2014 SG Jordan Cornish -> UNLV-> Tulane

[trickey]

 

By the way, Red Sea Scrolls has an interesting item on Jordan Cornish in today's Tunnel Talk.

 

 

For those of us that do not feed the Rival's pony...can you mention what is of interest?

[Hooper]

 

 

By the way, Red Sea Scrolls has an interesting item on Jordan Cornish in today's Tunnel Talk.

 

 

For those of us that do not feed the Rival's pony...can you mention what is of interest?

 

 

Nothing new really. Robin had some quotes from the LV Sun beat writer, who shared his opinion of UNLV recruiting and gave his prediction that Cornish will commit to them.

 

Robin said that prior to Jordan's visit to Lincoln, the staff didn't feel that great about landing him, but he had a great visit, and his family loved the atmosphere in Lincoln and especially loved what UNL offers in terms of the emphasis on academics. Nebraska let him know that he has a great chance to play substantially very early. 

 

Robin closed by saying he doesn't have a good feeling about Cornish and that he feels he'll pick UNLV. Both the beat writer and Robin talked about how coach Rice has had 7 players transfer over the past three years, but that may not matter much in Jordan's decision. They also mentioned the close friend who's going there (R. Vaughn).

 

It's not looking good, to say the least. I still believe this is a done deal unless mom intervenes. 

[ajb5856]

By the way, Red Sea Scrolls has an interesting item on Jordan Cornish in today's Tunnel Talk.

For those of us that do not feed the Rival's pony...can you mention what is of interest?

Interviewed a UNLV analysts. UNLV guys said UNLV is in great shape to land Cornish. Said the coaches there are really good at letting the players only see what they want them to see and they close very well once they get a recruit on campus to visit. UNLV guy admitted that if Cornish takes a step back to look at UNLV roster turnover and their perimeter depth that Cornish should logically favor NU and what is offered there. Facilities, coaches, atmosphere, academics, and opportunity to contribute immediately on a B1G team legitimately in the hunt for a B1G title. But, in the end UNLV guy predicts Cornish ends up there. Then Robin examines everything, talks about how much the Cornish family loved it here etc etc etc. but in the end Robin predicts he ends up at UNLV as well.

[ajb5856]

Sorry Hooper. Typing while you were typing just a little slower.

[Brandon4Real_X]

Does anyone know if Miles has a backup plan incase we don't get him? We still have a need at Guard!

[Norm Peterson]

If this kid doesn't pick NU, I will follow his career closely, follow him on twitter, and rub it in if he transfers in the next 2 years.  Especially if Nebraska does well in the meantime.  #rathereatsourgrapesthancrow

[colhusker]

Does anyone know if Miles has a backup plan incase we don't get him? We still have a need at Guard!

Isn't he the back up plan to the back up plan?

[bobcat402]

Does anyone know if Miles has a backup plan incase we don't get him? We still have a need at Guard!

gotta imagine giving Dwight Smith a call, and another grad transfer rather than simply giving it to a walk on

[ajb5856]

Makes me wonder. I mean, we jumped in on Cornish because he became available. The coaches knew Hawkins and Vooch were on the way out about mid season, yet we haven't heard about an abundance of recruits we are after that can join the squad for the 2014-2015 season. The coaches must feel good about where we are sitting with some 2015 guys and we'll just wait in the meantime to see if any more transfers become available. I expect a lot of whining when we don't fill out the roster again, which to a degree is okay.

[Hooper]

Makes me wonder. I mean, we jumped in on Cornish because he became available. The coaches knew Hawkins and Vooch were on the way out about mid season, yet we haven't heard about an abundance of recruits we are after that can join the squad for the 2014-2015 season. The coaches must feel good about where we are sitting with some 2015 guys and we'll just wait in the meantime to see if any more transfers become available. I expect a lot of whining when we don't fill out the roster again, which to a degree is okay.

 

So you're cool with filling a 6-player class with quality recruits next year (and without Keanu Pinder too)? 

[TheKamdyMan]

Makes me wonder. I mean, we jumped in on Cornish because he became available. The coaches knew Hawkins and Vooch were on the way out about mid season, yet we haven't heard about an abundance of recruits we are after that can join the squad for the 2014-2015 season. The coaches must feel good about where we are sitting with some 2015 guys and we'll just wait in the meantime to see if any more transfers become available. I expect a lot of whining when we don't fill out the roster again, which to a degree is okay.

 

You can leave spots open for a year, maybe two, when you're an Arizona that does it but not Nebraska.  If they go without another commit they will have 2 spots open this year and 1 each of the previous two seasons.  A school thats never won a NCAA game doesnt have the same luxury some of the bigger schools that leave them open do that have 2-5 McDonalds AA players and multiple other 4 star talent.  I can see maybe one this year but not two, thats just putting you at a disadvantage to build the program.

[uneblinstu]

 

Makes me wonder. I mean, we jumped in on Cornish because he became available. The coaches knew Hawkins and Vooch were on the way out about mid season, yet we haven't heard about an abundance of recruits we are after that can join the squad for the 2014-2015 season. The coaches must feel good about where we are sitting with some 2015 guys and we'll just wait in the meantime to see if any more transfers become available. I expect a lot of whining when we don't fill out the roster again, which to a degree is okay.

 

You can leave spots open for a year, maybe two, when you're an Arizona that does it but not Nebraska.  If they go without another commit they will have 2 spots open this year and 1 each of the previous two seasons.  A school thats never won a NCAA game doesnt have the same luxury some of the bigger schools that leave them open do that have 2-5 McDonalds AA players and multiple other 4 star talent.  I can see maybe one this year but not two, thats just putting you at a disadvantage to build the program.

 

...unless you fill those spots with dead weight...  You can't just fill the spot for the sake of filling it.

[TheKamdyMan]

 

 

Makes me wonder. I mean, we jumped in on Cornish because he became available. The coaches knew Hawkins and Vooch were on the way out about mid season, yet we haven't heard about an abundance of recruits we are after that can join the squad for the 2014-2015 season. The coaches must feel good about where we are sitting with some 2015 guys and we'll just wait in the meantime to see if any more transfers become available. I expect a lot of whining when we don't fill out the roster again, which to a degree is okay.

 

You can leave spots open for a year, maybe two, when you're an Arizona that does it but not Nebraska.  If they go without another commit they will have 2 spots open this year and 1 each of the previous two seasons.  A school thats never won a NCAA game doesnt have the same luxury some of the bigger schools that leave them open do that have 2-5 McDonalds AA players and multiple other 4 star talent.  I can see maybe one this year but not two, thats just putting you at a disadvantage to build the program.

 

...unless you fill those spots with dead weight...  You can't just fill the spot for the sake of filling it.

 

 

Plenty of one year bums or Juco players that were available we could have filled for those unused slots and still be in the same position today.  The point is if you keep doing it you're not using all the assets available to you.  You're already a program behind the 8 ball, why line yourself up better to get taken out?  I'm sure its because they want the very best and if they dont get them they hold on but when it happens 3 years in a row thats a problem.  It means you need to fix something right now.  The definition of insanity fits into play here, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

[uneblinstu]

 

 

 

Makes me wonder. I mean, we jumped in on Cornish because he became available. The coaches knew Hawkins and Vooch were on the way out about mid season, yet we haven't heard about an abundance of recruits we are after that can join the squad for the 2014-2015 season. The coaches must feel good about where we are sitting with some 2015 guys and we'll just wait in the meantime to see if any more transfers become available. I expect a lot of whining when we don't fill out the roster again, which to a degree is okay.

 

You can leave spots open for a year, maybe two, when you're an Arizona that does it but not Nebraska.  If they go without another commit they will have 2 spots open this year and 1 each of the previous two seasons.  A school thats never won a NCAA game doesnt have the same luxury some of the bigger schools that leave them open do that have 2-5 McDonalds AA players and multiple other 4 star talent.  I can see maybe one this year but not two, thats just putting you at a disadvantage to build the program.

 

...unless you fill those spots with dead weight...  You can't just fill the spot for the sake of filling it.

 

 

Plenty of one year bums or Juco players that were available we could have filled for those unused slots and still be in the same position today.  The point is if you keep doing it you're not using all the assets available to you.  You're already a program behind the 8 ball, why line yourself up better to get taken out?  I'm sure its because they want the very best and if they dont get them they hold on but when it happens 3 years in a row thats a problem.  It means you need to fix something right now.  The definition of insanity fits into play here, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

 

If only it were that simple. 

 

I hear what you're saying, but do we know that they're doing the same things as the past couple of years? Same result doesn't mean same process.

[Norm Peterson]

Makes me wonder. I mean, we jumped in on Cornish because he became available. The coaches knew Hawkins and Vooch were on the way out about mid season, yet we haven't heard about an abundance of recruits we are after that can join the squad for the 2014-2015 season. The coaches must feel good about where we are sitting with some 2015 guys and we'll just wait in the meantime to see if any more transfers become available. I expect a lot of whining when we don't fill out the roster again, which to a degree is okay.

Is there any sort of qualitative difference between whining and expressing grave concern?

 

I've pointed out several times that leaving a scholarship open for two years is like a self-imposed probation with scholarship reduction. 

 

If we do it again, how many spots will we be leaving open? 

 

Is there any point in time at which it's OK to express concerns or reservations about something Miles is doing?

[Navin R. Johnson]

I agree with the idea of filling all your scholarships up with players that fit your needs, but to just put a guy on your team to fill a spot is not always a good thing.  Most of your one year transfers expect to play.  If they just sit the bench and fill a roster spot they will potentially bring a bad attitude to the team causing chemistry issues.  If you give a scholarship to a walk-on at least it is a reward for effort and hard work.  Best case scenario is to fill all 13 spots with kids that fit your needs, but it is not always that easy. 

[colhusker]

 

Makes me wonder. I mean, we jumped in on Cornish because he became available. The coaches knew Hawkins and Vooch were on the way out about mid season, yet we haven't heard about an abundance of recruits we are after that can join the squad for the 2014-2015 season. The coaches must feel good about where we are sitting with some 2015 guys and we'll just wait in the meantime to see if any more transfers become available. I expect a lot of whining when we don't fill out the roster again, which to a degree is okay.

 

You can leave spots open for a year, maybe two, when you're an Arizona that does it but not Nebraska.  If they go without another commit they will have 2 spots open this year and 1 each of the previous two seasons.  A school thats never won a NCAA game doesnt have the same luxury some of the bigger schools that leave them open do that have 2-5 McDonalds AA players and multiple other 4 star talent.  I can see maybe one this year but not two, thats just putting you at a disadvantage to build the program.

 

You stated my concern nicely, much better than I have in the past.

[kldm64]

I have no problem leaving these spots open for the class of 2015 if we can't fill them.  I'd rather have extra room available for next year as opposed to just signing anyone to fill them.  That is what got us in trouble under Doc.  He seemed to just sign anyone who would come here instead of being selective and only signing players that will be a fit and/or were more talented.  There are not a lot of top notch players left for 2014.  It's not like Coach Miles hasn't tried but if we miss out on Cornish (which is looks like we will), then it wouldn't be a bad idea to hold spot instead of wasting scholarship on a project.

[uneblinstu]

And, btw, there are still more transfers coming. Petteway didn't announce he was transferring until June (or at least he didn't announce where he was going to sign until then...). It's very possible this gets dragged out over the summer. There's no deadline for when these decisions have be made. If it doesn't happen now or over the next couple of weeks, all is not lost.

[ajb5856]

And, btw, there are still more transfers coming. Petteway didn't announce he was transferring until June (or at least he didn't announce where he was going to sign until then...). It's very possible this gets dragged out over the summer. There's no deadline for when these decisions have be made. If it doesn't happen now or over the next couple of weeks, all is not lost.

Exactly. It's not ideal if those spots go unfilled. It's also not ideal to fill them just to fill them. If Cornish passes, we sit and wait for more transfers to be announced and see if there are any that fit. If they do, the coaches try for those. It's late in the game. There's not much out there. If something comes along, we try, but are in much better position for some of the 2015 guys if all else fails. The coaches have had more time building relationships and connections with those guys. I know some will question the coaches plan if spots are left open, it's not unreasonable to question but it's not like they haven't brought in anything...Hammond...T Smith...Ayegba...

[bball23]

kldm and uneblisnstu....You hit the nail on the head. 

 

First off, what killed Doc at times was he would just fill roster spots and hope it worked.  Like throwing crap against the wall and hoping is would stick.

 

Secondly, I would not be surprised if somehow someway we come up with a transfer.  I could be way off, but I wouldn't be shocked if Miles pulls a rabbit out of his hat.  He has always said he has a plan....maybe part of that plan is making sure late in the process he has a spot open to fill in case a transfer leaves a school very late in the process.  Sure its nice to have all the scholarship spots filled, but at the same time, only about 7-8 guys are going to be getting regular PT.  So if you have that one spot open just in case a "diamind on the rough becomes available" does it really kill ya? 

[bball23]

ajb, you beat me to the punch....we must have been typing at the same time

[Norm Peterson]

In Doc's situation, he was signing guys in November who were marginal/didn't work out.

 

I agree you don't just take a 4-year player just to add a body.  Not even a two-year player.  But you cannot tell me that there were no 2-year players when Miles arrived who couldn't have helped us at least as much as Vooch, Menke and Peltz did in the first two years under Miles.  We've basically had two scholarships languishing virtually unused during that time:  one for Vooch and another for a walk-on.

 

I guess Vooch is an example of a kid we took a reach on in order to fill a spot, so that kind of argues against what I was just saying before about leaving them empty.  Hmmm.  Now I'm not sure how I feel. 

 

It's Friday afternoon.  Maybe it's time to start drinkin' and just forget about empty scholarships.

[bobcat402]

In Doc's situation, he was signing guys in November who were marginal/didn't work out.

 

I agree you don't just take a 4-year player just to add a body.  Not even a two-year player.  But you cannot tell me that there were no 2-year players when Miles arrived who couldn't have helped us at least as much as Vooch, Menke and Peltz did in the first two years under Miles.  We've basically had two scholarships languishing virtually unused during that time:  one for Vooch and another for a walk-on.

 

I guess Vooch is an example of a kid we took a reach on in order to fill a spot, so that kind of argues against what I was just saying before about leaving them empty.  Hmmm.  Now I'm not sure how I feel. 

 

It's Friday afternoon.  Maybe it's time to start drinkin' and just forget about empty scholarships.

exactly...there is a kid in Dwight Smith, that if Cornish says no on Tuesday that im pretty sure if Miles calls him Tuesday night, that he would accept and we have one sport filled by a guy with senior leadership and some outside shooting, Than we continue to mine through the fields of leftover talent for the last spot, and maybe snap a transfer who has to sit out, or something similar. 

 

(Full Disclosure: Im not Dwight Smith, i just feel rather that having him on the team would be better than just not using a scholarship)

[Navin R. Johnson]

"It's Friday afternoon.  Maybe it's time to start drinkin' and just forget about empty scholarships."

 

Best post of the week!