Will Hawkins Redshirt?

[Handy Johnson]

Nothing but speculation on my part, but he seems to be the most likely candidate. Perhaps nagging injuries could alter the "big picture" plan, but I don't see him getting enough minutes to keep him in the rotation.

[uneblinstu]

I think it's way too early to know.

[Huskerpapa]

Honestly, of all the freshmen at the scrimmage, I thought Hawkins looked the best.  I will not be surprised if he redshirts, but I thought he certainly had/has game.

[bigred4]

He can shoot and we are short on shooters, but I think it is going to be tough to get a lot of minutes at the guard/wing spot for him, but it will be an interesting decision for Tim and Nate. 

[a0t0w0]

Wasn't at the scrimmage, but I heard a lot of positive news about Hawkins.  His game film from high school was impressive.  I have a gut feeling he'll play an important role this year.  I don't see him redshirting, but if he doesn't, I don't know who else would.

[FredsSlacks]

I'm guessing Miles doesn't want anyone to redshirt this year, but would allow it if somebody wanted to.

[Silverbacked1]

Just my opinion but I think the day of red shirting are kind of over.

It seems everybody thinks that they can come in and play right and don't want to wait a year.

It also allows them to use that red shirt if they transfer, which seems to be what a bunch of players are doing.

You can also use the red shirt if you have some type of surgery in the off season.

I do think that football will still use red shirting more for guys to grow. Not just some of other sports as much.

[Hooper]

Nothing but speculation on my part, but he seems to be the most likely candidate. Perhaps nagging injuries could alter the "big picture" plan, but I don't see him getting enough minutes to keep him in the rotation.

 

To me, it makes no sense to redshirt Hawkins and play Benny Parker. Hawkins brings much more to the table from day one. As long as he shows the ability to play defense the way Miles wants it played, I don't see much chance that he'll redshirt this year. 

[TheKamdyMan]

Even if he can give Ray 5-8 minutes off a game its worth it.  It gives him some experience for next year and gives Ray a break he really needs each game.  Even if he ends up being a star player you hope in 4 years NU is able to get star players to replace him on a regular basis.

[Dicemanhusker]

Just my opinion but I think the day of red shirting are kind of over.

It seems everybody thinks that they can come in and play right and don't want to wait a year.

It also allows them to use that red shirt if they transfer, which seems to be what a bunch of players are doing.

You can also use the red shirt if you have some type of surgery in the off season.

I do think that football will still use red shirting more for guys to grow. Not just some of other sports as much.

Agreed. Redshirting in basketball is not a good sign IMO. Not with top knotch teams, which is what we want to be. They either fill a role immediately or perhaps you shouldn't have recruited them. Just my opinion, but I feel pretty strongly about it.

[Dicemanhusker]

Even if he can give Ray 5-8 minutes off a game its worth it. It gives him some experience for next year and gives Ray a break he really needs each game. Even if he ends up being a star player you hope in 4 years NU is able to get star players to replace him on a regular basis.

Yes

[bball23]

Somebody asked BR on twitter about this and he said "possibly"

[basketballjones]

Figuring out who's gonna play this year is gonna be crazy for Miles and co. It's a good problem...

[Creighton Fan]

Just my opinion but I think the day of red shirting are kind of over.

It seems everybody thinks that they can come in and play right and don't want to wait a year.

It also allows them to use that red shirt if they transfer, which seems to be what a bunch of players are doing.

You can also use the red shirt if you have some type of surgery in the off season.

I do think that football will still use red shirting more for guys to grow. Not just some of other sports as much.

 

I don't think this is the case entirely.

 

A team gets 13 scholarships and, barring injuries, it is all but impossible to get all 13 guys playing time.  On top of that, there will always be guys that need to add muscle/strength (especially big guys).  I know that McDermott has said that he plans on doing it going forward and I would suspect that Miles will do so as well. 

 

I think redshirting allows a team to take on one "project" every couple of years.  Usually that will be a big man that is too skinny coming out of high school, but with the proper weight training and nutrition program, on top of ongoing skill development, you expect to be a solid performer and contributor in his junior and senior year.  Because of the outright shortage of big men, I have no problem with this philosophy.  It doesn't do anybody any good to bring in a guy and only play him a couple of minutes for the entire year.  Now, if when you are recruiting your project, he tells you he has zero interest in redshirting, than I think you stop recruiting him all together.

 

Creighton has a freshman center this year that Miles went after pretty hard as well (Hanson).  During the recruiting process for all schools he was asked if he would consider redshirting and the response of both his family and him was that while he would rather not redshirt (who does?) he would do whatever the coaches thought was best.  I think there will always be kids, and maybe more importantly parents, that will always understand that and are willing to redshirt. 

[Creighton Fan]

 

Just my opinion but I think the day of red shirting are kind of over.

It seems everybody thinks that they can come in and play right and don't want to wait a year.

It also allows them to use that red shirt if they transfer, which seems to be what a bunch of players are doing.

You can also use the red shirt if you have some type of surgery in the off season.

I do think that football will still use red shirting more for guys to grow. Not just some of other sports as much.

Agreed. Redshirting in basketball is not a good sign IMO. Not with top knotch teams, which is what we want to be. They either fill a role immediately or perhaps you shouldn't have recruited them. Just my opinion, but I feel pretty strongly about it.

 

The difference is that the blue chip programs can bring in five stars every year and don't have to relay as much on player development.

 

Unless you are a program that brings in five stars or high four star kids, you need to be able to redshirt to develop kids. 

[hhcmatt]

I doubt he or anyone redshirts.

[throwback]

Coach Miles doesn't appear to be a big fan of redshirting - Vooch was a perfect redshirt candidate last year and NU chose to play him in nothing but garbage time. Seemed like it was Biggs' idea to redshirt, not sure it was Coach Miles' idea initially. 

 

I'd be pretty surprised if Hawkins or any of the newcomers redshirt, barring injury or barring the player making a request to redshirt. 

 

Probably been discussed here in the past, but does anyone know what Coach Miles did at CSU with regards to redshirts? Did he have many who just used it as a year of development? Or were redshirts primarily limited to guys who were injured?

[hhcmatt]

Coach Miles doesn't appear to be a big fan of redshirting - Vooch was a perfect redshirt candidate last year and NU chose to play him in nothing but garbage time. Seemed like it was Biggs' idea to redshirt, not sure it was Coach Miles' idea initially. 

 

Miles is on record wanting to redshirt Vooch and not redshirting Biggs.

In both cases he ultimately went with what the individual player wanted to do.

[Creighton Fan]

Coach Miles doesn't appear to be a big fan of redshirting - Vooch was a perfect redshirt candidate last year and NU chose to play him in nothing but garbage time. Seemed like it was Biggs' idea to redshirt, not sure it was Coach Miles' idea initially. 

 

I think last year was a bit of an aberration.  Because of the number of guys sitting out due to mandatory redshirt transfer rules, combined with injury prone guys like Almeida, I think that Miles had to play everybody else just to have enough guys to field a squad.  As it was, walk-ons still still got a ton of playing time. 

 

Even despite the shortage of big guys, Miles still wanted to redshirt Vooch. 

[throwback]

 

Coach Miles doesn't appear to be a big fan of redshirting - Vooch was a perfect redshirt candidate last year and NU chose to play him in nothing but garbage time. Seemed like it was Biggs' idea to redshirt, not sure it was Coach Miles' idea initially. 

 

Miles is on record wanting to redshirt Vooch and not redshirting Biggs.

In both cases he ultimately went with what the individual player wanted to do.

 

Interesting - I didn't know that about Vooch, thanks

[Cookie Belcher]

Redshirting someone just means one of your (presumably) weaker recruits takes up a scholarship for 5 years instead of 4. Doesn't make sense in basketball IMO.

[Norm Peterson]

Redshirting someone just means one of your (presumably) weaker recruits takes up a scholarship for 5 years instead of 4. Doesn't make sense in basketball IMO.

I think it's different if you're talking about:

 

1) a team that can attract top-shelf recruits year in and year out; or

2) a team that hopes its seniors are better than the other guy's freshmen

 

and also different if you're talking about:

 

1) a kid who is raw and athletic with the potential to really develop over time; or

2) a kid whose inability to contribute as a freshman is a reflection of him not being as good as you thought/hoped.

 

 

A team that relies on developing players and having experienced seniors playing major roles could potentially get a lot out of the 5th season of a kid who comes in raw and athletic but with tremendous upside.  Think what kind of player Mikki Moore would have been as a 5th year senior.

 

If you're Kentucky, though, it makes no sense to have a guy take up a spot for 5 seasons.  You've paid good money in the SEC for recruits to come in and produce right now.  If they can't hold up their end of the deal, let them transfer to Iowa State so you can make room for the next set of 5-star mercenaries recruits. 

[Hooper]

Nebraska is a team that will have to redshirt guys from time to time based on each player's individual circumstances. I still say the only player who redshirts this year is Tim Wagner though.

 

For those who feel there's a good chance Hawkins will redshirt, I'd like to know why you feel that way. I see a player who can help us immediately on offense. IMO he was already a better player as a HS senior than Benny Parker was as a college freshman. I see a guy who can shoot, pass, play the point, and help the team from day one as a backup at both guard spots.

[uneblinstu]

Nebraska is a team that will have to redshirt guys from time to time based on each player's individual circumstances. I still say the only player who redshirts this year is Tim Wagner though.

 

Ummm...you heard about his injury, right?

[Hooper]

 

Nebraska is a team that will have to redshirt guys from time to time based on each player's individual circumstances. I still say the only player who redshirts this year is Tim Wagner though.

 

Ummm...you heard about his injury, right?

 

 

Do you suppose that may have been why I said he'd redshirt?