uneblinstu's post game chatter vol 8, no 29: The Shining

[Ron Mexico]

 

 

Find a big man and things change dramatically next year.   Not to trash him on senior night...but we are instantly better the minute Parker's eligibiity expires. 

 

Shields is an all timer but I do think he's replaceable.   For as good as he's been the last two games, he's had some poor games in conference as well.   Another year of experience for Watson and the others and Gill and Roby coming in can offset Shields IMO.

 

In a perfect situation for me...Fuller and Hammond move on... we get a 5th year or JUCO transfer big, Jordy T and a shooter for next year.

Just any old big man right? It doesn't matter if they can play right? You make it sound like it's an easy position to recruit. 6'11"+ quality guys just go on trees and we just need to pick one...right. Lets not go back in time where we waste scholarships on guys who make Hammond look like an AA. 

 

I don't want to see anyone transfer. Both of those guys, Hammond and Fuller, are at the very least serviceable, if not in games then in practice, who can give you good minutes and spark off the bench. They are also going to be upperclassman which provides our team with some stability and leadership. We need an off season of stability...for once. 

 

If anybody where to leave it should be Molinari since he coaches our big men, but even then I like to see us have some stability in our coaching. We have got to stop this revolving door of coaches and players and just stick with who we've got for better or worse. Miles took over a program that was an absolutely disaster. It is going to take much more than 4 years to get us to a spot where we have some stability and move us out of the bottom of the conference. 

 

With all that said Miles has to find a way with a smaller lineup to play against teams like Purdue. When you front a big men like Hammons or Haas you better make sure that that the guy who is passing the ball in to him has someone in his face. Several times our center rotated to help on defense against a penetrating guard when it wasn't necessary leaving the Purdue big man wide open for the dunk. A player like Hammons should always have a defender stuck to his hip. We also failed on rotating our defense leaving wide open 3pt shots. Early in the game all the wrong people where taking shots. Shields and AWIII were MIA and we looked like a team without any answers. Miles called TO a couple of times during that early Purdue run and it didn't help. Give credit to Purdue because they looked very polished.

 

We have at least 2 more games left to play this season and in the NCAA isn't over until its over. This team is very capable of putting together a run. Until this game against Purdue we had played everybody in our conference tough, even in our losses.

 

I grow tired of our entitled whinny fan base and our local hack media. We are becoming our own worst enemy.  

 

Lost me at Hammond and Fuller are serviceable.  Because outside of the random game each...neither has shown that and they aren't exactly playing behind a ton of McDonald's All Americans.  Neither could find a lot of time on a team that was very thin and very inexperienced and very inconsistent in the front court.   That doesn't scream serviceable.  

They have both had more than just a random game. Each of them has had moments in games this year. That is the very definition of serviceable. Serviceable means role player and that is exactly the future I see for each of them. They also provide some real game time experience which means depth to our roster, something that has been lacking on our team for a very long time. 

[huskerbaseball13]

 

 

 

Find a big man and things change dramatically next year.   Not to trash him on senior night...but we are instantly better the minute Parker's eligibiity expires. 

 

Shields is an all timer but I do think he's replaceable.   For as good as he's been the last two games, he's had some poor games in conference as well.   Another year of experience for Watson and the others and Gill and Roby coming in can offset Shields IMO.

 

In a perfect situation for me...Fuller and Hammond move on... we get a 5th year or JUCO transfer big, Jordy T and a shooter for next year.

Just any old big man right? It doesn't matter if they can play right? You make it sound like it's an easy position to recruit. 6'11"+ quality guys just go on trees and we just need to pick one...right. Lets not go back in time where we waste scholarships on guys who make Hammond look like an AA. 

 

I don't want to see anyone transfer. Both of those guys, Hammond and Fuller, are at the very least serviceable, if not in games then in practice, who can give you good minutes and spark off the bench. They are also going to be upperclassman which provides our team with some stability and leadership. We need an off season of stability...for once. 

 

If anybody where to leave it should be Molinari since he coaches our big men, but even then I like to see us have some stability in our coaching. We have got to stop this revolving door of coaches and players and just stick with who we've got for better or worse. Miles took over a program that was an absolutely disaster. It is going to take much more than 4 years to get us to a spot where we have some stability and move us out of the bottom of the conference. 

 

With all that said Miles has to find a way with a smaller lineup to play against teams like Purdue. When you front a big men like Hammons or Haas you better make sure that that the guy who is passing the ball in to him has someone in his face. Several times our center rotated to help on defense against a penetrating guard when it wasn't necessary leaving the Purdue big man wide open for the dunk. A player like Hammons should always have a defender stuck to his hip. We also failed on rotating our defense leaving wide open 3pt shots. Early in the game all the wrong people where taking shots. Shields and AWIII were MIA and we looked like a team without any answers. Miles called TO a couple of times during that early Purdue run and it didn't help. Give credit to Purdue because they looked very polished.

 

We have at least 2 more games left to play this season and in the NCAA isn't over until its over. This team is very capable of putting together a run. Until this game against Purdue we had played everybody in our conference tough, even in our losses.

 

I grow tired of our entitled whinny fan base and our local hack media. We are becoming our own worst enemy.  

 

 

Aren't you being a tad bit hypocritical here considering your thoughts on our AD and Mike Riley the moment he stepped foot on campus?

 

The fans packed the PBA for a 14-15 team....whine about the fans when they stop showing up.

 

I'm talking about basketball and not football. Two very different programs with very different histories. Nice try though.

 

I wouldn't exactly say the PBA has been packed. I'm not whining about the fans, I'm describing who they are.

 

 

I fail to see the difference.  So it's okay for you to whine about the AD and football program because we have great history(you feel entitled?) but it's not okay for Nebrasketball fans to whine because our history is dismal? 

[Dead Dog Alley]

Can anyone explain why Fuller won't shoot? That's what he was recruited for and then he only attempts two 3 pointers all year. Not that he will ever be a star in this conference, but he plays hard, works hard, doesn't make many mental mistakes. So why is he afraid to shoot? Is there an injury issue?

[Silverbacked1]

in the past his shot has looked pretty bad.  He has hit the side of the backboard a couple of times.  I too often hope that he could find that stroke that he showed in his high school films.  We need that 

[Norm Peterson]

 

 

 

 

Find a big man and things change dramatically next year.   Not to trash him on senior night...but we are instantly better the minute Parker's eligibiity expires. 

 

Shields is an all timer but I do think he's replaceable.   For as good as he's been the last two games, he's had some poor games in conference as well.   Another year of experience for Watson and the others and Gill and Roby coming in can offset Shields IMO.

 

In a perfect situation for me...Fuller and Hammond move on... we get a 5th year or JUCO transfer big, Jordy T and a shooter for next year.

Just any old big man right? It doesn't matter if they can play right? You make it sound like it's an easy position to recruit. 6'11"+ quality guys just go on trees and we just need to pick one...right. Lets not go back in time where we waste scholarships on guys who make Hammond look like an AA. 

 

I don't want to see anyone transfer. Both of those guys, Hammond and Fuller, are at the very least serviceable, if not in games then in practice, who can give you good minutes and spark off the bench. They are also going to be upperclassman which provides our team with some stability and leadership. We need an off season of stability...for once. 

 

If anybody where to leave it should be Molinari since he coaches our big men, but even then I like to see us have some stability in our coaching. We have got to stop this revolving door of coaches and players and just stick with who we've got for better or worse. Miles took over a program that was an absolutely disaster. It is going to take much more than 4 years to get us to a spot where we have some stability and move us out of the bottom of the conference. 

 

With all that said Miles has to find a way with a smaller lineup to play against teams like Purdue. When you front a big men like Hammons or Haas you better make sure that that the guy who is passing the ball in to him has someone in his face. Several times our center rotated to help on defense against a penetrating guard when it wasn't necessary leaving the Purdue big man wide open for the dunk. A player like Hammons should always have a defender stuck to his hip. We also failed on rotating our defense leaving wide open 3pt shots. Early in the game all the wrong people where taking shots. Shields and AWIII were MIA and we looked like a team without any answers. Miles called TO a couple of times during that early Purdue run and it didn't help. Give credit to Purdue because they looked very polished.

 

We have at least 2 more games left to play this season and in the NCAA isn't over until its over. This team is very capable of putting together a run. Until this game against Purdue we had played everybody in our conference tough, even in our losses.

 

I grow tired of our entitled whinny fan base and our local hack media. We are becoming our own worst enemy.  

 

 

Aren't you being a tad bit hypocritical here considering your thoughts on our AD and Mike Riley the moment he stepped foot on campus?

 

The fans packed the PBA for a 14-15 team....whine about the fans when they stop showing up.

 

I'm talking about basketball and not football. Two very different programs with very different histories. Nice try though.

 

I wouldn't exactly say the PBA has been packed. I'm not whining about the fans, I'm describing who they are.

 

 

I fail to see the difference.  So it's okay for you to whine about the AD and football program because we have great history(you feel entitled?) but it's not okay for Nebrasketball fans to whine because our history is dismal? 

 

I haven't seen Ron discuss football on this board.  Are you bringing up something he said elsewhere?

 

Didn't you get mad at me for doing that to you?  Or am I thinking of a different guy?

[Ron Mexico]

 

 

 

 

Find a big man and things change dramatically next year.   Not to trash him on senior night...but we are instantly better the minute Parker's eligibiity expires. 

 

Shields is an all timer but I do think he's replaceable.   For as good as he's been the last two games, he's had some poor games in conference as well.   Another year of experience for Watson and the others and Gill and Roby coming in can offset Shields IMO.

 

In a perfect situation for me...Fuller and Hammond move on... we get a 5th year or JUCO transfer big, Jordy T and a shooter for next year.

Just any old big man right? It doesn't matter if they can play right? You make it sound like it's an easy position to recruit. 6'11"+ quality guys just go on trees and we just need to pick one...right. Lets not go back in time where we waste scholarships on guys who make Hammond look like an AA. 

 

I don't want to see anyone transfer. Both of those guys, Hammond and Fuller, are at the very least serviceable, if not in games then in practice, who can give you good minutes and spark off the bench. They are also going to be upperclassman which provides our team with some stability and leadership. We need an off season of stability...for once. 

 

If anybody where to leave it should be Molinari since he coaches our big men, but even then I like to see us have some stability in our coaching. We have got to stop this revolving door of coaches and players and just stick with who we've got for better or worse. Miles took over a program that was an absolutely disaster. It is going to take much more than 4 years to get us to a spot where we have some stability and move us out of the bottom of the conference. 

 

With all that said Miles has to find a way with a smaller lineup to play against teams like Purdue. When you front a big men like Hammons or Haas you better make sure that that the guy who is passing the ball in to him has someone in his face. Several times our center rotated to help on defense against a penetrating guard when it wasn't necessary leaving the Purdue big man wide open for the dunk. A player like Hammons should always have a defender stuck to his hip. We also failed on rotating our defense leaving wide open 3pt shots. Early in the game all the wrong people where taking shots. Shields and AWIII were MIA and we looked like a team without any answers. Miles called TO a couple of times during that early Purdue run and it didn't help. Give credit to Purdue because they looked very polished.

 

We have at least 2 more games left to play this season and in the NCAA isn't over until its over. This team is very capable of putting together a run. Until this game against Purdue we had played everybody in our conference tough, even in our losses.

 

I grow tired of our entitled whinny fan base and our local hack media. We are becoming our own worst enemy.  

 

 

Aren't you being a tad bit hypocritical here considering your thoughts on our AD and Mike Riley the moment he stepped foot on campus?

 

The fans packed the PBA for a 14-15 team....whine about the fans when they stop showing up.

 

I'm talking about basketball and not football. Two very different programs with very different histories. Nice try though.

 

I wouldn't exactly say the PBA has been packed. I'm not whining about the fans, I'm describing who they are.

 

 

I fail to see the difference.  So it's okay for you to whine about the AD and football program because we have great history(you feel entitled?) but it's not okay for Nebrasketball fans to whine because our history is dismal? 

 

I could try and explain the difference to you until I'm blue in the face and you still wouldn't understand.

[Red Rum]

I feel like we were having this exact same Hammond discussion a few years....only it was about Ubel. Oh and Benny, and probably every other kid someone thought should not be allowed to wear a Husker jersey.

[nustudent]

 

 

 

Find a big man and things change dramatically next year.   Not to trash him on senior night...but we are instantly better the minute Parker's eligibiity expires. 

 

Shields is an all timer but I do think he's replaceable.   For as good as he's been the last two games, he's had some poor games in conference as well.   Another year of experience for Watson and the others and Gill and Roby coming in can offset Shields IMO.

 

In a perfect situation for me...Fuller and Hammond move on... we get a 5th year or JUCO transfer big, Jordy T and a shooter for next year.

Just any old big man right? It doesn't matter if they can play right? You make it sound like it's an easy position to recruit. 6'11"+ quality guys just go on trees and we just need to pick one...right. Lets not go back in time where we waste scholarships on guys who make Hammond look like an AA. 

 

I don't want to see anyone transfer. Both of those guys, Hammond and Fuller, are at the very least serviceable, if not in games then in practice, who can give you good minutes and spark off the bench. They are also going to be upperclassman which provides our team with some stability and leadership. We need an off season of stability...for once. 

 

If anybody where to leave it should be Molinari since he coaches our big men, but even then I like to see us have some stability in our coaching. We have got to stop this revolving door of coaches and players and just stick with who we've got for better or worse. Miles took over a program that was an absolutely disaster. It is going to take much more than 4 years to get us to a spot where we have some stability and move us out of the bottom of the conference. 

 

With all that said Miles has to find a way with a smaller lineup to play against teams like Purdue. When you front a big men like Hammons or Haas you better make sure that that the guy who is passing the ball in to him has someone in his face. Several times our center rotated to help on defense against a penetrating guard when it wasn't necessary leaving the Purdue big man wide open for the dunk. A player like Hammons should always have a defender stuck to his hip. We also failed on rotating our defense leaving wide open 3pt shots. Early in the game all the wrong people where taking shots. Shields and AWIII were MIA and we looked like a team without any answers. Miles called TO a couple of times during that early Purdue run and it didn't help. Give credit to Purdue because they looked very polished.

 

We have at least 2 more games left to play this season and in the NCAA isn't over until its over. This team is very capable of putting together a run. Until this game against Purdue we had played everybody in our conference tough, even in our losses.

 

I grow tired of our entitled whinny fan base and our local hack media. We are becoming our own worst enemy.  

 

Lost me at Hammond and Fuller are serviceable.  Because outside of the random game each...neither has shown that and they aren't exactly playing behind a ton of McDonald's All Americans.  Neither could find a lot of time on a team that was very thin and very inexperienced and very inconsistent in the front court.   That doesn't scream serviceable.  

They have both had more than just a random game. Each of them has had moments in games this year. That is the very definition of serviceable. Serviceable means role player and that is exactly the future I see for each of them. They also provide some real game time experience which means depth to our roster, something that has been lacking on our team for a very long time. 

 

These guys couldn't log serious minutes on a very frontcourt depleted roster.  They combined for 0 points and 2 rebounds in 19 minutes the other night.   Not my idea of serviceable.  At least as it pertains to being a good team.  My idea of a serviceable player is a guy who is consistently solid.   Guys like Jacobson and Morrow this year were serviceable.   They weren't great...they were freshmen who have ability and went through growing pains.  At times they were good.  Other times...not so much.   Fuller and Hammond could barely even challenge them.   And were bad far more often than they were good.  

[huskerbaseball13]

 

 

 

 

 

Find a big man and things change dramatically next year.   Not to trash him on senior night...but we are instantly better the minute Parker's eligibiity expires. 

 

Shields is an all timer but I do think he's replaceable.   For as good as he's been the last two games, he's had some poor games in conference as well.   Another year of experience for Watson and the others and Gill and Roby coming in can offset Shields IMO.

 

In a perfect situation for me...Fuller and Hammond move on... we get a 5th year or JUCO transfer big, Jordy T and a shooter for next year.

Just any old big man right? It doesn't matter if they can play right? You make it sound like it's an easy position to recruit. 6'11"+ quality guys just go on trees and we just need to pick one...right. Lets not go back in time where we waste scholarships on guys who make Hammond look like an AA. 

 

I don't want to see anyone transfer. Both of those guys, Hammond and Fuller, are at the very least serviceable, if not in games then in practice, who can give you good minutes and spark off the bench. They are also going to be upperclassman which provides our team with some stability and leadership. We need an off season of stability...for once. 

 

If anybody where to leave it should be Molinari since he coaches our big men, but even then I like to see us have some stability in our coaching. We have got to stop this revolving door of coaches and players and just stick with who we've got for better or worse. Miles took over a program that was an absolutely disaster. It is going to take much more than 4 years to get us to a spot where we have some stability and move us out of the bottom of the conference. 

 

With all that said Miles has to find a way with a smaller lineup to play against teams like Purdue. When you front a big men like Hammons or Haas you better make sure that that the guy who is passing the ball in to him has someone in his face. Several times our center rotated to help on defense against a penetrating guard when it wasn't necessary leaving the Purdue big man wide open for the dunk. A player like Hammons should always have a defender stuck to his hip. We also failed on rotating our defense leaving wide open 3pt shots. Early in the game all the wrong people where taking shots. Shields and AWIII were MIA and we looked like a team without any answers. Miles called TO a couple of times during that early Purdue run and it didn't help. Give credit to Purdue because they looked very polished.

 

We have at least 2 more games left to play this season and in the NCAA isn't over until its over. This team is very capable of putting together a run. Until this game against Purdue we had played everybody in our conference tough, even in our losses.

 

I grow tired of our entitled whinny fan base and our local hack media. We are becoming our own worst enemy.  

 

 

Aren't you being a tad bit hypocritical here considering your thoughts on our AD and Mike Riley the moment he stepped foot on campus?

 

The fans packed the PBA for a 14-15 team....whine about the fans when they stop showing up.

 

I'm talking about basketball and not football. Two very different programs with very different histories. Nice try though.

 

I wouldn't exactly say the PBA has been packed. I'm not whining about the fans, I'm describing who they are.

 

 

I fail to see the difference.  So it's okay for you to whine about the AD and football program because we have great history(you feel entitled?) but it's not okay for Nebrasketball fans to whine because our history is dismal? 

 

I haven't seen Ron discuss football on this board.  Are you bringing up something he said elsewhere?

 

Didn't you get mad at me for doing that to you?  Or am I thinking of a different guy?

 

 

I have no idea what you're talking about so you must have a different guy.  I don't know why posts on other sites...or social media for that matter wouldn't apply here.  No actual quote really sticks out in my mind for Ron...I just know he doesn't like Eichorst or Riley for that matter.  AKA...he whines about them.  But I guess that's different because as a Nebraska football fan we should feel entitled...but not as a Nebrasketball fan.      

 

Either way it just rubs me the wrong way when people try to bash our fanbase....not many fans would support a program like this as much as the Husker fanbase does.  We are not part of the problem. 

[nustudent]

Okay so if we cut both Hammond and Fuller and don't get anybody,what does this do to our program then?  

 

We then have 3 open scholarships and nobody filling them.

 

Because we haven't been world beaters in filling our roster now.  If we wait and have a kid maybe.  But you have two guys in the system who know what is takes, will sit and not leave because they aren't getting time, help in practice, and are like Minutemen in that they are ready to play even if they haven't played for a couple of games or weeks.

 

I guess because I'm old I still believe in having some loyalty to a player and school, along with a coach being loyal to players.  To me at5 this point in this program we aren't going to fill those two spots with better players or team mates.  Then we are back to square whatever number it is.

 

Just my thoughts on the deal with what I call the Fantasy League mentality which is drop coaches and players on a whim because I can get somebody better on the open market.

Specifically moreso with Fuller than Hammond...you aren't missing a lot if he moves on.   You have Gill, Roby and Horne coming in next year.   Add a year of experience to McVeigh and White and Webster coming back and there are a lot of bodies you can play at the 3 and stretch 4 position.  With Hammond, while I don't think he is very good and won't be...at least he has size.  Fuller isn't athletic, big and for being known as a shooter, is remarkably bad at it.

 

I would trust the coaches to have a feel for what they can get and what is out there.   For example...if Tshimanga commits and they feel like they can get a quality transfer....then it may be time to have a difficult conversation.  If they don't believe they can get a big guy and are iffy on Tshimanga...then don't.

[Ron Mexico]

I feel like we were having this exact same Hammond discussion a few years....only it was about Ubel. Oh and Benny, and probably every other kid someone thought should not be allowed to wear a Husker jersey.

Tai Webster comes to mind.

[Silverbacked1]

 

Okay so if we cut both Hammond and Fuller and don't get anybody,what does this do to our program then?  

 

We then have 3 open scholarships and nobody filling them.

 

Because we haven't been world beaters in filling our roster now.  If we wait and have a kid maybe.  But you have two guys in the system who know what is takes, will sit and not leave because they aren't getting time, help in practice, and are like Minutemen in that they are ready to play even if they haven't played for a couple of games or weeks.

 

I guess because I'm old I still believe in having some loyalty to a player and school, along with a coach being loyal to players.  To me at5 this point in this program we aren't going to fill those two spots with better players or team mates.  Then we are back to square whatever number it is.

 

Just my thoughts on the deal with what I call the Fantasy League mentality which is drop coaches and players on a whim because I can get somebody better on the open market.

Specifically moreso with Fuller than Hammond...you aren't missing a lot if he moves on.   You have Gill, Roby and Horne coming in next year.   Add a year of experience to McVeigh and White and Webster coming back and there are a lot of bodies you can play at the 3 and stretch 4 position.  With Hammond, while I don't think he is very good and won't be...at least he has size.  Fuller isn't athletic, big and for being known as a shooter, is remarkably bad at it.

 

I would trust the coaches to have a feel for what they can get and what is out there.   For example...if Tshimanga commits and they feel like they can get a quality transfer....then it may be time to have a difficult conversation.  If they don't believe they can get a big guy and are iffy on Tshimanga...then don't.

 

Which is what I was kind of saying IF and it is a big IF Tim and company could find 3 guys to come here that were upgrades then I guess you sit down and talk.  But I haven't see Tim and company do that yet.  So I said keep them until you know for sure that we have these new unbelievable players that will be coming in.

 

Or are you saying dump these two and hope?  Because that would be worse than what we have going now, right?  Or are you saying that Fuller and Hammonds are any better than open scholarships?

[nustudent]

 

 

Okay so if we cut both Hammond and Fuller and don't get anybody,what does this do to our program then?  

 

We then have 3 open scholarships and nobody filling them.

 

Because we haven't been world beaters in filling our roster now.  If we wait and have a kid maybe.  But you have two guys in the system who know what is takes, will sit and not leave because they aren't getting time, help in practice, and are like Minutemen in that they are ready to play even if they haven't played for a couple of games or weeks.

 

I guess because I'm old I still believe in having some loyalty to a player and school, along with a coach being loyal to players.  To me at5 this point in this program we aren't going to fill those two spots with better players or team mates.  Then we are back to square whatever number it is.

 

Just my thoughts on the deal with what I call the Fantasy League mentality which is drop coaches and players on a whim because I can get somebody better on the open market.

Specifically moreso with Fuller than Hammond...you aren't missing a lot if he moves on.   You have Gill, Roby and Horne coming in next year.   Add a year of experience to McVeigh and White and Webster coming back and there are a lot of bodies you can play at the 3 and stretch 4 position.  With Hammond, while I don't think he is very good and won't be...at least he has size.  Fuller isn't athletic, big and for being known as a shooter, is remarkably bad at it.

 

I would trust the coaches to have a feel for what they can get and what is out there.   For example...if Tshimanga commits and they feel like they can get a quality transfer....then it may be time to have a difficult conversation.  If they don't believe they can get a big guy and are iffy on Tshimanga...then don't.

 

Which is what I was kind of saying IF and it is a big IF Tim and company could find 3 guys to come here that were upgrades then I guess you sit down and talk.  But I haven't see Tim and company do that yet.  So I said keep them until you know for sure that we have these new unbelievable players that will be coming in.

 

Or are you saying dump these two and hope?  Because that would be worse than what we have going now, right?  Or are you saying that Fuller and Hammonds are any better than open scholarships?

 

I'm saying we should recruit as if we have 3 open ships.  If we can find some legitimate talent to come in...don't turn it away.

 

As far as if Fuller and Hammonds are better than open scholarships.   Nice to have them for practice players.   I guess this is the way I will phrase it as being better than open scholarships.  IMO, If both left and we replaced them with nobody, it would not cost us anything in the W/L record next year. 

[Silverbacked1]

 

 

 

Okay so if we cut both Hammond and Fuller and don't get anybody,what does this do to our program then?  

 

We then have 3 open scholarships and nobody filling them.

 

Because we haven't been world beaters in filling our roster now.  If we wait and have a kid maybe.  But you have two guys in the system who know what is takes, will sit and not leave because they aren't getting time, help in practice, and are like Minutemen in that they are ready to play even if they haven't played for a couple of games or weeks.

 

I guess because I'm old I still believe in having some loyalty to a player and school, along with a coach being loyal to players.  To me at5 this point in this program we aren't going to fill those two spots with better players or team mates.  Then we are back to square whatever number it is.

 

Just my thoughts on the deal with what I call the Fantasy League mentality which is drop coaches and players on a whim because I can get somebody better on the open market.

Specifically moreso with Fuller than Hammond...you aren't missing a lot if he moves on.   You have Gill, Roby and Horne coming in next year.   Add a year of experience to McVeigh and White and Webster coming back and there are a lot of bodies you can play at the 3 and stretch 4 position.  With Hammond, while I don't think he is very good and won't be...at least he has size.  Fuller isn't athletic, big and for being known as a shooter, is remarkably bad at it.

 

I would trust the coaches to have a feel for what they can get and what is out there.   For example...if Tshimanga commits and they feel like they can get a quality transfer....then it may be time to have a difficult conversation.  If they don't believe they can get a big guy and are iffy on Tshimanga...then don't.

 

Which is what I was kind of saying IF and it is a big IF Tim and company could find 3 guys to come here that were upgrades then I guess you sit down and talk.  But I haven't see Tim and company do that yet.  So I said keep them until you know for sure that we have these new unbelievable players that will be coming in.

 

Or are you saying dump these two and hope?  Because that would be worse than what we have going now, right?  Or are you saying that Fuller and Hammonds are any better than open scholarships?

 

I'm saying we should recruit as if we have 3 open ships.  If we can find some legitimate talent to come in...don't turn it away.

 

As far as if Fuller and Hammonds are better than open scholarships.   Nice to have them for practice players.   I guess this is the way I will phrase it as being better than open scholarships.  IMO, If both left and we replaced them with nobody, it would not cost us anything in the W/L record next year. 

 

wow that is harsh dude.

[hskr4life]

Okay so if we cut both Hammond and Fuller and don't get anybody,what does this do to our program then?  

 

We then have 3 open scholarships and nobody filling them.

 

Because we haven't been world beaters in filling our roster now.  If we wait and have a kid maybe.  But you have two guys in the system who know what is takes, will sit and not leave because they aren't getting time, help in practice, and are like Minutemen in that they are ready to play even if they haven't played for a couple of games or weeks.

 

I guess because I'm old I still believe in having some loyalty to a player and school, along with a coach being loyal to players.  To me at5 this point in this program we aren't going to fill those two spots with better players or team mates.  Then we are back to square whatever number it is.

 

Just my thoughts on the deal with what I call the Fantasy League mentality which is drop coaches and players on a whim because I can get somebody better on the open market.

Specifically moreso with Fuller than Hammond...you aren't missing a lot if he moves on.   You have Gill, Roby and Horne coming in next year.   Add a year of experience to McVeigh and White and Webster coming back and there are a lot of bodies you can play at the 3 and stretch 4 position.  With Hammond, while I don't think he is very good and won't be...at least he has size.  Fuller isn't athletic, big and for being known as a shooter, is remarkably bad at it.

 

I would trust the coaches to have a feel for what they can get and what is out there.   For example...if Tshimanga commits and they feel like they can get a quality transfer....then it may be time to have a difficult conversation.  If they don't believe they can get a big guy and are iffy on Tshimanga...then don't.

Which is what I was kind of saying IF and it is a big IF Tim and company could find 3 guys to come here that were upgrades then I guess you sit down and talk.  But I haven't see Tim and company do that yet.  So I said keep them until you know for sure that we have these new unbelievable players that will be coming in.

 

Or are you saying dump these two and hope?  Because that would be worse than what we have going now, right?  Or are you saying that Fuller and Hammonds are any better than open scholarships?

I'm saying we should recruit as if we have 3 open ships.  If we can find some legitimate talent to come in...don't turn it away.

 

As far as if Fuller and Hammonds are better than open scholarships.   Nice to have them for practice players.   I guess this is the way I will phrase it as being better than open scholarships.  IMO, If both left and we replaced them with nobody, it would not cost us anything in the W/L record next year.

Until it does cost you... People said the same yikity yak about Benny, and Tai, and Fuller and Hammond are now the guys who can't cut it and won't give us anything positive the next couple of years. Where would we have been this year without Benny and Tai? Because what you are saying could lead us to question where we might have gone in 1 year or two with Nick and Hammond.

[nustudent]

 

 

 

 

Okay so if we cut both Hammond and Fuller and don't get anybody,what does this do to our program then?  

 

We then have 3 open scholarships and nobody filling them.

 

Because we haven't been world beaters in filling our roster now.  If we wait and have a kid maybe.  But you have two guys in the system who know what is takes, will sit and not leave because they aren't getting time, help in practice, and are like Minutemen in that they are ready to play even if they haven't played for a couple of games or weeks.

 

I guess because I'm old I still believe in having some loyalty to a player and school, along with a coach being loyal to players.  To me at5 this point in this program we aren't going to fill those two spots with better players or team mates.  Then we are back to square whatever number it is.

 

Just my thoughts on the deal with what I call the Fantasy League mentality which is drop coaches and players on a whim because I can get somebody better on the open market.

Specifically moreso with Fuller than Hammond...you aren't missing a lot if he moves on.   You have Gill, Roby and Horne coming in next year.   Add a year of experience to McVeigh and White and Webster coming back and there are a lot of bodies you can play at the 3 and stretch 4 position.  With Hammond, while I don't think he is very good and won't be...at least he has size.  Fuller isn't athletic, big and for being known as a shooter, is remarkably bad at it.

 

I would trust the coaches to have a feel for what they can get and what is out there.   For example...if Tshimanga commits and they feel like they can get a quality transfer....then it may be time to have a difficult conversation.  If they don't believe they can get a big guy and are iffy on Tshimanga...then don't.

 

Which is what I was kind of saying IF and it is a big IF Tim and company could find 3 guys to come here that were upgrades then I guess you sit down and talk.  But I haven't see Tim and company do that yet.  So I said keep them until you know for sure that we have these new unbelievable players that will be coming in.

 

Or are you saying dump these two and hope?  Because that would be worse than what we have going now, right?  Or are you saying that Fuller and Hammonds are any better than open scholarships?

 

I'm saying we should recruit as if we have 3 open ships.  If we can find some legitimate talent to come in...don't turn it away.

 

As far as if Fuller and Hammonds are better than open scholarships.   Nice to have them for practice players.   I guess this is the way I will phrase it as being better than open scholarships.  IMO, If both left and we replaced them with nobody, it would not cost us anything in the W/L record next year. 

 

wow that is harsh dude.

 

It's not meant to be.   Just my opinion.   I look at our performance this year and don't see one game that they made the difference between a win and a loss.   I think we are more talented and deeper next year so I see them having even less of a role than they did this year. 

[49r]

 

I'm saying we should recruit as if we have 3 open ships.  If we can find some legitimate talent to come in...don't turn it away.

 

As far as if Fuller and Hammonds are better than open scholarships.   Nice to have them for practice players.   I guess this is the way I will phrase it as being better than open scholarships.  IMO, If both left and we replaced them with nobody, it would not cost us anything in the W/L record next year. 

 

 

wow that is harsh dude.

 

 

 

I'm not so sure he doesn't have a point here, silver.

 

Coach Miles has gone on the record as saying - telling his team effectively - "It's my job to recruit kids who will take your job, it's your job to prove they can't".  So, coach himself is likely working to do the very thing student is talking about...

 

He may not be recruiting with replacing both Hammond and Fuller as well as filling the open scholarship in mind, but if say he is able to land a big, and maybe another top 100 type transfer or something, he wouldn't hesitate to tell one of those guys they should be looking for playing opportunities elsewhere.  Unless someone has already decided to transfer before that happens.  Which has happened with regularity.

 

I'm not saying he will, or even should replace either of them.  I'm just saying it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility.

[nustudent]

 

 

 

 

Okay so if we cut both Hammond and Fuller and don't get anybody,what does this do to our program then?  

 

We then have 3 open scholarships and nobody filling them.

 

Because we haven't been world beaters in filling our roster now.  If we wait and have a kid maybe.  But you have two guys in the system who know what is takes, will sit and not leave because they aren't getting time, help in practice, and are like Minutemen in that they are ready to play even if they haven't played for a couple of games or weeks.

 

I guess because I'm old I still believe in having some loyalty to a player and school, along with a coach being loyal to players.  To me at5 this point in this program we aren't going to fill those two spots with better players or team mates.  Then we are back to square whatever number it is.

 

Just my thoughts on the deal with what I call the Fantasy League mentality which is drop coaches and players on a whim because I can get somebody better on the open market.

Specifically moreso with Fuller than Hammond...you aren't missing a lot if he moves on.   You have Gill, Roby and Horne coming in next year.   Add a year of experience to McVeigh and White and Webster coming back and there are a lot of bodies you can play at the 3 and stretch 4 position.  With Hammond, while I don't think he is very good and won't be...at least he has size.  Fuller isn't athletic, big and for being known as a shooter, is remarkably bad at it.

 

I would trust the coaches to have a feel for what they can get and what is out there.   For example...if Tshimanga commits and they feel like they can get a quality transfer....then it may be time to have a difficult conversation.  If they don't believe they can get a big guy and are iffy on Tshimanga...then don't.

Which is what I was kind of saying IF and it is a big IF Tim and company could find 3 guys to come here that were upgrades then I guess you sit down and talk.  But I haven't see Tim and company do that yet.  So I said keep them until you know for sure that we have these new unbelievable players that will be coming in.

 

Or are you saying dump these two and hope?  Because that would be worse than what we have going now, right?  Or are you saying that Fuller and Hammonds are any better than open scholarships?

I'm saying we should recruit as if we have 3 open ships.  If we can find some legitimate talent to come in...don't turn it away.

 

As far as if Fuller and Hammonds are better than open scholarships.   Nice to have them for practice players.   I guess this is the way I will phrase it as being better than open scholarships.  IMO, If both left and we replaced them with nobody, it would not cost us anything in the W/L record next year.

Until it does cost you... People said the same yikity yak about Benny, and Tai, and Fuller and Hammond are now the guys who can't cut it and won't give us anything positive the next couple of years. Where would we have been this year without Benny and Tai? Because what you are saying could lead us to question where we might have gone in 1 year or two with Nick and Hammond.

 

I think there is quite a bit of difference.   For one...Fuller is at the end of his 3rd year.   Not a true frosh when people were questioning Benny and Tai.   Secondly....you have a deeper roster next year...so it's fair to question what type of impact they will have.  Benny and Tai didn't have a lot of other talent to compete with at their spots.

[brfrad]

IMO, it needs to be up to the kids. I don't want to be known as the team that runs kids off. I don't think Miles wants to be known as that coach, either. At the end of the season, he will tell the players what they can expect. They probably won't get much playing time.

Hammond's problem is off the court. He was playing well early in the season until he had to take care of a personal matter (I'm assuming academics). If he got 25 minutes, and kept his pace, he would average 5.3 points and 6.4 rebounds per game. Add to that 1.4 blocks, he would be what we need, a decent player that could clean the glass. Even if we get Jordy, he is not going to give us much more than that during his freshman year.

[huskerbaseball13]

IMO, it needs to be up to the kids. I don't want to be known as the team that runs kids off. I don't think Miles wants to be known as that coach, either. At the end of the season, he will tell the players what they can expect. They probably won't get much playing time.

Hammond's problem is off the court. He was playing well early in the season until he had to take care of a personal matter (I'm assuming academics). If he got 25 minutes, and kept his pace, he would average 5.3 points and 6.4 rebounds per game. Add to that 1.4 blocks, he would be what we need, a decent player that could clean the glass. Even if we get Jordy, he is not going to give us much more than that during his freshman year.

 

Unless they are causing problems within the team and off the court my guess is it will be.  And I don't think Fuller or Hammond are those type of guys.  Miles will sit them down after the season and probably be honest with them in regards to their future PT.  At that point it will be up to them of they want to get more minutes elsewhere.  Roster turnover is not always bad...but obviously we need to retain our key parts.  I don't think Miles can afford to lose someone like Glynn Watson at this point. 

[swmckewon]

 

 

I wouldn't exactly say the PBA has been packed. I'm not whining about the fans, I'm describing who they are.

 

Nebraska basketball fans are unbelievably loyal. Nebraska won 19 games two years ago and it was like a religious revival. 

 

Nebraska is 11-22 in the Big Ten the last two years. That there is 9,000 fans in that arena, much less 14,000 fans, is a testament to the arena and the fans who fill it. Not the product on the court. 

[jimmykc]

Could make the same case for Creighton, Sam, despite the squeals of protest which will arise that the Jays are a "successful" program. Everything is relative, you must remember, and my own undergraduate days were spent in Lawrence.

[huskerbaseball13]

 

 

 

I wouldn't exactly say the PBA has been packed. I'm not whining about the fans, I'm describing who they are.

 

Nebraska basketball fans are unbelievably loyal. Nebraska won 19 games two years ago and it was like a religious revival. 

 

Nebraska is 11-22 in the Big Ten the last two years. That there is 9,000 fans in that arena, much less 14,000 fans, is a testament to the arena and the fans who fill it. Not the product on the court. 

 

 

[HuskerFever]

 

 

 

I wouldn't exactly say the PBA has been packed. I'm not whining about the fans, I'm describing who they are.

 

Nebraska basketball fans are unbelievably loyal. Nebraska won 19 games two years ago and it was like a religious revival. 

 

Nebraska is 11-22 in the Big Ten the last two years. That there is 9,000 fans in that arena, much less 14,000 fans, is a testament to the arena and the fans who fill it. Not the product on the court. 

 

 

This is true. Any other comparable university and the attendance is probably somewhere around 4,000-7,000 fans.

[Buglem]

 

 

 

I wouldn't exactly say the PBA has been packed. I'm not whining about the fans, I'm describing who they are.

 

Nebraska basketball fans are unbelievably loyal. Nebraska won 19 games two years ago and it was like a religious revival. 

 

Nebraska is 11-22 in the Big Ten the last two years. That there is 9,000 fans in that arena, much less 14,000 fans, is a testament to the arena and the fans who fill it. Not the product on the court. 

 

I'll disagree slightly that it's not about the product on the floor.  Everything is relative.  If you look at the quality of basketball, the product on the court this year is light years ahead of the last couple years under Doc.  I loved Doc but the basketball was nearly unwatchable.  Slow, grind it out games and no real athleticism on the court.  This year the quality of basketball was fairly good, the offensive flow was better than the last few years (including the NCAA team two years ago).  The W/L results aren't what we want them to be and if that's the only way you judge the quality of the product on the court, then the quality isn't good.  However, most of the games we have played have been fun to watch and the level of play and athleticism is significantly higher than the past few years (except for two years ago).

 

I find it funny to hear all the gnashing of teeth going on about a team that essentially lived up to the preseason expectations.  Nobody expected us to be in the NCAA's this year and everyone predicted us to be about a .500 team.  I don't remember anyone saying the freshmen were "Fab 5" types and going to be the saviors of the program.  They were definitely the most heralded class we have had in years but I don't think any of them were Top 50 players in their class (except if you include Andrew).  It's comical seeing the writers comment about how the class didn't live up to the hype and how the season has been a disappointment.  

 

At the end of the day, we brought in a solid group of freshmen, played to expectations and appear to have a solid nucleus of players coming back.  We clearly need more and better big men and to continue to improve but the foundation appears to have been laid for the future.  Are we exactly where we want to be at this very moment - NO! Should we settle for what the results are today? ABSOLUTELY NOT! But I don't see why people are so upset/surprised by where we are right now.  Maybe I'm just missing something.