This season and what happened...

[Norm Peterson]

The performance in that game, right on the heels of a win over Michigan State, was a marker that something was off.   

Yeah, I mean, if you hadn't already noticed the markers from ...

• getting down by double digits in the first half at home against UNO
• losing at home to Creighton by 10
• losing at home to a team transitioning to D1 in Incarnate Word
• losing pathetically to a not very good Hawaii team
• laying an egg and getting owned inside at home against Indiana

 

Yeah, I mean, if you happened not to notice all those other markers, then the Michigan game was certainly a sign that, gosh, perhaps something was amiss with the team this season.  

[HuskerFever]

 

The performance in that game, right on the heels of a win over Michigan State, was a marker that something was off.   

Yeah, I mean, if you hadn't already noticed the markers from ...

• getting down by double digits in the first half at home against UNO
• losing at home to Creighton by 10
• losing at home to a team transitioning to D1 in Incarnate Word
• losing pathetically to a not very good Hawaii team
• laying an egg and getting owned inside at home against Indiana

 

Yeah, I mean, if you happened not to notice all those other markers, then the Michigan game was certainly a sign that, gosh, perhaps something was amiss with the team this season.  

 

 

And you didn't even mention the Loyola Marymount 35-point stomping we put on them in regulation.

[basketballjones]

We do not run a motion offense. We run a revolving pattern.

[Handy Johnson]

How many teams would storm the court if they beat us now, ala Rhode Island? Hastings College, maybe Hastings High? 

[Lifetimesker]

 

Exactly.  We run a Motion Offense but our players don't always execute it the way it's designed, and many are content not to move and start to just "watch" the action.  Based on the conversation I had with Mike this past weekend, the offense is designed to pick apart switching defenses when mismatches can occur.  They run the top of the key weave until a mismatch is identified and then taken advantage of.  Last year on no sit sunday, look at how many times Petteway had a layup on Kaminsky, because Walt was up top and Kaminsky ended up switching on Petteway.  Same with Shields.  This year, it hasn't been as successful because I think other teams are wiser and giving Petteway and Shields a lot more attention than last.  Some of our other players have to just shoot within the offense and not pump fake and then pass.  Against Iowa, mulitple times Shavon would drive, take one or two dribbles, pick up his dribble, then pass back outside, hence, nothin' doing. 

That's the problem but I would still argue that we don't run a motion offense and this is not what Miles sees as a motion either. I know Miles came in saying he ran motion but I don't think he has actually implemented that in any sort of large scale way. Where as a dribble hand off can be, running a continuous weave at the top is not part of any motion offense.

 

I tend to agree with this. I don't think a weave to nowhere 23 feet away from the basket is truly part of the motion offense IMHO. What exactly does this accomplish? Its easily defended and eats up the shot clock. I suppose if your trying to kill the clock with a substantial lead(have we had that situation this year?) , that's one thing, otherwise what's the purpose? The other 2 player are usually just standing around while all this is happening anyway.   

 

To me, motion offense is about getting something going to the basket via off a hard screen or back cut( not to be confused with the Princeton offense)

[Red Don]

 

Right now I'm just looking at this the same way a baseball fan would through the lens of metrics: we've regressed to the mean this year.

IMO, this is salient. I think Nebraska will look back on 4-5 games this year with significant regret -- Creighton, Incarnate Word, at Michigan are three -- but when I look at what this team projected to be, I see, oh, 15-12, 16-11 or 17-10 at this point. Right there on the bubble with 3 games to go. And some bad shooting, coupled with a curious lack of want-to at Michigan, has left it 13-14.  

 

Though I've chewed on the overall talent of the team, that Michigan game was an alarm bell. Michigan rolled a pretty crappy team out there that night that had little chemistry. No LaVert, no Walton, who'd just been hurt. Nebraska should have had plenty of motivation, too, since it hadn't beaten Michigan since entering the league, got humiliated up there last year, and arguably got robbed at home last year. 

 

The performance in that game, right on the heels of a win over Michigan State, was a marker that something was off.   

 

 

 

The performance in that game, right on the heels of a win over Michigan State, was a marker that something was off.   

Yeah, I mean, if you hadn't already noticed the markers from ...

• getting down by double digits in the first half at home against UNO
• losing at home to Creighton by 10
• losing at home to a team transitioning to D1 in Incarnate Word
• losing pathetically to a not very good Hawaii team
• laying an egg and getting owned inside at home against Indiana

 

Yeah, I mean, if you happened not to notice all those other markers, then the Michigan game was certainly a sign that, gosh, perhaps something was amiss with the team this season.  

 

 

Seems to me what Sam's saying is that Michigan was the First game where there was a noticeable lack of 'Want-To' (and now there's Iowa).  To be fair, he does mention Creighton and Incarnate Word.

 

Coming out 'flat' is no crime, if you have the 'fight' to come back.

 

To me, Incarnate Word shows the lack of a head-game; we just didn't play 'smart,' almost as if we had no BB IQ.

 

And don't forget, Hawai'i was on a Streak;  they went on to take Wichita State to a one-point game in OT.

[atskooc]

 

The performance in that game, right on the heels of a win over Michigan State, was a marker that something was off.   

Yeah, I mean, if you hadn't already noticed the markers from ...

• getting down by double digits in the first half at home against UNO
• losing at home to Creighton by 10
• losing at home to a team transitioning to D1 in Incarnate Word
• losing pathetically to a not very good Hawaii team
• laying an egg and getting owned inside at home against Indiana

 

Yeah, I mean, if you happened not to notice all those other markers, then the Michigan game was certainly a sign that, gosh, perhaps something was amiss with the team this season.  

 

Norm, I don't believe you saw the Incarnate Word loss as a marker of anything shortly after the game.  You basically said it wasn't a bad loss because we didn't play poorly.

 

When did you notice it was a marker?

[hskr4life]

How many teams would storm the court if they beat us now, ala Rhode Island? Hastings College, maybe Hastings High? 

 

Honestly... as good as things have gone this year... is this be considered a highlight for us??  

[Chuck Taylor]

 

The performance in that game, right on the heels of a win over Michigan State, was a marker that something was off.   

Yeah, I mean, if you hadn't already noticed the markers from ...

• getting down by double digits in the first half at home against UNO
• losing at home to Creighton by 10
• losing at home to a team transitioning to D1 in Incarnate Word
• losing pathetically to a not very good Hawaii team
• laying an egg and getting owned inside at home against Indiana

 

Yeah, I mean, if you happened not to notice all those other markers, then the Michigan game was certainly a sign that, gosh, perhaps something was amiss with the team this season.  

 

Yeah, the signs were all there. The Michigan game basically was just them bowing up in the face of adversity. We'd been shown the signs that we weren't a team that could overcome a locked-in team on the road, but we just overlooked them because we were still thinking we were something we weren't.

[HB]

 

The performance in that game, right on the heels of a win over Michigan State, was a marker that something was off.   

Yeah, I mean, if you hadn't already noticed the markers from ...

• getting down by double digits in the first half at home against UNO
• losing at home to Creighton by 10
• losing at home to a team transitioning to D1 in Incarnate Word
• losing pathetically to a not very good Hawaii team
• laying an egg and getting owned inside at home against Indiana

 

Yeah, I mean, if you happened not to notice all those other markers, then the Michigan game was certainly a sign that, gosh, perhaps something was amiss with the team this season.  

 

 

Hey Norm,

 

You missed being behind at halftime to Southwest Minnesota State.

[jason2486]

Pretty sure the motion offense was around before Brad Stevens was born...

Lol yes, just referring to this specific pattern we run sometimes.

[Dean Smith]

 

Pretty sure the motion offense was around before Brad Stevens was born...

Lol yes, just referring to this specific pattern we run sometimes.

 

The point I'm trying to make is there are NO specific patterns in a motion offense. It may be some sort of passing game but motion is reading and reacting to the defense. Different motions have more or fewer reads based on how "true" a motion it is, but no real motion offense has a specific pattern. 

[jimmykc]

Deep thought for the day: All objects in the universe are in a state of constant motion.

[Handy Johnson]

 To wit: energy is never created, it is simply transferred.