The Petteway Factor

[Handy Johnson]

Other than shoving a ref, shoving an opponent, and yelling at his coach, how do you think Terran played last night?

[Silverbacked1]

First half not so good, second half better. We go as he goes some.

[Handy Johnson]

He's the Bell Cow and needs to act like it. Some of the stunts he pulled last night are inexcusable. I was hoping Miles would park  his a** on the bench long enough to get his attention.

[jimmykc]

Approval point for being the first comparison ever made of Petteway to a Bell Cow.

[Lifetimesker]

He just gets too frustrated with himself, and I think it trickles down to the rest of the team. It's one thing to say you are staying positive as a team and another to actually show it. As always, actions speak louder than words!

[bball23]

This team would struggle SO much without TP.  I get that he wears his emotions on his sleeves.  I get that he can sometimes get too emotional.  I get that he sometimes needs to calm down.

 

I also get that this team would be a damn mess without TP.  TP will go down as one of my favorite Huskers of all time! And quite frankly I get so sick and tired of people bitching out TP!  Who the hell else is going to get shots late in the shot clock?  Who else is going to drop 19 PPG, bust his ASS night in and night out for his teammates?  Who else is going to guard the best player on the court a lot of times?  Who else put this team on his back last year and took us to the NCAA tourney? 

 

Sorry to vent, but I get so damn tired of people bitching about TP.  When TP is gone, I want all of you bashers to think damn hard about how much we miss that dude.

[ShortDust]

Bball hit it right on the head.. Benching tp isn't going to do anything. We don't make a run or even stay close in either game vs wisky. If Tp went pro last year imagine how many more ppl would be wishing he stayed. Yes he takes I'll advised shots at times, but he makes almost half of them and he is willing to shoot unlike a lot of other players on the team.

I also can't believe ppl are thinking Miles's seat may be getting warm already.

All in all we make 3 more shots in first half last night we win that game by 5 points.

[Lifetimesker]

This team would struggle SO much without TP.  I get that he wears his emotions on his sleeves.  I get that he can sometimes get too emotional.  I get that he sometimes needs to calm down.

 

I also get that this team would be a damn mess without TP.  TP will go down as one of my favorite Huskers of all time! And quite frankly I get so sick and tired of people bitching out TP!  Who the hell else is going to get shots late in the shot clock?  Who else is going to drop 19 PPG, bust his ASS night in and night out for his teammates?  Who else is going to guard the best player on the court a lot of times?  Who else put this team on his back last year and took us to the NCAA tourney? 

 

Sorry to vent, but I get so damn tired of people bitching about TP.  When TP is gone, I want all of you bashers to think damn hard about how much we miss that dude.

I am definitely not bashing him. I love the guy, and very happy he is a HUSKER. I just think he lets his emotions get the best of him sometimes, which in turn effects his decision making on the court. He has a lot of pressure on him game in and game out to perform on a otherwise challenged offensive team .....I'm sure its tough to handle sometimes!  

[Silverbacked1]

This team would struggle SO much without TP.  I get that he wears his emotions on his sleeves.  I get that he can sometimes get too emotional.  I get that he sometimes needs to calm down.

 

I also get that this team would be a damn mess without TP.  TP will go down as one of my favorite Huskers of all time! And quite frankly I get so sick and tired of people bitching out TP!  Who the hell else is going to get shots late in the shot clock?  Who else is going to drop 19 PPG, bust his ASS night in and night out for his teammates?  Who else is going to guard the best player on the court a lot of times?  Who else put this team on his back last year and took us to the NCAA tourney? 

 

Sorry to vent, but I get so damn tired of people bitching about TP.  When TP is gone, I want all of you bashers to think damn hard about how much we miss that dude.

Yes very good post bball.

[Silverbacked1]

I will say I did not see him push a ref last night, not the best of things to do.

[Wayne Pesek]

The replay clearly showed he intentionally made contact with the referee.  Yes, the replay also showed it was a bad call, but his response to it was unacceptable.  I'm amazed he was not ejected. The camera also caught at least two other examples of TP throwing a temper tantrum on the court which could have resulted in a technical foul for swatting the ball out of a UW player's hand and a flagrant foul for shoving a UW player near the sideline.  Both occurred during dead ball situations.  And I'm not even counting his enthusiastic response to his head coach during a timeout.  If TP played for an opposing team, there would be a thread 20 pages long on this board describing what a punk he is.  There are too many TV cameras for him to get away with what he does.  Almost like the "Bo-cam" during football games.  In fact, his "5 against 8" remark reminds me a lot of the "us against the world" attitude a certain football team recently used as motivation.  It didn't serve them well, especially in big games.  I no longer care how much he wants to win, how much he wants his teammates to succeed, how hard he worked all summer, and how "competitive" he is.  When faced with adversity, he plays with the emotional composure of Barney Fife, and that hurts his team!   Yes, he wears his emotions on his sleeve, and it's not a good look for him. Talented?  Yes.  Emotionally mature?  I'm not seeing it.

[busticket]

It looked to me like Petteway meant to push whoever was in front of him.  When he saw it was a ref he immediately stopped and backed off, but the shove had already begun.  The ref stared at him all the way until half court.  He was very lucky not to get t'd up, but the guy cut him some slack on that one.

[jason2486]

The replay clearly showed he intentionally made contact with the referee. Yes, the replay also showed it was a bad call, but his response to it was unacceptable. I'm amazed he was not ejected. The camera also caught at least two other examples of TP throwing a temper tantrum on the court which could have resulted in a technical foul for swatting the ball out of a UW player's hand and a flagrant foul for shoving a UW player near the sideline. Both occurred during dead ball situations. And I'm not even counting his enthusiastic response to his head coach during a timeout. If TP played for an opposing team, there would be a thread 20 pages long on this board describing what a punk he is. There are too many TV cameras for him to get away with what he does. Almost like the "Bo-cam" during football games. In fact, his "5 against 8" remark reminds me a lot of the "us against the world" attitude a certain football team recently used as motivation. It didn't serve them well, especially in big games. I no longer care how much he wants to win, how much he wants his teammates to succeed, how hard he worked all summer, and how "competitive" he is. When faced with adversity, he plays with the emotional composure of Barney Fife, and that hurts his team! Yes, he wears his emotions on his sleeve, and it's not a good look for him. Talented? Yes. Emotionally mature? I'm not seeing it.

Lots of great players show emotion similar to Petteway. Watch MJ, Kobe, or LeBron when a call doesn't go their way. Just imagine the pressure that TP is feeling this season. He has to know that Husker Basketball is relying on him big time. Could he channel his emotions better? Sure he could. But at that moment when that incident occurred, look at how many tI'm es he had already attacked without any fouls called on Wisky. And then the fact he was getting bumped and then had another player move into his path, yet he gets called for the foul.

And to say it's an "US against the world" mentality is rediculous. He was talking about the officials. I know this is a message board and we all vent from time to time, but speaking of the "US against the world" mentality that Bo got ripped on for, we need to be careful about bashing players and coaches. After all, the media and message boards is what probably gave our football team that sense of feeling about some of the fan base.

[Silverbacked1]

The replay clearly showed he intentionally made contact with the referee.  Yes, the replay also showed it was a bad call, but his response to it was unacceptable.  I'm amazed he was not ejected. The camera also caught at least two other examples of TP throwing a temper tantrum on the court which could have resulted in a technical foul for swatting the ball out of a UW player's hand and a flagrant foul for shoving a UW player near the sideline.  Both occurred during dead ball situations.  And I'm not even counting his enthusiastic response to his head coach during a timeout.  If TP played for an opposing team, there would be a thread 20 pages long on this board describing what a punk he is.  There are too many TV cameras for him to get away with what he does.  Almost like the "Bo-cam" during football games.  In fact, his "5 against 8" remark reminds me a lot of the "us against the world" attitude a certain football team recently used as motivation.  It didn't serve them well, especially in big games.  I no longer care how much he wants to win, how much he wants his teammates to succeed, how hard he worked all summer, and how "competitive" he is.  When faced with adversity, he plays with the emotional composure of Barney Fife, and that hurts his team!   Yes, he wears his emotions on his sleeve, and it's not a good look for him. Talented?  Yes.  Emotionally mature?  I'm not seeing it.

I didn't know I was sitting in front of you. Because you sound just like the guy who sits behind me. You just didn't use as many f bombs as the guy at the games though, so maybe it isn't you. But man it sounds just like him. According to him TERRAN is the reason we aren't winning and he can't wait until he leaves.

[Wayne Pesek]

I totally get that "our" fans want to stick up for "our" guys.  That's what fans do.  Fans have favorite players.  Sometimes they even make them their avatars.  Blind loyalty is great.  But, if you step back and watch Terran's behavior on the floor through objective colored glasses, you won't like what you see.  I'm not criticizing his shot selection (who else on this team would you rather have shooting the ball?) or any other part of his game.  But I will not endorse his extracurricular antics on the court.  They are a distraction and present a very unpleasant "face of the program."

[Dean Smith]

Life is not black and white but mostly shades of gray. It seems that everyone is trying to reduce everything down to the two extremes. I think bball 23 was correct when he said,

 

"I also get that this team would be a damn mess without TP.  TP will go down as one of my favorite Huskers of all time! And quite frankly I get so sick and tired of people bitching out TP!  Who the hell else is going to get shots late in the shot clock?  Who else is going to drop 19 PPG, bust his ASS night in and night out for his teammates?  Who else is going to guard the best player on the court a lot of times?  Who else put this team on his back last year and took us to the NCAA tourney?"

 

I also think Wayne Pesek was correct when he said,

"The replay clearly showed he intentionally made contact with the referee.  Yes, the replay also showed it was a bad call, but his response to it was unacceptable.  I'm amazed he was not ejected. The camera also caught at least two other examples of TP throwing a temper tantrum on the court which could have resulted in a technical foul for swatting the ball out of a UW player's hand and a flagrant foul for shoving a UW player near the sideline.  Both occurred during dead ball situations.  And I'm not even counting his enthusiastic response to his head coach during a timeout."

 

TP has given this team and this program so much and deserves to be given credit for his accomplishments and gratitude for all of his effort. And his behavior in the Wisconsin game was unacceptable. It is possible for both to be true.  I'm old school so I would have at some point sat him and not sent him back in the game but that's just me and certainly not the "only" correct answer (and maybe not even a "correct" answer) for everyone.  I also agree with Short Dust when he said, "We don't make a run or even stay close in either game vs wisky." But I disagree with his first statement of, "Benching tp isn't going to do anything." It wouldn't have helped that night but sometimes you sacrifice the game to try save the season. And worst case scenario I've seen coaches sacrifice the season to save the program. And beyond that some time you have to do what you feel is the right thing to do to save your integrity and the integrity of the program. I don't think Nebraska is anywhere near that point but fans will always be short-sighted looking for wins. Assistant coaches should as well also be focused on what do we need to do to win this game, right here, right now. It is up to the head coach to always see the big picture and do what is right for the program even if it isn't the best thing for right now. I don't go to practice and I don't get to sit on the bench so I really have no idea where TP and Miles are at right now. However when the TV announcers are talking about TP fighting his coach right now, that's not a good thing for the program in the prime time ESPN slot. 

 

Different people require different answers or are only capable of answering in certain ways. I know I had a weakness as a coach that I for a long time could only see situations from one perspective. It is from that perspective that I say I would have benched TP. I am also willing to admit that might have been the exact wrong thing to do to solve our problems long-term. I'm not sure what all is involved but things need fixed. And at this point in my life I'm pretty sure that there is probably more than just one "right" way to solve this problem but we need to get to solving. 

[colhusker]

Life is not black and white but mostly shades of gray. It seems that everyone is trying to reduce everything down to the two extremes. I think bball 23 was correct when he said,

 

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At least 50 shades of gray I hear.

[AuroranHusker]

Approval point for being the first comparison ever made of Petteway to a Bell Cow.

 

I've actually heard many announcers and/or sports talk show hosts call Terran Nebraska's bell cow quite often. But, on here, not so much.

 

I'd say his 1st half play vs Wisky was more Boss Hogg than Bell Cow.  2nd half more Bell Cow-ish 

[bkamler]

I love TP's effort and his skills but his immaturity, crazy passes and pouting faces really irritate me at times. I admitted to my wife at the game last night that if he played for another team that I would call him a punk and dislike the hell out if him. But he's a Husker so I love him.

[AuroranHusker]

I love TP's effort and his skills but his immaturity, crazy passes and pouting faces really irritate me at times. I admitted to my wife at the game last night that if he played for another team that I would call him a punk and dislike the hell out if him. But he's a Husker so I love him.

 

Isn't that the truth with some players, not necessarily TP5 but more of the scrappy kids like Peltz-y... there have been many, many opponents that you'd probably love to have on your team, but since they're on the opposing team you tend to dislike them immensely! I can think of a lot of guys from Mizzou or ISU in the Big 8 days, especially.

[Chuck Taylor]

I love TP's effort and his skills but his immaturity, crazy passes and pouting faces really irritate me at times. I admitted to my wife at the game last night that if he played for another team that I would call him a punk and dislike the hell out if him. But he's a Husker so I love him.

That's it in a nutshell. He is who he is. As long as he wears red, he deserves cheers because we'd be much worse off without him.

[Huskerpapa]

Kind of funny...I spend time in a number of Big Ten cities or major cities near the colleges.  We talk quite a bit of basketball.  I have yet to meet any individual who has an issue with TP...outside of our own fans.  Maybe I am visiting with the wrong people, but those that I visit with have utmost respect for TP and the way he plays. 

 

Would I like to see  the body language change...sure.  But he is who he is.  His passion is evident. 

[jimmykc]

Yes, TP is not the type of player or person who opponents "love to hate" like the jerk who used to play for Mississippi, or (much closer to home) the player whose name, as I recall, started with Gibbs. If I had no vested interest in Nebraska, TP would be the type of "colorful" player I would enjoy watching and not change to another channel -unless it happened to be the first half of the last two games.

[Handy Johnson]

Listen, I love TP. That's why I hate to see him act like a punk. He's BETTER than that. I wasn't trying to pile on, I just laid out the facts. Like Randy Moss said, " The truth hurts, that's why some people can't handle the truth".

[49r]

Handy, go listen to the Harriman segment that dimes posted up in the Molinari thread if you haven't already.  He spends a fair amount of time addressing the TP stuff and it sounds like he's going through a lot of stuff in his personal life that we probably don't know most of the story on.

 

Doesn't excuse the behavior really, but perhaps helps explain it some.