OT: Doc Sadler introduced as head coach at Southern Miss

[Norm Peterson]

Oh c'mon, Dimes, let me have some fun. 

[49r]

Okay, this thread is screaming towards lockdown territory, so I'm going to give Doc my congratulations one more time and wish him all the best at his new job.

[hhcmatt]

 

because that was not a very good coach in any way, shape, or form that walked out of the athletic department

 

Why would Bill Self and Fred Hoiberg, two guys who could hire pretty much anyone, hire a guy who cannot coach nor recruit?

 

It's part of why Tim Miles is dynamic and worth the money. Take away that enthusiasm, investment, and drive to get good players here and you end up with... post extension Doc. A guy no longer worth that money. 

 

Doc didn't have the commitment nor the resources Miles has.

He also didn't seem to have the vision or ability that MIles has in term of building a program so you could probably make the argument either way on what he would have done with those resources.

 

 

an enabling mindset that leads to NU getting less for its spending in the major sports than just about any school out there. 

 

We have one of the most successful and clean run athletic departments in the NCAA.

It's one of the few that pays for itself.

If you don't like how it's run, I'd suggest you not spend any money there.

[Red Dane]

Sorry, but no top 20 finishes or conference titles in the major 3 mens sports in several years is not one of the most successful athletic programs by any definition. If you believe it is, then I frankly have problems taking what you say seriously. I applaud your blind and simple enthusiasm, though.

Self threw his friend a bone in a low profile and modest administrative job just like Solich was able to fetch coffee for Bob Stoops. Sadler was able to do it because of his golden parachute. He had no intention of taking - or looking at - any coaching position that would have required responsibility and diminished his NU checks until they dried up.

[Red Dane]

I do apologize if people feel this needs to be closed. My intent is just discuss a difference of opinion I have with many fellow Husker basketball fans. My friends are tired of hearing it.

[jimmykc]

I think we've all had our say here so I won't try to change anyone's mind about our last coach. He did a very thoughtful thing for me personally when I was at an extremely low point in my life, so I am obviously biased in his favor. Others will continue to perceive him as they will. Red Dane: I wish you well. Please refrain from smoking in bed since I don't think firefighters in Omaha or anywhere else consider themselves compensated like Doc.

[hhcmatt]

Okay, this thread is screaming towards lockdown territory

 

Why? Seems like fairly respectful disagreement in what has typically been a hot button topic.

[HuskerFever]

I will forgive my own employees, others, and myself many (most) deficiencies, but lack of effort is one I just personally have an issue with.

 

I do apologize if people feel this needs to be closed.

 

Red Dane, I've gotta say... your lack of effort of being a troll is very apparent and rather disappointing. I mean... what kind of troll provides strong opinions backed up with somewhat put together statements? I hope the internets don't pay you well.

[Cazzie22]

I can never forgive Bill "it's only one game, one season" Callahan.  I wish Doc well at Southern Miss.  Working with Bill Self and Fred Hoiberg had to help him.

[Huskerpapa]

http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/article/20140504/SOUTHERNMISS/305040036

 

“Being the lucky guy that I am, (being fired at Nebraska) is probably the best thing that ever happened,” he said. “I’ve learned more basketball in the last two years than in the previous 20. It’s unfortunate for my two boys that their dad is going to use up all their luck.

[huskerbaseball13]

http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/article/20140504/SOUTHERNMISS/305040036

 

“Being the lucky guy that I am, (being fired at Nebraska) is probably the best thing that ever happened,” he said. “I’ve learned more basketball in the last two years than in the previous 20. It’s unfortunate for my two boys that their dad is going to use up all their luck.

 

I think most Husker fans would agree with this. 

[Norm Peterson]

 

http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/article/20140504/SOUTHERNMISS/305040036

 

“Being the lucky guy that I am, (being fired at Nebraska) is probably the best thing that ever happened,” he said. “I’ve learned more basketball in the last two years than in the previous 20. It’s unfortunate for my two boys that their dad is going to use up all their luck.

 

I think most Husker fans would agree with this. 

 

You're so magnanimous.

[huskerbaseball13]

 

 

http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/article/20140504/SOUTHERNMISS/305040036

 

“Being the lucky guy that I am, (being fired at Nebraska) is probably the best thing that ever happened,” he said. “I’ve learned more basketball in the last two years than in the previous 20. It’s unfortunate for my two boys that their dad is going to use up all their luck.

 

I think most Husker fans would agree with this. 

 

You're so magnanimous.

 

 

I hope Doc does well at Southern Miss.  He's not a bad guy....but I am glad he no longer oversees the Husker program. 

[HuskerFever]

Alright... I think it's about time to end this thread and wait for someone to bring it up again in 2 months.

[Bugeaters1]

Will it take two months ?

[trickey]

Alright... I think it's about time to end this thread and wait for someone to bring it up again in 2 months.

 

 

Will it take two months ?

 

I had a scare there for a moment...as I thought I was reading about BJ Day!

[SOB]

I'm sorry that a few of you are insulted, but the complete lack of recruiting success here his final two seasons was embarrassing. The diminished level of effort and positive energy on and off the court from when he started to when he finished was extremely noticeable. For as much as he was making, I have no sympathy for the "getting beat down" excuse that many seem eager to hand him. I don't know -  If it was all Mountain Dew driven, then he should have kept chugging the stuff because that was not a very good coach in any way, shape, or form that walked out of the athletic department with a handsome treasure chest in tow. At least when he started, he inspired some gritty play to overcome his other deficiencies. When he gave up on that, there was nothing left at all and his extension rates as one of NU's worst decisions in a decade filled with some doozies.

 

People ridicule Bill Callahan and I can see legitimate reasons for it, but you can never say that he wasn't trying with all he had. I respect the man for that and have wished him well ever since. I just do not have the same respect for Doc. When you pass a certain level of income, I think the expectations for commitment, effort, and devotion to the job raise to an extreme level. He seems quite personable, but I think he dropped the ball on those expectations when things did not break his way and would be surprised if he did not do so again. I think he would do well to continue as an assistant or operations person where the expectations are not so high.

 

Well, Southern Miss can at least save on their basketball budget as some of us can recall the ever successful Doc philosophy of having multiple practices without them.

 

That might just be the worst post in the history of this board.  Callahan had disdain for Nebraska and Nebraskans, and you praise him. He refused to even wear anything with Husker colors his last 2 months.  He made more than Doc, and at the end just wanted to show off his offense no matter how bad we got beat.  His own ego ruled as he swirled down the drain.  Doc was completely opposite--competed like crazy and kept trying to the bitter end.  I agreed with Dr. Tom's decision to make a change at that point, but it wasn't about lack of effort.  You must not have been at any of the practices I went to.  Doc  never quit, and it's a pathetic cheap shot to suggest he did.

BC and his disdain, really? Bo looked a lot better with BC recruits than he does with his own. Bo tells the whole state to eff off, gets countless penalties called on himself, embarrasses NU with his actions and folks continue to support him. BC called TO a crusty old f$&k and it's not far from truth but since he was later fired by TO its easy to pile on. BC designed players and coaches facilities second to none and if he was not loyal to a fault to his DC he may still be the NU coach. Effort was not his problem, he was just not a good HC, not his fault he was all NU could find to take the job. Red is spot on about Doc, he quit, period. Don't care if he cried at the end, don't care if he had a bad stretch of luck with recruits or injuries. He coached and developed players like someone who never played the game at a high level, oh wait.... Never mind.

[CrazyforNUHOOPS]

I'm sorry that a few of you are insulted, but the complete lack of recruiting success here his final two seasons was embarrassing. The diminished level of effort and positive energy on and off the court from when he started to when he finished was extremely noticeable. For as much as he was making, I have no sympathy for the "getting beat down" excuse that many seem eager to hand him. I don't know - If it was all Mountain Dew driven, then he should have kept chugging the stuff because that was not a very good coach in any way, shape, or form that walked out of the athletic department with a handsome treasure chest in tow. At least when he started, he inspired some gritty play to overcome his other deficiencies. When he gave up on that, there was nothing left at all and his extension rates as one of NU's worst decisions in a decade filled with some doozies.

People ridicule Bill Callahan and I can see legitimate reasons for it, but you can never say that he wasn't trying with all he had. I respect the man for that and have wished him well ever since. I just do not have the same respect for Doc. When you pass a certain level of income, I think the expectations for commitment, effort, and devotion to the job raise to an extreme level. He seems quite personable, but I think he dropped the ball on those expectations when things did not break his way and would be surprised if he did not do so again. I think he would do well to continue as an assistant or operations person where the expectations are not so high.

Well, Southern Miss can at least save on their basketball budget as some of us can recall the ever successful Doc philosophy of having multiple practices without them.

That might just be the worst post in the history of this board. Callahan had disdain for Nebraska and Nebraskans, and you praise him. He refused to even wear anything with Husker colors his last 2 months. He made more than Doc, and at the end just wanted to show off his offense no matter how bad we got beat. His own ego ruled as he swirled down the drain. Doc was completely opposite--competed like crazy and kept trying to the bitter end. I agreed with Dr. Tom's decision to make a change at that point, but it wasn't about lack of effort. You must not have been at any of the practices I went to. Doc never quit, and it's a pathetic cheap shot to suggest he did.

BC and his disdain, really? Bo looked a lot better with BC recruits than he does with his own. Bo tells the whole state to eff off, gets countless penalties called on himself, embarrasses NU with his actions and folks continue to support him. BC called TO a crusty old f$&k and it's not far from truth but since he was later fired by TO its easy to pile on. BC designed players and coaches facilities second to none and if he was not loyal to a fault to his DC he may still be the NU coach. Effort was not his problem, he was just not a good HC, not his fault he was all NU could find to take the job. Red is spot on about Doc, he quit, period. Don't care if he cried at the end, don't care if he had a bad stretch of luck with recruits or injuries. He coached and developed players like someone who never played the game at a high level, oh wait.... Never mind.

Bill, is that you?

[huskerbaseball13]

 

 

I'm sorry that a few of you are insulted, but the complete lack of recruiting success here his final two seasons was embarrassing. The diminished level of effort and positive energy on and off the court from when he started to when he finished was extremely noticeable. For as much as he was making, I have no sympathy for the "getting beat down" excuse that many seem eager to hand him. I don't know -  If it was all Mountain Dew driven, then he should have kept chugging the stuff because that was not a very good coach in any way, shape, or form that walked out of the athletic department with a handsome treasure chest in tow. At least when he started, he inspired some gritty play to overcome his other deficiencies. When he gave up on that, there was nothing left at all and his extension rates as one of NU's worst decisions in a decade filled with some doozies.

 

People ridicule Bill Callahan and I can see legitimate reasons for it, but you can never say that he wasn't trying with all he had. I respect the man for that and have wished him well ever since. I just do not have the same respect for Doc. When you pass a certain level of income, I think the expectations for commitment, effort, and devotion to the job raise to an extreme level. He seems quite personable, but I think he dropped the ball on those expectations when things did not break his way and would be surprised if he did not do so again. I think he would do well to continue as an assistant or operations person where the expectations are not so high.

 

Well, Southern Miss can at least save on their basketball budget as some of us can recall the ever successful Doc philosophy of having multiple practices without them.

 

That might just be the worst post in the history of this board.  Callahan had disdain for Nebraska and Nebraskans, and you praise him. He refused to even wear anything with Husker colors his last 2 months.  He made more than Doc, and at the end just wanted to show off his offense no matter how bad we got beat.  His own ego ruled as he swirled down the drain.  Doc was completely opposite--competed like crazy and kept trying to the bitter end.  I agreed with Dr. Tom's decision to make a change at that point, but it wasn't about lack of effort.  You must not have been at any of the practices I went to.  Doc  never quit, and it's a pathetic cheap shot to suggest he did.

BC and his disdain, really? Bo looked a lot better with BC recruits than he does with his own. Bo tells the whole state to eff off, gets countless penalties called on himself, embarrasses NU with his actions and folks continue to support him. BC called TO a crusty old f$&k and it's not far from truth but since he was later fired by TO its easy to pile on. BC designed players and coaches facilities second to none and if he was not loyal to a fault to his DC he may still be the NU coach. Effort was not his problem, he was just not a good HC, not his fault he was all NU could find to take the job. Red is spot on about Doc, he quit, period. Don't care if he cried at the end, don't care if he had a bad stretch of luck with recruits or injuries. He coached and developed players like someone who never played the game at a high level, oh wait.... Never mind.

 

 

Was this attended to be a shot at Miles Krayton fan?

[Norm Peterson]

 

BC and his disdain, really? Bo looked a lot better with BC recruits than he does with his own. Bo tells the whole state to eff off, gets countless penalties called on himself, embarrasses NU with his actions and folks continue to support him. BC called TO a crusty old f$&k and it's not far from truth but since he was later fired by TO its easy to pile on. BC designed players and coaches facilities second to none and if he was not loyal to a fault to his DC he may still be the NU coach. Effort was not his problem, he was just not a good HC, not his fault he was all NU could find to take the job. Red is spot on about Doc, he quit, period. Don't care if he cried at the end, don't care if he had a bad stretch of luck with recruits or injuries. He coached and developed players like someone who never played the game at a high level, oh wait.... Never mind.

 

Firstly, the worst that could be said about Doc was exactly what you've said in defense of Bill Callahan.  Anyone who knows what was going on inside that program knows that you cannot fault Doc's effort.

 

Secondly, SOB, are you really trying to suggest that you have to have played the game at a high level in order to be a competent coach at a high level?

 

How quickly do you want to retract that comment?

[SOB]

 

 

 

I'm sorry that a few of you are insulted, but the complete lack of recruiting success here his final two seasons was embarrassing. The diminished level of effort and positive energy on and off the court from when he started to when he finished was extremely noticeable. For as much as he was making, I have no sympathy for the "getting beat down" excuse that many seem eager to hand him. I don't know -  If it was all Mountain Dew driven, then he should have kept chugging the stuff because that was not a very good coach in any way, shape, or form that walked out of the athletic department with a handsome treasure chest in tow. At least when he started, he inspired some gritty play to overcome his other deficiencies. When he gave up on that, there was nothing left at all and his extension rates as one of NU's worst decisions in a decade filled with some doozies.

 

People ridicule Bill Callahan and I can see legitimate reasons for it, but you can never say that he wasn't trying with all he had. I respect the man for that and have wished him well ever since. I just do not have the same respect for Doc. When you pass a certain level of income, I think the expectations for commitment, effort, and devotion to the job raise to an extreme level. He seems quite personable, but I think he dropped the ball on those expectations when things did not break his way and would be surprised if he did not do so again. I think he would do well to continue as an assistant or operations person where the expectations are not so high.

 

Well, Southern Miss can at least save on their basketball budget as some of us can recall the ever successful Doc philosophy of having multiple practices without them.

 

That might just be the worst post in the history of this board.  Callahan had disdain for Nebraska and Nebraskans, and you praise him. He refused to even wear anything with Husker colors his last 2 months.  He made more than Doc, and at the end just wanted to show off his offense no matter how bad we got beat.  His own ego ruled as he swirled down the drain.  Doc was completely opposite--competed like crazy and kept trying to the bitter end.  I agreed with Dr. Tom's decision to make a change at that point, but it wasn't about lack of effort.  You must not have been at any of the practices I went to.  Doc  never quit, and it's a pathetic cheap shot to suggest he did.

BC and his disdain, really? Bo looked a lot better with BC recruits than he does with his own. Bo tells the whole state to eff off, gets countless penalties called on himself, embarrasses NU with his actions and folks continue to support him. BC called TO a crusty old f$&k and it's not far from truth but since he was later fired by TO its easy to pile on. BC designed players and coaches facilities second to none and if he was not loyal to a fault to his DC he may still be the NU coach. Effort was not his problem, he was just not a good HC, not his fault he was all NU could find to take the job. Red is spot on about Doc, he quit, period. Don't care if he cried at the end, don't care if he had a bad stretch of luck with recruits or injuries. He coached and developed players like someone who never played the game at a high level, oh wait.... Never mind.

 

 

Was this attended to be a shot at Miles Krayton fan?

 

intended to be a shot???? no, not at all. If I recall, Miles did play the game. Doc was a team manager. Miles represents NU well IMO if not the state, much like his counterpart at Creighton. Even Creighton fans like him for the most part (not necessarily those on message boards mind you but the average fan in the stands). Miles gets it, he knows the better both programs are the better it is for them individually.

[SOB]

 

 

BC and his disdain, really? Bo looked a lot better with BC recruits than he does with his own. Bo tells the whole state to eff off, gets countless penalties called on himself, embarrasses NU with his actions and folks continue to support him. BC called TO a crusty old f$&k and it's not far from truth but since he was later fired by TO its easy to pile on. BC designed players and coaches facilities second to none and if he was not loyal to a fault to his DC he may still be the NU coach. Effort was not his problem, he was just not a good HC, not his fault he was all NU could find to take the job. Red is spot on about Doc, he quit, period. Don't care if he cried at the end, don't care if he had a bad stretch of luck with recruits or injuries. He coached and developed players like someone who never played the game at a high level, oh wait.... Never mind.

 

Firstly, the worst that could be said about Doc was exactly what you've said in defense of Bill Callahan.  Anyone who knows what was going on inside that program knows that you cannot fault Doc's effort.

 

Secondly, SOB, are you really trying to suggest that you have to have played the game at a high level in order to be a competent coach at a high level?

 

How quickly do you want to retract that comment?

 

Firstly I disagree.

Secondly a high percentage of good coaches have at least played the game beyond high school. look it up if you like. are there exceptions? sure, but as a rule of thumb what I said is true.

[bobcat402]

 

 

 

BC and his disdain, really? Bo looked a lot better with BC recruits than he does with his own. Bo tells the whole state to eff off, gets countless penalties called on himself, embarrasses NU with his actions and folks continue to support him. BC called TO a crusty old f$&k and it's not far from truth but since he was later fired by TO its easy to pile on. BC designed players and coaches facilities second to none and if he was not loyal to a fault to his DC he may still be the NU coach. Effort was not his problem, he was just not a good HC, not his fault he was all NU could find to take the job. Red is spot on about Doc, he quit, period. Don't care if he cried at the end, don't care if he had a bad stretch of luck with recruits or injuries. He coached and developed players like someone who never played the game at a high level, oh wait.... Never mind.

 

Firstly, the worst that could be said about Doc was exactly what you've said in defense of Bill Callahan.  Anyone who knows what was going on inside that program knows that you cannot fault Doc's effort.

 

Secondly, SOB, are you really trying to suggest that you have to have played the game at a high level in order to be a competent coach at a high level?

 

How quickly do you want to retract that comment?

 

Firstly I disagree.

Secondly a high percentage of good coaches have at least played the game beyond high school. look it up if you like. are there exceptions? sure, but as a rule of thumb what I said is true.

 

here is your list...some of the preeminent coaches in the game today. (creen is a good coach, and so is martin)     http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8011917/some-top-coaches-prove-play-high-level-coach-one-men-college-basketball

[Silverbacked1]

"One of the most overrated thoughts out there is that if you weren't a great player, you can't be a great coach," said Martin, who now coaches at South Carolina. "It's a big fallacy."

[SOB]

never said they had to be great players..... just said most have played the game. here is an example http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24490175/ranking-the-ncaa-tournament-coaches-by-playing-career-1-68

 

all of this does not take away from Doc quitting and being a poor coach but divert from that as you wish.