago, Nebrasketballer said:

Also a younger brother currently ranked as a 5-star. Similar to Trey/Bryce McGowens... I like Hoiberg’s strategy of recruiting big time transfers from solid basketball programs in big time basketball conferences that can then recruit their 5-star younger brothers to Nebraska.

Oh no doubt, I’m just very happy with getting a dude who doesn’t have to take a year or two to start to develops physically, he’s already started that process and can shoot.  The brother thing doesn’t hurt either.  :)

[hhcmatt]

47 minutes ago, Keenan9595 said:

It might just be me but this is super awesome to me because we technically recruited a freshman who has a whole season of conditioning, playing time in a good league and strength conditioning at the college level. 4 years of eligibility is a big deal!!!  It’s like having an evolved Pokémon without all the leveling up (sorry to the non-nerds and old people on here.) 

 

[Keenan9595]

9 minutes ago, hhcmatt said:

 

Here. I’ll put it this way.  It’s like being able to dance the Charleston without having to work on a WW2 navel ship for 4 years to work on your cardio.  

[hhcmatt]

4 minutes ago, Keenan9595 said:

Here. I’ll put it this way.  It’s like being able to dance the Charleston without having to work on a WW2 navel ship for 4 years to work on your cardio.  

 

[Huskerpapa]

NICE!  Very nice!!!

[busticket]

Love this get.  Now we have, at least on paper, three serious three point threats coming in.  We badly need guys who can stroke it.  Was already a great group coming in....and now we add another big piece.  Love it!

[49r]

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[throwback]

Heard on a couple of different radio shows today that CJ, along with Bryce, has been very impressive through the first week - better than expected.

[AuroranHusker]

1 hour ago, throwback said:

Heard on a couple of different radio shows today that CJ, along with Bryce, has been very impressive through the first week - better than expected.

 

 

Excellent news thus far. NU will go far with tough, top-notch players (and recruits) such as CJ (and hopefully Simeon) & the McGowens brothers. GBR

 

 

[Norm Peterson]

I look at CJ as having some of the same skills as Teddy Allen without some of the baggage.

 

I think they're very similar in terms of size, skillset, athleticism (or lack thereof -- both a little less explosive than other high majors), and craftiness with scoring the ball.

 

The big difference, from what I can see, is that CJ fits our system better from a team-player perspective. He might not have explosive footspeed, but he has a lightning-quick release and ample accuracy. He doesn't seem like a guy who demands the ball in his hands like Teddy did, not the one who insists on initiating the offense, and therefore the ball doesn't stop in his hands. But when he gets the ball in catch-and-shoot situations, it's gone. You were standing right next to him and you were still too late to close out.

 

I guess time will tell whether my perceptions are accurate or not, but I kind of look at CJ as being a rich man's Teddy Allen. Or, conversely, looking at Teddy as being a poor man's CJ Wilcher.

[Red Don]

1 hour ago, Norm Peterson said:

I look at CJ as having some of the same skills as Teddy Allen without some of the baggage.

 

I think they're very similar in terms of size, skillset, athleticism (or lack thereof -- both a little less explosive than other high majors), and craftiness with scoring the ball....................the ball doesn't stop in his hands. But when he gets the ball in catch-and-shoot situations, it's gone. You were standing right next to him and you were still too late to close out.

 

I guess time will tell whether my perceptions are accurate or not, but I kind of look at CJ as being a rich man's Teddy Allen. Or, conversely, looking at Teddy as being a poor man's CJ Wilcher.

 

 

Love this take, Norm!!! 

Edited June 15, 2021 by Red Don

[busticket]

Granted I have only seen Wilcher in highlights but I am not sure him and Teddy are all that similar other than lack of foot speed.  I would describe Teddy as an unorthodox, streaky YMCA style volume scorer that just gets the ball in the hoop.  Wilcher seems very much like a pure shooter to me, an old school catch-and-shoot SG.  We shall see.  I know I am really excited to see him play in a live game.

[Fullbacksympathy]

CJ can guard too.  Big difference on the defensive end.  

[Norm Peterson]

4 hours ago, busticket said:

Granted I have only seen Wilcher in highlights but I am not sure him and Teddy are all that similar other than lack of foot speed.  I would describe Teddy as an unorthodox, streaky YMCA style volume scorer that just gets the ball in the hoop.  Wilcher seems very much like a pure shooter to me, an old school catch-and-shoot SG.  We shall see.  I know I am really excited to see him play in a live game.

 

Fine. Not arguing with that description of Teddy Allen. He's a bit unorthodox. But I've seen CJ do a lot of the step-back moves Teddy Allen would do to create space in his mid-range game. CJ is intuitive getting shots off in traffic around the rim, like Teddy. They both are quick shooters from deep and both are pretty accurate, but I expect that CJ should be a touch more accurate. I don't know, I just see a lot of similarities, all the way down to the way they carry themselves.

 

Now, Teddy's shot is unorthodox. CJ's is more "normal." I expect CJ isn't going to be the guy who wants to have the ball in his hands all the time, initiate the offense by way of some hero-ball move, and have the ball stop in his hands. But, in terms of skillset, what they're good at, they have a lot in common.

[49r]

CJ Wilcher
0 · Roselle, NJ

		Ht	Wt	Yr	G	%Min	ORtg	%Poss	%Shots	eFG%	TS%	OR%	DR%	ARate	TORate	Blk%	Stl%	FC/40	FD/40	FTRate	FTM-A	Pct	2PM-A	Pct	3PM-A	Pct
2021 SF	66 Xavier	6-5	195	Fr	15	17.9	101.6	17.0	19.6	51.1	53.3	5.2	6.2	5.7	15.6	0.7	1.9	2.9	1.9	8.9	4-4	.999	8-16	.500	10-29	.345
	Conference-only				12	23.5	110.0	15.5	18.7	55.7	57.0	4.3	8.1	7.6	12.1	0.9	1.9	2.6	1.7	5.7	2-2	.999	6-11	.545	9-24	.375
	vs. Tier A+B*				11	24.2	104.1	15.0	18.5	50.0	53.0	3.8	7.5	6.2	9.7	0.9	1.5	2.8	2.1	12.1	4-4	.999	6-10	.600	7-23	.304
	vs. Tier A*				5	27.5	99.7	13.4	16.5	43.3	47.0	5.3	11.0	6.3	7.5	2.0	1.0	3.6	2.0	13.3	2-2	.999	2-4	.500	3-11	.273
						Similar: Jayden Hardaway '20 (915), Lawson Korita '17 (908), Tanner Riley '11 (906), Thomas Bropleh '11 (906), Nemanja Mitrovic '10 (903), More...
	Career				15																4-4	.000	8-16	.500	10-29	.345
	vs. Tier A+B*				11																4-4	.000	6-10	.600	7-23	.304
	vs. Tier A*				5																2-2	.000	2-4	.500	3-11	.273

*Tier A and B represent top 50 and top 100 opponents, respectively, adjusted for game location. See game logs below for specific games.
Position identification is based on an algorithm using play-by-data.

 

2021 Game Data

			Opponent	Result		Site			St	MP	ORtg	%Ps	Pts	2Pt	3Pt	FT	OR	DR	A	TO	Blk	Stl	PF
	Mar 10	120	Butler	L, 70-69	OT	Neutral	BE-T			20	79	28	7	2-5	1-3	0-0	1	0	0	2	0	0	1
	Mar 6	83	Marquette	L, 66-59		Away	BE		•	32	100	16	10	2-4	2-5	0-0	0	1	1	1	0	1	0
	Mar 2	63	Georgetown	L, 72-66		Away	BE			20	78	19	4	1-3	0-3	2-2	3	3	1	1	1	1	3
	Feb 27	22	Creighton	W, 77-69		Home	BE			10	149	11	3	0-0	1-2	0-0	0	1	1	0	0	0	1
	Feb 24	80	Providence	L, 83-68		Away	BE			3	-	-	2	1-1	0-1	0-0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0
	Feb 21	120	Butler	W, 63-51		Home	BE			6	-	-	0	0-0	0-0	0-0	1	1	1	1	0	1	1
	Feb 16	69	St. John's	L, 93-84		Away	BE			12	102	10	3	0-0	1-3	0-0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
	Feb 13	21	Connecticut	L, 80-72		Home	BE			11	117	14	5	1-1	1-3	0-0	0	2	0	0	0	0	0
	Jan 30	120	Butler	W, 68-55		Away	BE			10	160	14	5	1-1	1-2	0-0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1
	Jan 10	80	Providence	W, 74-73		Home	BE			6	-	-	6	0-1	2-3	0-0	1	0	0	1	0	0	0
	Jan 6	69	St. John's	W, 69-61		Home	BE		Did not play
	Dec 30	54	Seton Hall	L, 85-68		Home	BE			6	-	-	3	0-0	1-2	0-0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0
	Dec 23	22	Creighton	L, 66-61		Away	BE			2	-	-	0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1
	Dec 20	83	Marquette	W, 91-88		Home	BE			4	-	-	0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0	0	0	0	0	1	1
	Dec 9	39	Oklahoma	W, 99-77		Home				7	-	-	2	0-0	0-1	2-2	1	0	0	0	0	1	1
	Dec 6	116	Cincinnati	W, 77-69		Away				3	-	-	0	0-0	0-1	0-0	0	0	0	1	0	0	1
	Dec 2	313	Tennessee Tech	W, 79-48		Home			Did not play
	Nov 30	174	Eastern Kentucky	W, 99-96	OT	Home			Did not play
	Nov 27	74	Toledo	W, 76-73		Home			Did not play
	Nov 26	146	Bradley	W, 51-50		Home			Did not play
	Nov 25	221	Oakland	W, 101-49		Home			Did not play
			Opponent	Result		Site			St	MP	ORtg	%Ps	Pts	2Pt	3Pt	FT	OR	DR	A	TO	Blk	Stl	PF

[49r]

Teddy Allen
0 · Mesa, AZ · 6-7-98

		Ht	Wt	Yr	G	%Min	ORtg	%Poss	%Shots	eFG%	TS%	OR%	DR%	ARate	TORate	Blk%	Stl%	FC/40	FD/40	FTRate	FTM-A	Pct	2PM-A	Pct	3PM-A	Pct
2021 SF·SG	109 Nebraska  National Rank	6-6	223	Jr	21	55.6	98.8	29.9 46	32.7 20	52.2	54.7	4.8	13.4	16.4	16.5	0.2	2.5 421	3.2	4.9 239	29.1	56-81	.691	82-168	.488	42-110	.382 365
	Conference-only Conference Rank				15	54.4	96.7	28.9 5	31.7 3	53.2	55.6	2.6	14.2	17.5 23	18.1	0.0	1.2	3.3	4.1 25	23.8	33-45	.733 25	54-114	.474	31-75	.413 10
	vs. Tier A+B*				17	53.7	94.6	29.8	32.9	51.6	54.2	4.1	13.4	17.1	17.6	0.3	1.4	3.1	4.2	22.7	38-51	.745	65-139	.468	34-86	.395
	vs. Tier A*				12	55.4	90.1	28.9	30.6	49.7	52.2	4.0	13.2	16.5	18.3	0.0	1.2	3.0	4.3	26.2	27-39	.692	41-94	.436	22-55	.400
	Age: 22.6 (+1.0)					Similar: Peter Jok '17 (906), Desi Rodriguez '18 (901), Peter Jok '16 (900), LJ Figueroa '20 (895), Tyler Lamb '14 (894), More...
2018 SF	12 West Virginia 5 S16	6-5	225	Fr	35	28.1	106.1	29.3	29.2	47.4	52.4	11.1	14.7	9.5	15.3	0.0	1.8	6.1	6.2	41.0	59-80	.738	88-170	.518	3-25	.120
	Conference-only				16	26.9	110.3	26.7	28.4	51.2	55.6	8.5	11.1	7.8	14.5	0.0	1.8	5.1	5.2	33.7	23-29	.793	44-84	.524	0-2	.000
	vs. Tier A+B*				25	26.5	107.1	26.2	27.3	47.5	53.3	8.6	13.3	8.2	14.6	0.0	1.6	6.1	6.0	43.4	41-53	.774	58-114	.509	0-8	.000
	vs. Tier A*				17	23.7	97.3	26.2	25.6	42.6	50.2	7.9	12.2	12.4	14.1	0.0	2.3	7.2	6.6	54.4	28-37	.757	29-64	.453	0-4	.000
	Age: 19.6 (+0.2)					Similar: Deonte Burton '14 (865), Kelan Martin '15 (864), Deshaun Thomas '11 (838), Taurean Prince '14 (835), Marcellus Earlington '20 (835), More...
	Career				56																115-161	.714	170-338	.503	45-135	.333
	vs. Tier A+B*				42																79-104	.760	123-253	.486	34-94	.362
	vs. Tier A*				29																55-76	.724	70-158	.443	22-59	.373

*Tier A and B represent top 50 and top 100 opponents, respectively, adjusted for game location. See game logs below for specific games.
Position identification is based on an algorithm using play-by-data.

 

2021 Game Data

			Opponent	Result		Site			St	MP	ORtg	%Ps	Pts	2Pt	3Pt	FT	OR	DR	A	TO	Blk	Stl	PF
	Mar 10	40	Penn St.	L, 72-66		Neutral	B10-T		Did not play
	Mar 7	79	Northwestern	L, 79-78		Away	B10		Did not play
	Mar 4	7	Iowa	L, 102-64		Away	B10		Did not play
	Mar 1	38	Rutgers	W, 72-51		Home	B10		Did not play
	Feb 27	62	Minnesota	W, 78-74		Home	B10			10	38	20	0	0-1	0-2	0-0	0	1	2	1	0	2	1
	Feb 25	4	Illinois	L, 86-70		Away	B10		•	20	71	27	7	3-6	0-1	1-2	1	3	1	3	0	0	2
	Feb 23	40	Penn St.	L, 86-83		Home	B10	MVP	•	38	138	37	41	10-15	6-9	3-3	0	8	6	4	0	1	2
	Feb 20	25	Purdue	L, 75-58		Home	B10		•	19	53	34	6	3-7	0-3	0-2	0	1	2	2	0	0	0
	Feb 17	35	Maryland	L, 79-71		Away	B10		•	32	132	34	25	4-7	4-7	5-5	1	4	3	3	0	0	1
	Feb 16	35	Maryland	L, 64-50		Away	B10		•	35	97	27	18	5-9	2-6	2-4	0	5	1	1	0	1	1
	Feb 14	40	Penn St.	W, 62-61		Away	B10	MVP	•	33	106	20	14	4-7	2-4	0-0	0	6	3	2	0	0	1
	Feb 12	4	Illinois	L, 77-72	OT	Home	B10		•	36	106	23	15	5-11	0-1	5-5	3	5	1	2	0	1	1
	Feb 10	14	Wisconsin	L, 61-48		Home	B10		•	25	73	33	12	1-5	3-5	1-2	1	1	2	5	0	0	4
	Feb 8	62	Minnesota	L, 79-61		Away	B10		Did not play
	Feb 6	64	Michigan St.	L, 66-56		Away	B10		•	23	33	28	3	1-8	0-2	1-2	1	2	2	3	0	2	2
	Jan 10	50	Indiana	L, 84-76		Home	B10		•	39	97	27	21	3-7	3-8	6-7	0	5	1	3	0	0	5
	Jan 2	64	Michigan St.	L, 84-77		Home	B10		•	25	114	36	23	7-11	3-7	0-0	2	4	1	3	0	1	3
	Dec 30	11	Ohio St.	L, 90-54		Away	B10		•	22	105	30	13	1-4	2-5	5-6	0	3	2	2	0	0	4
	Dec 25	3	Michigan	L, 80-69		Home	B10		•	34	99	36	25	6-12	3-10	4-5	1	5	0	2	0	0	2
	Dec 22	14	Wisconsin	L, 67-53		Away	B10		•	25	74	27	11	1-4	3-5	0-2	0	1	1	3	0	1	5
	Dec 17	NR	Doane	W, 110-64		Home			•	18	106	32	16	5-7	2-7	0-0	1	4	1	2	0	2	1
	Dec 11	22	Creighton	L, 98-74		Away			•	31	111	35	26	7-14	3-6	3-4	5	4	2	4	0	2	2
	Dec 9	37	Georgia Tech	L, 75-64		Home			•	28	72	30	10	4-11	0-5	2-2	3	0	1	2	1	1	1
	Dec 1	159	South Dakota	W, 76-69		Home			•	23	101	47	23	5-10	2-5	7-11	3	2	1	4	0	1	3
	Nov 28	139	North Dakota St.	W, 79-57		Home		MVP	•	31	116	28	22	6-7	3-10	1-3	0	7	2	1	0	5	2
	Nov 26	91	Nevada	L, 69-66		Home		MVP	•	28	111	30	17	1-4	2-7	9-13	4	2	1	0	0	5	3
	Nov 25	340	McNeese St.	W, 102-55		Home			•	24	114	23	14	5-8	1-2	1-3	1	4	2	2	0	3	2
			Opponent	Result		Site			St	MP	ORtg	%Ps	Pts	2Pt	3Pt	FT	OR	DR	A	TO	Blk	Stl	PF

 

 

 

[busticket]

55 minutes ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

Fine. Not arguing with that description of Teddy Allen. He's a bit unorthodox. But I've seen CJ do a lot of the step-back moves Teddy Allen would do to create space in his mid-range game. CJ is intuitive getting shots off in traffic around the rim, like Teddy. They both are quick shooters from deep and both are pretty accurate, but I expect that CJ should be a touch more accurate. I don't know, I just see a lot of similarities, all the way down to the way they carry themselves.

 

Now, Teddy's shot is unorthodox. CJ's is more "normal." I expect CJ isn't going to be the guy who wants to have the ball in his hands all the time, initiate the offense by way of some hero-ball move, and have the ball stop in his hands. But, in terms of skillset, what they're good at, they have a lot in common.

You could be spot on about CJ’s mid range game.  That is a part of his game I really don’t know much about.  It would be nice if he is a crafty scorer inside the arc; it would supplement his three point shooting nicely. He has good size for a wing and it would be nice if he could effective back down opposing wings.  I think with seasoning he will be more efficient than Teddy. I am almost more excited to see CJ than Bryce, which is probably weird since Bryce is a 5 star.