KenPom 2017-2018 KenPom Rankings Thread

[hhcmatt]

1 hour ago, jdostal said:

We were expected to win by 1 and we won by 3; that's not gonna move the kenpom meter much.

 

Yup. A team that belongs in the top 20-30 should beat this Maryland team by 10.  We've seen we're capable of killing a team and capable of being killed....at this point just good consistent play that might not impress computers will do nicely.

[Norm Peterson]

OK, I'm calling BS again on Kenny's system here.  Back on Jan 22, we were 63rd and projected to only win 19 games on the season.

 

We're now projected to win 22 games but that only bumps us up to #52?  Doing better than he expected doesn't seem to have moved the needle very much.  Time to tweak his system a bit.

[Swan88]

And how does a team come in at #21 with three lop-sided losses in the last nine games: by 14, 20 and 22?

[tcp]

Dimes: "We've seen we're capable of killing a team and capable of being killed..."

 

All in the same game!

[49r]

Ugh, do I really have to do this today?  Here is today's KenPom update:

 

 

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KenPom rankings as of 2-19-18
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B1G (11-5):
4. Michigan State (10) - L
6. Purdue (17) - L
17. Ohio State (78) - L
23. Michigan (32) - W
25. Penn State (40) - L
41. Maryland (41) - W
56. Nebraska (98)
72. Indiana (65)

78. Northwestern (18) - W

90. Wisconsin (31) - W, W
99. Iowa (54) - W
102. Minnesota (36) - W, W
105. Illinois (104) - W, L
142. Rutgers (125) - W, W

 

Non-Conference (9-4):
263. Eastern Illinois - W
177. North Texas - W

 

---Gavitt Tip-Off---
71. @St. John's - L

248. North Dakota - W

 

---Advocare Invitational---
93. UCF - L
317. Marist - W
192. Long Beach State - W

 

---B1G/ACC Challenge--- 
80. Boston College - W

 

27. @Creighton - L

 

---Shelter Insurance Showcase---
11. Kansas - L

 

175. UTSA - W
351. Delaware State - W
311. Stetson - W

 

 

**Parenthesis after the Big Ten team names indicates the season starting KenPom ranking.

**Blue indicates NIT team from last year, Red is NCAA Tourney

[hskr4life]

9-1 against teams below us is still a hell of a run.  Would be interested to see the team that finished 4th last year and their record against teams below them.

[Shawn Eichorst's Toupee]

32 minutes ago, hskr4life said:

9-1 against teams below us is still a hell of a run.  Would be interested to see the team that finished 4th last year and their record against teams below them.

 

That would be Minnesota. Went 11-7 in the Big Ten regular season, with 2-3 against the top 3 (Purdue, Wisconsin, and Maryland), and 9-4 against the rest.

 

Their four losses came at Penn State, home and away against Michigan State, and at Ohio State.

Edited February 19, 2018 by Shawn Eichorst's Toupee
added in loss detail

[tcp]

i was certain we'd have a subconscious agreement to not bring this thread up today. 

On a happier note, we're not moving much, either. it seems like we're destined to be in the mid 50s win or lose. 

 

[hskr4life]

2 hours ago, Shawn Eichorst's Toupee said:

 

That would be Minnesota. Went 11-7 in the Big Ten regular season, with 2-3 against the top 3 (Purdue, Wisconsin, and Maryland), and 9-4 against the rest.

 

Their four losses came at Penn State, home and away against Michigan State, and at Ohio State.

 

Thanks!  So we have the chance to go 2-4, 10-1.  I would say that’s a pretty big deal.

[NUtball]

Did PSU really jump to 25?  If they stay at 25 or better, if NU can beat them that would also be a Q1 win, correct?

 

(also, another Q1 loss from game at PSU, but by no means a bad loss or was loss to 25-50 team on road already Q1 loss?)

Edited February 19, 2018 by NUtball

[jdostal]

This is for kenpom, not RPI. Penn St is 76th in the RPI currently.

[NUtball]

Just now, jdostal said:

This is for kenpom, not RPI. Penn St is 76th in the RPI currently.

 

Thanks.  Too many darn numbers to keep track of.  It didn't seem quite right.

Edited February 19, 2018 by NUtball

[hskr4life]

3 minutes ago, jdostal said:

This is for kenpom, not RPI. Penn St is 76th in the RPI currently.

 

Tier system..... Penn State (hottest team in Big 10, a few huge wins, only team to beat OSU... twice) TIER 3 HOME GAME.

 

Ridiculous.  

[HuskerFever]

28 minutes ago, NUtball said:

 

Thanks.  Too many darn numbers to keep track of.  It didn't seem quite right.

 

Hopefully you don't have to remember "RPI" for much longer...

[northwillriseagain]

23 hours ago, hskr4life said:

 

Tier system..... Penn State (hottest team in Big 10, a few huge wins, only team to beat OSU... twice) TIER 3 HOME GAME.

 

Ridiculous.  

The same team Lunardi says can make a big bubble run. I’m sure if Nebraska wins though, just 2 mediocre teams.

 

 

[nustudent]

10 hours ago, northwillriseagain said:

The same team Lunardi says can make a big bubble run. I’m sure if Nebraska wins though, just 2 mediocre teams.

 

 

Penn State has two potentially quad 1 wins in their final 2 games.   Thats why.

 

 

[49r]

Holding steady at #56 - we'll know by game time Sunday what we need to do go get that #4 spot in the BTT.  Worst case scenario we finish #5. 

 

Tue Jan 2	97	80	Northwestern	W, 70-55	62		Away	11-5	2-1
Sat Jan 6	81	6	Purdue	L, 74-62	72		Away	11-6	2-2
Tue Jan 9	81	85	Wisconsin	W, 63-59	66		Home	12-6	3-2
Fri Jan 12	81	25	Penn St.	L, 76-74	76	OT	Away	12-7	3-3
Mon Jan 15	81	105	Illinois	W, 64-63	66		Home	13-7	4-3
Thu Jan 18	85	24	Michigan	W, 72-52	59		Home	14-7	5-3
Mon Jan 22	67	14	Ohio St.	L, 64-59	61		Away	14-8	5-4
Wed Jan 24	65	154	Rutgers	W, 60-54	65		Away	15-8	6-4
Sat Jan 27	63	99	Iowa	W, 98-84	70		Home	16-8	7-4
Mon Jan 29	61	85	Wisconsin	W, 74-63	70		Away	17-8	8-4
Tue Feb 6	61	106	Minnesota	W, 91-85	69		Away	18-8	9-4
Sat Feb 10	56	154	Rutgers	W, 67-55	62		Home	19-8	10-4
Tue Feb 13	52	36	Maryland	W, 70-66	64		Home	20-8	11-4
Sun Feb 18	53	105	Illinois	L, 72-66	65		Away	20-9	11-5
Tue Feb 20	56	73	Indiana	W, 66-57	65		Home	21-9	12-5
Sun Feb 25		25	Penn St.	W, 71-70	67	51%	Home		×
Projected record:								22-9	13-5

[tcp]

I'm riffing here, so my recollection might be in huge error--but it seems to me we've only had 3 home court opportunities at 1 Quadrant games all season. And in that group, we went 2-1 with the only loss a last second make by KU. We were that close to going undefeated against Quad 1 teams at home this season (and it's already been said that the committee is likely to grants us that status for the Minny pre-scandal win). 

 

You have to believe that's going to mitigate the rpi effect in the selection process. we just didn't get hardly any home games to prove ourselves. 

[nustudent]

1 minute ago, tcp said:

I'm riffing here, so my recollection might be in huge error--but it seems to me we've only had 3 home court opportunities at 1 Quadrant games all season. And in that group, we went 2-1 with the only loss a last second make by KU. We were that close to going undefeated against Quad 1 teams at home this season (and it's already been said that the committee is likely to grants us that status for the Minny pre-scandal win). 

 

You have to believe that's going to mitigate the rpi effect in the selection process. we just didn't get hardly any home games to prove ourselves. 

 

You bring up a good point.   The X Factor in this is the Minnesota game.   The committee says they take things like injuries into account.   How do they view the suspension of Lynch.  And how much weight will they put on it.  Thats the part that no one knows outside the room and its frustrating

[tcp]

1 minute ago, nustudent said:

 

You bring up a good point.   The X Factor in this is the Minnesota game.   The committee says they take things like injuries into account.   How do they view the suspension of Lynch.  And how much weight will they put on it.  Thats the part that no one knows outside the room and its frustrating

 

Actually, I believe that was specifically talked about in the broadcast during the Illinois game (before we wet the bed). But that could have been just the thoughts of the B1G rep only. But I think that's not something publicly if they're just lobbying. 

 

I really think they do give us credit. And acknowledge that the schedule was beyond our control. 

I think we're going to look better in the process than fans think, what with our obsession over rpi and whatever that goatf***ing cretin Lunardi has to snark about (I'm just being bitter). 

[nustudent]

1 minute ago, tcp said:

 

Actually, I believe that was specifically talked about in the broadcast during the Illinois game (before we wet the bed). But that could have been just the thoughts of the B1G rep only. But I think that's not something publicly if they're just lobbying. 

 

I really think they do give us credit. And acknowledge that the schedule was beyond our control. 

I think we're going to look better in the process than fans think, what with our obsession over rpi and whatever that goatf***ing cretin Lunardi has to snark about (I'm just being bitter). 

Dont think it is just the BTN guy who thinks that.   I think the committee has intentions on reviewing things like that.   My question is not if they do...but how much stock and value do they actually put into it.   My gut instinct says not much.

 

I don't think SOS or RPI is going to be a concern for us.   THey aren't ideal....but it's pretty obvious we tried to get some good teams on the schedule in the part that we have a control over.   Only question for me is if we can show that we have beaten enough quality teams

[brfrad]

2 minutes ago, nustudent said:

Dont think it is just the BTN guy who thinks that.   I think the committee has intentions on reviewing things like that.   My question is not if they do...but how much stock and value do they actually put into it.   My gut instinct says not much.

 

I don't think SOS or RPI is going to be a concern for us.   THey aren't ideal....but it's pretty obvious we tried to get some good teams on the schedule in the part that we have a control over.   Only question for me is if we can show that we have beaten enough quality teams

IIRC, Bruce Rasmussen said in the Omaha World Herald that they would take into account the Minnesota game, when they were at full strength. 

[nustudent]

Just now, brfrad said:

IIRC, Bruce Rasmussen said in the Omaha World Herald that they would take into account the Minnesota game, when they were at full strength. 

I think he did.   I have no doubt they say they do....I just doubt how much they actually do behind closed doors

[49r]

Woo, Delaware State on the uprise!  Here is today's KenPom update:

 

 

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KenPom rankings as of 2-21-18
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B1G (12-5):
4. Michigan State (10) - L
6. Purdue (17) - L
14. Ohio State (78) - L
24. Michigan (32) - W
25. Penn State (40) - L
36. Maryland (41) - W
56. Nebraska (98)
73. Indiana (65) - W

80. Northwestern (18) - W

85. Wisconsin (31) - W, W
99. Iowa (54) - W
105. Illinois (104) - W, L
106. Minnesota (36) - W, W
154. Rutgers (125) - W, W

 

Non-Conference (9-4):
262. Eastern Illinois - W
176. North Texas - W

 

---Gavitt Tip-Off---
71. @St. John's - L

249. North Dakota - W

 

---Advocare Invitational---
93. UCF - L
319. Marist - W
194. Long Beach State - W

 

---B1G/ACC Challenge--- 
83. Boston College - W

 

35. @Creighton - L

 

---Shelter Insurance Showcase---
11. Kansas - L

 

173. UTSA - W
350. Delaware State - W
312. Stetson - W

 

 

**Parenthesis after the Big Ten team names indicates the season starting KenPom ranking.

**Blue indicates NIT team from last year, Red is NCAA Tourney

[Norm Peterson]

Yay, so Del State is NOT the worst team in the country!  Yay us.