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[49r]

58 UTEP (27-8)

Miners
Head coach: Doc Sadler
Western Athletic Conference

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Scouting Report 

Stats include games against D-I teams only  Conference only

Category	Offense	Defense	D-I Avg
Adj. Efficiency	112.7 32	101.1 130	102.7
Adj. Tempo	65.9 172		66.1
Four Factors
Effective FG%:	51.5 68	49.6 179	49.3
Turnover %:	18.0 26	22.2 101	21.3
Off. Reb. %:	31.8 185	30.9 105	35.5
FTA/FGA:	39.4 93	31.4 68	36.5
Miscellaneous Components
3P%:	36.8 63	33.4 94	34.6
2P%:	50.0 76	49.3 210	48.0
FT%:	79.3 1	68.1 134	68.7
Block%:	10.4 266	7.5 204	8.8
Steal%:	7.8 11	10.9 122	10.4
Style Components
3PA/FGA:	28.8 263	33.3 178	33.0
A/FGM:	63.5 27	57.9 229	55.7
Defensive Fingerprint:	Inconclusive
Point Distribution (% of total points)
3-Pointers:	23.6 263	27.7 167	27.7
2-Pointers:	53.1 143	54.6 73	52.0
Free Throws:	23.3 34	17.7 274	20.3
Strength of Schedule
Components:	102.2 190	102.9 150	102.7
Overall:	-0.68 169		0.00
Non-conference:	-5.30 290		0.00

2005 Schedule

Game Plan | Opponent Tracker

Date	Opponent		Result			Location	Record	Conf
Sun Nov 21	209	Delaware St.	W, 83-50	64		Home	1-0
Tue Nov 23	299	Jackson St.	W, 83-57	75		Home	2-0
Fri Nov 26	70	Arizona St.	W, 66-65	66		Neutral	3-0
Sat Nov 27	29	Southern Illinois	L, 68-62	66		Neutral	3-1
Tue Nov 30	292	IPFW	W, 67-58	64		Home	4-1
Sat Dec 4	32	Texas Tech	L, 72-57	77		Home	4-2
Sun Dec 12	NR	Panhandle St. Oklahoma	W, 69-44	61		Home	5-2
Wed Dec 15	271	New Mexico St.	W, 75-64	68		Away	6-2
Sat Dec 18	271	New Mexico St.	W, 79-61	66		Home	7-2
Tue Dec 21	NR	Occidental	W, 72-46	61		Home	8-2
Mon Dec 27	301	Alabama St.	W, 89-57	78		Home	9-2
Tue Dec 28	142	Princeton	W, 68-42	55		Home	10-2
Sat Jan 1	214	Boise St.	W, 91-77	63		Away	11-2	1-0
Thu Jan 6	91	Rice	W, 96-67	76		Home	12-2	2-0
Sat Jan 8	177	Tulsa	W, 105-70	79		Home	13-2	3-0
Wed Jan 12	55	Nevada	W, 83-80	74	OT	Away	14-2	4-0
Sat Jan 15	168	Fresno St.	L, 66-63	63		Away	14-3	4-1
Thu Jan 20	127	Hawaii	W, 71-70	67		Home	15-3	5-1
Sat Jan 22	280	San Jose St.	W, 69-65	65		Home	16-3	6-1
Thu Jan 27	130	SMU	W, 60-55	56		Away	17-3	7-1
Sat Jan 29	150	Louisiana Tech	L, 80-65	70		Away	17-4	7-2
Thu Feb 3	177	Tulsa	L, 65-54	70		Away	17-5	7-3
Sat Feb 5	91	Rice	W, 73-71	69		Away	18-5	8-3
Thu Feb 10	168	Fresno St.	W, 93-80	70		Home	19-5	9-3
Sat Feb 12	55	Nevada	L, 62-60	64		Home	19-6	9-4
Wed Feb 16	280	San Jose St.	W, 70-62	60		Away	20-6	10-4
Sat Feb 19	40	Pacific	L, 73-66	65		Away	20-7
Mon Feb 21	127	Hawaii	W, 71-67	57		Away	21-7	11-4
Fri Feb 25	150	Louisiana Tech	W, 89-69	68		Home	22-7	12-4
Sun Feb 27	130	SMU	W, 79-74	64		Home	23-7	13-4
Sat Mar 5	214	Boise St.	W, 78-64	71		Home	24-7	14-4
Western Athletic Conference Tournament
Thu Mar 10	127	Hawaii	W, 80-62	68		Neutral	25-7
Fri Mar 11	91	Rice	W, 85-77	69		Neutral	26-7
Sat Mar 12	214	Boise St.	W, 91-78	72		Neutral	27-7
NCAA Tournament - 11 seed
Thu Mar 17	20	Utah	L, 60-54	62		Neutral	27-8

[Dean Smith]

5 hours ago, kldm64 said:

 

Not necessarily.  They have been friends for a long time and sometimes it's easier to hire people you know as opposed to the best coaches out there. 

 

Overall coaching record of 205 - 201 (.505%)  = Average Coach

Personally, I thought his end of game management was lacking but all in all a good coach of the fundamentals, X's & O's, and inspiring (threatening at times?) athletes to play with great effort. In today's game though recruiting is an indispensable skill needed to be a head coach at a high level. His inability to bring in players that were equal in ability to most conference opponents was his downfall. You can excel in one part of your job but still have weaknesses in other areas.

 

Hoiberg got fired from his last coaching job. There will be a honeymoon but if he isn't successful here with the resources given, he will be fired again. When your job is on the line, you don't bring in incompetent people because they are your friends. Our current head coach has acknowledged that defense is not a particular strength. Doc is here to teach defense. No matter what other weaknesses he had as a head coach, Hoiberg hired him because he thought Doc excels at that aspect of coaching. Liking your  co-workers is a is definitely a benefit, but you don't stay a D-1 head coach if you base your hires off of people you already know and like.

[Norm Peterson]

2 hours ago, 49r said:

@Norm Peterson I believe what @kldm64 was saying there was that Doc was handed a very good team at UTEP by Billy Gillespie.  Which, I believe he was.

 

That's not the way I read it, but if that's what he meant, it would certainly be more accurate because Doc inherited an absolute dumpster fire when he took over here.

[Dead Dog Alley]

On ‎8‎/‎13‎/‎2019 at 7:24 PM, Dean Smith said:

Personally, I thought his end of game management was lacking but all in all a good coach of the fundamentals, X's & O's, and inspiring (threatening at times?) athletes to play with great effort. In today's game though recruiting is an indispensable skill needed to be a head coach at a high level. His inability to bring in players that were equal in ability to most conference opponents was his downfall. You can excel in one part of your job but still have weaknesses in other areas.

 

Hoiberg got fired from his last coaching job. There will be a honeymoon but if he isn't successful here with the resources given, he will be fired again. When your job is on the line, you don't bring in incompetent people because they are your friends. Our current head coach has acknowledged that defense is not a particular strength. Doc is here to teach defense. No matter what other weaknesses he had as a head coach, Hoiberg hired him because he thought Doc excels at that aspect of coaching. Liking your  co-workers is a is definitely a benefit, but you don't stay a D-1 head coach if you base your hires off of people you already know and like.

 

If he isn't successful - given that we still have a newish arena and facilities, an apparent upswing in in-state talent, a full share of Big Ten money, and that he is the highest profile coach we've ever had and the only reason we had a shot at getting him was because of family connections - if he isn't successful, it would probably be time for everyone to make peace with the fact that we'll probably never be any good.

 

I'm betting on success, though. Two hundred and seventy other schools have won an NCAA tournament game (or some number around that), so it really can't be that difficult, especially if you have a reasonable level of competence.

 

I'm not disagreeing with anything stated above, but I am saying that this doesn't work, probably nothing will.

Edited August 15, 2019 by Dead Dog Alley

[thrasher31]

Listened to his whole interview on FB and he mentioned how they aren't "selfish" anymore as a unit. Good interview nonetheless

[kldm64]

3 hours ago, 49r said:

@Norm Peterson I believe what @kldm64 was saying there was that Doc was handed a very good team at UTEP by Billy Gillespie.  Which, I believe he was.

 

correct!!!

[kldm64]

54 minutes ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

That's not the way I read it, but if that's what he meant, it would certainly be more accurate because Doc inherited an absolute dumpster fire when he took over here.

 

Yes, I meant at UTEP.  Sorry I might not have been clear on that.  I totally understand he was not handed a great team at NU.  UTEP was his only school he had a decent record at but that was mainly due to the situation he inherited and he was only head coach for 2 years.

[Norm Peterson]

2 hours ago, kldm64 said:

 

Yes, I meant at UTEP.  Sorry I might not have been clear on that.  I totally understand he was not handed a great team at NU.  UTEP was his only school he had a decent record at but that was mainly due to the situation he inherited and he was only head coach for 2 years.

 

OK, I misunderstood you. I figured you were too aware to think Doc took over a good situation here.

[kldm64]

9 hours ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

OK, I misunderstood you. I figured you were too aware to think Doc took over a good situation here.

 

No worries.  My point was that I was excited about Doc coming to NU based on what he did at UTEP but looking back, realized his record there might have had more to do with the talented team he was handed.  Over time at NU, it was clear he was not the coach that was going to excite the NU fan base or get NU basketball to where we would all like it to be.

[hhcmatt]

17 hours ago, kldm64 said:

 

How else would you judge him since he has been a head coach at 3 different schools?  Hard to say whether he is a good or bad assistant coach as not sure what you measure that on? 

 

Boiling Doc down to a winning percentage seems like a disservice given how well known he is. It's common knowledge that he's an excellent defensive coach and a below average recruiter which can be backed up by his KenPom numbers and the fact that none of the guys he recruited (at least at Nebraska) sniffed the NBA.

 

Doc's strengths of defense, experience, and ability to take some of the microscope off of Hoiberg makes him a pretty complementary coach to the staff that otherwise seems that it should be good on the offensive side and in recruiting.

[Navin R. Johnson]

 

Jon Rothstein

@JonRothstein

 

Well embedded moles in Lincoln said that Nebraska freshman guard Samari Curtis was one of team's best players in Italy. Should be a major factor in team's rotation.

[Husker4theSpurs]

Doc himself said he is a good defensive coach and a mediocre offensive coach. Seems to me Hoiberg coaches offense, Sadler coaches D, and Gates and (especially) Abdelmassih focus on recruiting.

[Norm Peterson]

24 minutes ago, Husker4theSpurs said:

Doc himself said he is a good defensive coach and a mediocre offensive coach. Seems to me Hoiberg coaches offense, Sadler coaches D, and Gates and (especially) Abdelmassih focus on recruiting.

 

Doc also said he expected to have nothing to do with recruiting.

[uneblinstu]

Oh, hey!

 

On 8/9/2019 at 11:45 AM, uneblinstu said:

Not sure where he fits in, but I strongly believe Samari Curtis is gonna play and play a lot. He'll be right in this mix.

 

[uneblinstu]

2 minutes ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

Doc also said he expected to have nothing to do with recruiting.

Or offense, presumably.

[49r]

1 hour ago, Husker4theSpurs said:

Doc himself said he is a good defensive coach and a mediocre offensive coach. Seems to me Hoiberg coaches offense, Sadler coaches D, and Gates and (especially) Abdelmassih focus on recruiting.

 

So that leaves Lutz.  What does he do?

[khoock]

26 minutes ago, 49r said:

 

So that leaves Lutz.  What does he do?

He helps Hoiberg on offense for sure. 

[HuskerActuary]

Hasn't there been concern about Samari Curtis's shot? Just how bad is it? I didn't catch any of the Italy streamed games.

[khoock]

Heres how I understand the coaches' responsibilities so far:

 

- Fred Hoiberg: Head Coach and Offense

- Bobby Lutz: Offensive Assistant

- Armon Gates: Player relations, in state recruiter, and works with PGs

- Doc Sadler: Defensive Coordinator 

- Matt A: Transfer recruiter and player relations

[hhcmatt]

16 hours ago, 49r said:

 

So that leaves Lutz.  What does he do?

 

He reportedly watches a lot of game tape and cuts that up for Hoiberg in addition to some of the DOBO stuff that needed to be done before Luca got here.

Is he involved with practice or any development training?

[Norm Peterson]

3 hours ago, HuskerActuary said:

Hasn't there been concern about Samari Curtis's shot? Just how bad is it? I didn't catch any of the Italy streamed games.

 

It's accurate but ugly. Very ugly. Coyote ugly. It looks like a chest pass. But it goes in at a pretty high clip and, if he has plenty of space, apparently he can get it off as well.

[Norm Peterson]

16 hours ago, 49r said:

 

So that leaves Lutz.  What does he do?

 

Well, since Matt A is an ace recruiter, you have to have him named as an assistant coach so he can get out on the road. But, since he's not really a hoops guy, you bring in a guy like Lutz to do the coaching that the recruiting assistant would be doing if he was more of a coach and less of a recruiter. It's weird but I think that's what the rules require. You can have a non-coach doing coaching, but you can't have a non-coach doing recruiting on the road.

[hhcmatt]

18 minutes ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

It's accurate but ugly. Very ugly. Coyote ugly. It looks like a chest pass. But it goes in at a pretty high clip and, if he has plenty of space, apparently he can get it off as well.

 

Please don't change that shot

 

Thanks,

The Nick Fuller Foundation for guys who had their shots broken in college

[TourneyBound]

He posted this about a year ago to the day...  lets hope he has a little better read on things with this one.

[atskooc]

7 hours ago, Norm Peterson said:

 

It's accurate but ugly. Very ugly. Coyote ugly. It looks like a chest pass. But it goes in at a pretty high clip and, if he has plenty of space, apparently he can get it off as well.

I haven’t seen him shoot, but dammit if I didn’t laugh at this description!