KenPom 2023-2024 KenPom Rankings Thread

[jimmykc]

Jimmy's simplistic take: I don't pay much attention to all the NET,SOS,SOR crap, since I don't understand the metrics. We have 5 games left and we have a decided advantage at home this year, so I'll assume two victories unless we toad up. If we win one of the away games, we are probably in and if we win two of them, we are definitely in with a higher seed. The league tourney gives us a chance to pick up some "gravy" games as well. Better yet, let's just win them all and trash this thread. 

[hskr4life]

I’ve started to follow the metrics and everything a lot more this year.  Mostly because of how we’re doing and it’s the first time in a long time that it has affected us.  From what I gathered and personal opinion…

 

Your NET ranking doesn’t ranking itself doesn’t really mean squat in determining whether you get in or not.  Instead your opponents NET ranking is more important as that determines the Quads which the committee does factor in as.  So while it’d be nice to be closer to MSU in the NET, I’d much rather have them where they are and give us a Q1 win.

 

SOR (strength of record) and KPI are result based metrics.  Basically

how would other teams do with you’re schedule?  From what I’ve seen, no team in the last, I think 5, years has been left out with a SOR AND KPI below 45.  We’re currently at 39 KPI and 37 SOR.  However I’m sure losing a bad game would drop that.  Result based metrics are more used in determining who gets in from what I gathered.

 

BPI and KenPom are considered predictive metrics and are used in seeding more so than who gets in.  Not saying they don’t have any influence on who is in. These metrics have greatly improved for us in the last few weeks.  We were in the 60’s at one point for both and now have both into the 40’s with POM sitting right at 40.

 

Basically our team sheet looks really good right now and I think being

 considered one of the last 8 teams in stings because of all our metrics.  But if you project out the rest of the regular season, it makes sense that we could end up close to the bubble.  No real chance to improve the resume and metrics with who is on the schedule.

 

Winning out at home is an absolute must and almost assures us no Q3 or Q4 losses.  Then winning 1-2 on the road does a couple of things including helps the Nebraska doesn’t win away from home narrative and gives us another Q2 win or two.

 

 

[Cookie Miller Wasn't Dirty]

2 minutes ago, hskr4life said:

Basically our team sheet looks really good right now and I think being

 considered one of the last 8 teams in stings because of all our metrics.  But if you project out the rest of the regular season, it makes sense that we could end up close to the bubble.  No real chance to improve the resume and metrics with who is on the schedule.

 

I just did a deep dive on the team sheets for all teams seeded 7 and worse, plus the first 12 teams out according to Lunardi. I’d say we’re placed about where we should be. Our record vs Q1+Q2 is on the slightly lower end compared to the group. Our road record is obviously as low as it gets.

 

Purdue win is a boost. After that our best wins are average or even subpar compared to most other bubble teams. I think our fanbase is still viewing the Wisconsin win as a top tier win, which is creating this narrative that we have a bunch of high quality wins that other teams don’t. It would be the 3rd or 4th best win for most bubble teams.

[49r]

The Michigan State win is clearly our second best win at this point.

[Cookie Miller Wasn't Dirty]

20 minutes ago, 49r said:

The Michigan State win is clearly our second best win at this point.

Yep. It’s critical they keep winning, along with Purdue, Wisconsin, Northwestern, and Kansas State.

 

Purdue is in trouble at halftime for the second consecutive game… hopefully they rally again.

[unl]

15 minutes ago, Cookie Miller Wasn't Dirty said:

Yep. It’s critical they keep winning, along with Purdue, Wisconsin, Northwestern, and Kansas State.

 

Purdue is in trouble at halftime for the second consecutive game… hopefully they rally again.

I’m nervous a bit. There’s a lot of talk about Nebraska can win out on the road or at least 1-2. And here Purdue is losing 50-38 at Ohio State. Take nothing for granted. 

[Cookie Miller Wasn't Dirty]

37 minutes ago, unl said:

I’m nervous a bit. There’s a lot of talk about Nebraska can win out on the road or at least 1-2. And here Purdue is losing 50-38 at Ohio State. Take nothing for granted. 

If one thing’s for certain, coming off a couple wins fans will believe we’ll never lose again. Coming off a couple losses fans will believe the season is over.

 

In my view we’re still dogs in each of our three road games. Do I think we’ll pick one up? Probably. Two or three is a tall task.

[hskr4life]

2 minutes ago, Cookie Miller Wasn't Dirty said:

If one thing’s for certain, coming off a couple wins fans will believe we’ll never lose again. Coming off a couple losses fans will believe the season is over.

 

In my view we’re still dogs in each of our three road games. Do I think we’ll pick one up? Probably. Two or three is a tall task.

We’re absolutely road dogs in the next two.  Indiana and OSU are still Indiana and OSU.  Michigan will be the interesting one.  Is Juwan a dead man walking at that point?  Do they fire him

before we play them?  Norm has said this a lot, but that’s the one where we’ve never won before.  

[Cookie Miller Wasn't Dirty]

2 minutes ago, hskr4life said:

We’re absolutely road dogs in the next two.  Indiana and OSU are still Indiana and OSU.  Michigan will be the interesting one.  Is Juwan a dead man walking at that point?  Do they fire him

before we play them?  Norm has said this a lot, but that’s the one where we’ve never won before.  

Yeah they played tough against Sparty last night. Beat Wisconsin at home. They have their best player in home games. Could be Howard’s last home game, which will be emotional. I’d call us dogs unless we prove otherwise at Indiana and Ohio State.

[Cookie Miller Wasn't Dirty]

1 hour ago, Cookie Miller Wasn't Dirty said:

Yep. It’s critical they keep winning, along with Purdue, Wisconsin, Northwestern, and Kansas State.

 

Purdue is in trouble at halftime for the second consecutive game… hopefully they rally again.

Down goes Purdue. The sparkling win on our resume loses a bit of shine. Desperately need them to start playing better. Almost lost at home to Minnesota too.

 

The good news? Ohio State is certainly locked into the top 75 of NET, meaning our home win will remain Q2 and our road game will be a Q1 opportunity.

[big red22]

3 hours ago, Vinny said:

It actually seems that ranking is about winning on the road. We’re #50 with one road win. Get a couple more and we’ll be fine.

Ok... and Michigan State has 2... and they were just as high before the Michigan win.  So I disagree, but I still stick to name on the jersey matters a bit more to NET crap

[Cookie Miller Wasn't Dirty]

18 minutes ago, big red22 said:

Ok... and Michigan State has 2... and they were just as high before the Michigan win.  So I disagree, but I still stick to name on the jersey matters a bit more to NET crap

NET is purely numbers based. The biggest head scratcher is BYU being #9. They aren’t a big name.

 

MSU is high because they’ve played an extremely difficult SOS, and while they’ve lost most of their Q1 games, they were close losses. Win margin matters a great deal to NET.

[cipsucks]

53 minutes ago, big red22 said:

 but I still stick to name on the jersey matters a bit more to NET crap

 

I also think personalities and story lines matter more than NET.  Huskers have that going for them this year.  

[AuroranHusker]

18 hours ago, cipsucks said:

 

I also think personalities and story lines matter more than NET.  Huskers have that going for them this year.  

 

Would the story of the Huskers winning their 1st NCAA Tournament ballgame in the state of Nebraska qualify as "newsworthy." 

 

[hhcmatt]

KenPom Nebraska MVPs Leader Board

(he automatically assigns a game MVP to the most impactful player, typically from the winning team but not always)

 

Juwan Gary - 5
Rienk Mast - 4
Brice Williams - 2
Keisei Tominaga - 2
Josiah Allick - 2
CJ Wilcher - 2

[cipsucks]

7 hours ago, hhcmatt said:

KenPom Nebraska MVPs Leader Board

(he automatically assigns a game MVP to the most impactful player, typically from the winning team but not always)

 

Juwan Gary - 5
Rienk Mast - 4
Brice Williams - 2
Keisei Tominaga - 2
Josiah Allick - 2
CJ Wilcher - 2

 

Gary will have 6 after tomorrow night's win.  Sure glad we didn't lose him for the season. 

[Norm Peterson]

Kenpom isn't refreshing after this game as quickly as they usually do. But what kind of bounce do we get with a 15-point road win at Indiana? Hmmmm? They hammer us if we don't put up 30 against Rider. Better reward us for a big road win tonight. NET better also. Or I'll be sending out a strongly worded memo. And take them off my Christmas Card list.

[royalfan]

1 minute ago, Norm Peterson said:

Kenpom isn't refreshing after this game as quickly as they usually do. But what kind of bounce do we get with a 15-point road win at Indiana? Hmmmm? They hammer us if we don't put up 30 against Rider. Better reward us for a big road win tonight. NET better also. Or I'll be sending out a strongly worded memo. And take them off my Christmas Card list.

It won't be very big as there was some separation in our area of the rankings as far as the raw data goes.  I would expect a move by one or two spots tops, not accounting for other action tonight. 

Edited February 22 by royalfan

[brfrad]

Just now, royalfan said:

It won't be very big as there was some separation in our area of the rankings as far as the raw data goes.  I would expect a move by one or two spots tops. 

He had a 1 point win for us, and we win by 15.  I could see us going up a couple spots.  The Rider game was also early.  Not as many data points as this point in the season.

[B1G Red]

Up to 38. Not too shabby.

[Nebrasketball1979]

13 minutes ago, brfrad said:

He had a 1 point win for us, and we win by 15.  I could see us going up a couple spots.  The Rider game was also early.  Not as many data points as this point in the season.

Up to #38...had to refresh about 100 times but it finally updated 

[royalfan]

tremendous!  and sort of flipped that separation in the process so hard to fall drastically!

[Cookie Miller Wasn't Dirty]

Dang I was hoping for more. We moved up 5 after the home PSU win. Good points on creating some separation though.

 

Will be interesting to see NET movement.

[Norm Peterson]

Torvik is now projecting us at 12-8 in conference and 22 overall. 

 

We're favored in 3 out of 4 remaining games. And we're less than 2 point dogs at Ohio State.

 

@cipsucks might be right. We might just win out.

[hskr4life]

3 minutes ago, Cookie Miller Wasn't Dirty said:

Dang I was hoping for more. We moved up 5 after the home PSU win. Good points on creating some separation though.

 

Will be interesting to see NET movement.

Also interested in resume metrics as those were already nearing the Top 35