Officiating

[throwback]

I registered here just to comment on this.  As an NDSU fan I was rooting for Nebraska and Coach Miles for obvious reasons.  Having watched Miles Coach for years I can tell you as you probably already know he's one of the most professional and passionate coaches in the game.  Take the winning or losing out of the equation for a minute.  I know the right thing to do is to "take the high road"  which Coach did in the presser after the game.  But those who oversee the officials for the NCAA had ought to take notice of this game.  When you see a disparity as wide as it was in fouls between two teams called and as you can clearly see it's not a first for this official or a crew he's been a part you really have to raise an eyebrow.  Yes those who watched the game can agree that in the end the Huskers didn't do themselves any favors by the way they played yet its beyond unfortunate that for all the years of hard work for these players, coaches and the grand stage they get to play on if they are talented and lucky enough it shouldn't be hijacked by an unprofessional ref or crew.  Let the teams decide the game not the refs.  So unfortunate it went down the way it did but I have no doubt Tim will have you guys back in the tournament and get that first "W" in the coming years.  He's a winner as you already know.

"Go Bison"

Loved watching the Bison take down OU last night! That was fun

[Bugeaters1]

If youbthin officiating hurt us only you are a crack addict...sad to say but true

Well most of the nation is on crack then DUDE cuz they all saying the same thing.

[throwback]

There were a lot of paid NCAA scoring officials sitting at the table that didn't notice that clock error either, including the guy who should be running the shot clock. A coach should never have to point that error out in an NCAA tournament game. I'd guess there has to be double the normal number of people sitting at the scorer's table vs a regular season game.

 

Those guys dropped the ball big time.

 

Then again if they had been lulled to sleep by the seemingly endless parade of FTs during the game, I can't blame them. Most of the TV audience that stuck around was in the same boat.

[KZRider]

So what is the accrediting/oversight agency for officials in the NCAA and what influence would a coach/AD be able to exert? It seems like the cry for accountability is always voiced but I never hear about anything actually being DONE.

[hhctony]

While the officiating was suspect, I posted this on Facebook and will stick by it. The game is called differently in the tournament and the B1G does their teams no favors by calling a completely different game during the season. In addition to today, Ohio State had 14 fouls to Dayton's 12 (not a big deal, but when Craft had four that completely changes things for the Buckeyes) and Iowa had 28 fouls to Tennessee's 14.

 

Not surprised that John Behlein, Bo Ryan and Tom Izzo were the B1G coaches to advance. Understand defense without fouling. I think the league does there teams no favors by allowing play so physical that it does not translate into the tournament. Michigan, State and Wisconsin have best players to adjust. Nobody else did. Something Huskers will have to figure out.

[brfrad]

While the officiating was suspect, I posted this on Facebook and will stick by it. The game is called differently in the tournament and the B1G does their teams no favors by calling a completely different game during the season. In addition to today, Ohio State had 14 fouls to Dayton's 12 (not a big deal, but when Craft had four that completely changes things for the Buckeyes) and Iowa had 28 fouls to Tennessee's 14.

 

Not surprised that John Behlein, Bo Ryan and Tom Izzo were the B1G coaches to advance. Understand defense without fouling. I think the league does there teams no favors by allowing play so physical that it does not translate into the tournament. Michigan, State and Wisconsin have best players to adjust. Nobody else did. Something Huskers will have to figure out.

The first half was even in fouls.  I have no problem with that.  If you call a touch foul on one end, you call it on the other end.  Nebraska actually outscored Baylor in the paint.  You mean to tell me that Baylor was able to avoid contact in the paint, but Nebraska couldn't?  I understand what you are saying, but it doesn't mean that Baylor plays without fouling.  The first half proved that, and we actually attacked the rim MORE in the 2nd half, yet Baylor fouled 10 times less than when Nebraska was taking jump shots in the first half.

[AuroranHusker]

While the officiating was suspect, I posted this on Facebook and will stick by it. The game is called differently in the tournament and the B1G does their teams no favors by calling a completely different game during the season. In addition to today, Ohio State had 14 fouls to Dayton's 12 (not a big deal, but when Craft had four that completely changes things for the Buckeyes) and Iowa had 28 fouls to Tennessee's 14.

 

Not surprised that John Behlein, Bo Ryan and Tom Izzo were the B1G coaches to advance. Understand defense without fouling. I think the league does there teams no favors by allowing play so physical that it does not translate into the tournament. Michigan, State and Wisconsin have best players to adjust. Nobody else did. Something Huskers will have to figure out.

 

That is an excellent point about the better coaches in the league that know how to teach D w/ reaching, pushing & grabbing. Nebraska will need to do a better job of positioning their feet & not grabbing unnecessarily.

 

Case in point is none other than Terran Petteway in "fouling" when he needn't. I think he averaged 3 1/2 fouls per game. That is a mind-boggling number, and the worst part is that TP probably averages 2 to 2 1/2 dumb fouls a game in the process of frustration/retaliation.

 

In today's game, it seemed that David Rivers was beyond frustrated that the refs continued to call him out when the Baylor post would commit a foul that went uncalled. It was a bit of a double-standard, but all in all, Miles & Co. will need to step up their game teaching the art of the defensive stance & chopping your feet laterally to keep up w/ offensive personnel (instead of using 'hands' to hold up guys) this off-season to better prepare his team for tournament action.

[Blackshirt83]

Best way i've heard it put- Officiating didn't lose this game for Nebraska but it decided it for Baylor.

[Huskerpapa]

One way to beat length (which Baylor has) is by playing physical.  We were not able to play physical against Baylor.  Against Wisconsin, we were allowed to play physical. 

[Bugeaters1]

There were a lot of paid NCAA scoring officials sitting at the table that didn't notice that clock error either, including the guy who should be running the shot clock. A coach should never have to point that error out in an NCAA tournament game. I'd guess there has to be double the normal number of people sitting at the scorer's table vs a regular season game.

 

Those guys dropped the ball big time.

 

Then again if they had been lulled to sleep by the seemingly endless parade of FTs during the game, I can't blame them. Most of the TV audience that stuck around was in the same boat.

Another question that I have is at the BIG 10 tourney in Indy the Pacers people ran the all of the scoreboards IE the fouls shot clock time remaining and all of the stats. Does the NCAA hire their own people for all games games or do they let the NBA people run stuff when the games are held at an NBA arena ?

[hhcscott]

Apparently they hired the clowns from the Barkley CDW commercial

[cozrulz]

This is the worst officiated game I've ever seen....ever. A 48-16 disparity is criminal. Yes we played poorly but so did Baylor. The difference was Baylor getting to the FT line 3x more than Nebraska. The refs completely took the game out of the players hands. Would we have lost if lets say the difference was just 2x more? We will never know because the refs took the outcome of the game out of the players hands.

 

I don't want to take to much away from Baylor. They came as advertised, long and athletic. They absolutely owned us in the post.

 

It was beyond bad.  I usually don't call out officiating but those guys shouldn't be allowed to officiate another game.

 

Those away from ball fouls on Rivers were ridiculous when the next possession Baylor players were doing the same thing.

 

Must have been a pretty sensitive bunch with Miles getting one technical.  Which I guess it may have been borderline but a good official would have just ran to his spot and called the game.  The second one was absurd.

[rwmctrofholz]

The problem I have is the foul calls down low in the 2nd half on Smith, Rivers, and Pitchford.  They were battling for position against Austin, Gathers, and Jefferson.  A couple times, Rivers would beat Austin to the spot.  Austin would throw Rivers' arms away, and later in the possession, he would back his way into Rivers, and Rivers would get called for the foul.  Petteway on the other end, would drive the lane, and get hammered by Austin, and no call.  Rivers would get hit by Austin, and no call.  After the first half, when they were calling fouls on Baylor, they stopped for some reason.  Shields call on Cherry, or Franklin after the missed alley-oop, was by far a terrible call.  He BARELY touched the player.

 

Oh my God!  I had forgotten about the alley oop foul on Shields.  Damn.  I was just about calmed down and instead I will resume pacing the house.  Thanks for nothin!

[nuled2dance]

Officials didn't cost us..didn't help...offense was pathetic

[hhcmatt]

Best way i've heard it put- Officiating didn't lose this game for Nebraska but it decided it for Baylor.

 

Completely agree.

We dug our own grave in the first half. It would have taken a perfect storm in the second half but there wasn't a chance with all the phantom fouls and whatnot that occurred.

[Bugeaters1]

[hhcscott]

Is that where they were before the game?

[aphilso1]

My intention in creating this thread wasn't just to complain about today's refs.  It was also to look at the issue from a more macro level for the future -- how does Nebraska position itself so that games like this don't happen, or at the very least, happen far less regularly?  I mean think about it, Karl Hess didn't wake up this morning planning on screwing us over.  He had no prior history with our team or this coaching staff.  No beef with us.  So why did we get bent over the proverbial barrel today, and how do we minimize the chance of it happening again?  

I already posted my thoughts in the OP on what factors influence officiating, and we're well on our way to getting more calls.  And to be honest, there were a few home games this year that we got our fair share of breaks.  This was the first year I can remember feeling that way, as getting hosed seemed like a regular occurrence over the past decade or so.  But we HAVE gotten a strong home court advantage, we HAVE a coach who is respected almost universally, and we HAVE a core of athletic guys that can dribble penetrate and force the refs to make a decision.  I honestly think that games like this or the Aaron Craft fiasco will soon be solidly in our rear view mirror.  Getting calls is not just dumb luck.  As a program, you CAN position yourself to get the benefit of the doubt, and we are close to doing that.  

[Huskerpapa]

Basketball has been, and will continue to be a game of adjustments.  Nobody likes to hear excuses, so I won't throw one out there.  Yet, one issue we had this year was the ability to adjust to how a game was called.  Once this team is more mature, that ability/skill should come our way. 

[Silverbacked1]

While the officiating was suspect, I posted this on Facebook and will stick by it. The game is called differently in the tournament and the B1G does their teams no favors by calling a completely different game during the season. In addition to today, Ohio State had 14 fouls to Dayton's 12 (not a big deal, but when Craft had four that completely changes things for the Buckeyes) and Iowa had 28 fouls to Tennessee's 14.

 

Not surprised that John Behlein, Bo Ryan and Tom Izzo were the B1G coaches to advance. Understand defense without fouling. I think the league does there teams no favors by allowing play so physical that it does not translate into the tournament. Michigan, State and Wisconsin have best players to adjust. Nobody else did. Something Huskers will have to figure out.[/size]

Have said this for years, even before we got into theB1G. Very physical league that gets hurt in the tournament. Guess we know now and will need to change.

[brfrad]

Basketball has been, and will continue to be a game of adjustments. Nobody likes to hear excuses, so I won't throw one out there. Yet, one issue we had this year was the ability to adjust to how a game was called. Once this team is more mature, that ability/skill should come our way.

One of my biggest pet peeves in sports is this. Baseball is the worst. I can't stand it when an announcer says the players have to adjust to how the game is called. No, they don't. It is clearly defined in the rulebook what is a foul, and what isn't.

[brfrad]

Did anyone see K-State get called for a technical in pre game warmups for dunking. I knew the rule existed, I just didn't think they enforced it anymore.

[Silverbacked1]

We beat Baylor at home if we play them. I will out on a limb and say we give them a run for their money in Waco.

So that is what upset me. This was a winnable game that started out bad and we tried to recover only to have the rug yanked out again.

[Silverbacked1]

Basketball has been, and will continue to be a game of adjustments. Nobody likes to hear excuses, so I won't throw one out there. Yet, one issue we had this year was the ability to adjust to how a game was called. Once this team is more mature, that ability/skill should come our way.

One of my biggest pet peeves in sports is this. Baseball is the worst. I can't stand it when an announcer says the players have to adjust to how the game is called. No, they don't. It is clearly defined in the rulebook what is a foul, and what isn't.

and why should it be different from league to league? What is called in the B1G a foul should be the same in the ACC.

[KZRider]

 

While the officiating was suspect, I posted this on Facebook and will stick by it. The game is called differently in the tournament and the B1G does their teams no favors by calling a completely different game during the season. In addition to today, Ohio State had 14 fouls to Dayton's 12 (not a big deal, but when Craft had four that completely changes things for the Buckeyes) and Iowa had 28 fouls to Tennessee's 14.

 

Not surprised that John Behlein, Bo Ryan and Tom Izzo were the B1G coaches to advance. Understand defense without fouling. I think the league does there teams no favors by allowing play so physical that it does not translate into the tournament. Michigan, State and Wisconsin have best players to adjust. Nobody else did. Something Huskers will have to figure out.[/size]

Have said this for years, even before we got into theB1G. Very physical league that gets hurt in the tournament. Guess we know now and will need to change.

 

 

Not sure I agree. For years and years the Big East would have teams go deep into the tournament playing a VERY physical brand of ball. When did that change? Must have been between the Louisville win last year and the tournament this year. Also, our game wasn't all that physical today but fouls like the ones called on Rivers for just trying to hold position got called. IMO this was NOT a matter of style being penalized. It was a matter of refs doing an AWFUL job.