How will the crowd respond to Mike Gessell?

[Silverbacked1]

After watching Woodbury, I'm not that sad he didn't come here.

 

Now saying that I know we need big bodies, kind of a local kid, will get better, but...

 

His line was not great against us and I thought it would be. 

 

Not saying that I would be upset if he was here, just saying not loosing any sleep either.

[kldm64]

 

i sat right behind mikes family at the game had a nice chat with them at half time mike really wnated to come to nebraska but got turned off an his offical visit by doc he said all doc kept telling him was nebraska was a football school

 

I can't blame him as I wouldn't wanted to play for Doc either.  Can you image if we would have hired Miles a year earlier like many people wanted and he was able to land Gessell and Woodbury.  That might have helped our chances to land Agau as well.  Still might have not gotten him but couldn't have hurt.  I'm so glad T.O. finally pulled the trigger on Doc but it was a year to late in my book.

Hindsight's 20/20, KLDM.  It's easy to say now that you wish we would have hired Miles last year but that would not have happened for any number of reasons.  First of all, we would have had to fire Doc after a season where he took a still-young team to the NIT.  We had a lot of our best players coming back from that NIT team.  And you're going to fire the coach?  Really?

 

Second, if we'd had an opening for whatever reason a year earlier than we did, Tim Miles wouldn't have gotten the job.  Wouldn't even have gotten a sniff.  You know what Tim Miles and Doc Sadler had in common two years ago?  They both had teams lose in the first round of the NIT.  So, what you are proposing, KLDM, is that we would have fired one coach whose team just lost in the first round of the NIT and replaced him with another coach whose team just lost in the first round of the NIT. No way that happens. No way.

 

And if Osborne would have hired a guy whose team just lost in the NIT first round, you would have been one of the loudest complainers.  You would have been bitching that we didn't go after a "name" guy like a Tubby Smith or a Kevin O'Neill.  Hell, there were plenty of skeptics of the Miles hire a year later after his team went to the dance.  I'm glad that Tim Miles is our coach but there's simply no way he would have become our coach a year earlier than he did. 

 

I also have to question what waverlydude posted about Doc's visit with Gesell.  Waverlydude, that may very well have been what the Gesell family told you.  And it might have been sorta what was said.  But I'm sure that what they told you leaves out a lot of context.  I'd heard Doc say things like how he would try to leverage Nebraska's name recognition in football to build a hoops program.  You make it sound like Doc was using "football school" as some sort of excuse for lack of success.  I don't buy it.  I really don't believe that's what Doc would have meant.

 

WOW!!!  You just know everything Norm.  I'd be the one of the people bitching (as you so noted) if a certain senerio happened.  I'm not saying we would have hired Miles a year earlier as it was a hypothitcal situation just like you and many other people do on this board.  It's a "what if" situation!!!  Just like you do many, many times with Sheldon Jeter as "what if" we could have gotten him.  I like how it's OK for you to classify me as one of the loudest complainers,  but seems like anything you post is just fine and dandy.  I know we totally disagree on Doc as you think very highly of him and I was a huge fan of his in the beginning as well but after a few years of watching him coach and recruit, it became obvious to me that he wasn't the guy to take us to the promised land (just my opinion).  You might be happy with NIT bids but I'd like to see more.  I'm very happy how things have worked out and love Miles as our coach.

[Daledangdarn]

I think there is a sentiment among some people that it is totally unjustified to be critical of Doc.  He is a great guy and tried his hardest here but it just did not work out.  As it turns out people like nustudent and others were right, we should have fired Doc before we did, our ceiling with him was the NIT. 

 

Regardless, probably a stupid thing to argue about.  The future is with Miles, and the future looks good.

[49r]

IMO, it wasn't the criticism of Doc that most supporters had a problem with.  I have no doubt that I along with the other ardent Doc supporters around here were watching with raised eyebrows the lack of progress in the program during the last few years.

 

The biggest issue was the really unnecessary criticism of the contract extension and pay raise that so many had seemingly huge issues with.  To them it looked like a waste of money.  To others, like myself, it was seen for what it was...an attempt to align the head coaching position at Nebraska more competitively (contract-wise) with our peers, as an overall project to upgrade the basketball program.  Which, along with the facilities and now with coach Miles, I believe has shown some early signs of promise.

 

Doc was more or less just a scapegoat for over a decade of frustration, and whether it was deserved or not is subject to debate if you ask me.  Others aren't as willing to accede to that notion.

[kldm64]

I think there is a sentiment among some people that it is totally unjustified to be critical of Doc.  He is a great guy and tried his hardest here but it just did not work out.  As it turns out people like nustudent and others were right, we should have fired Doc before we did, our ceiling with him was the NIT. 

 

Regardless, probably a stupid thing to argue about.  The future is with Miles, and the future looks good.

 

Totally agree.  Things worked out and most people seem happy with Miles and job he has done. 

[Norm Peterson]

For the record, KLDM, I'm OK with hypotheticals.  But the one you proposed is preposterous.  It simply would NOT have happened.  I bring up Sheldon Jeter occassionally because I've never heard a good answer as to why we didn't recruit the kid.  It's not hypothetical.  It's fact.  The kid is doing well at Vandy.  He was clearly good enough.  And we had his cousin, so we had a connection.

[kldm64]

For the record, KLDM, I'm OK with hypotheticals.  But the one you proposed is preposterous.  It simply would NOT have happened.  I bring up Sheldon Jeter occassionally because I've never heard a good answer as to why we didn't recruit the kid.  It's not hypothetical.  It's fact.  The kid is doing well at Vandy.  He was clearly good enough.  And we had his cousin, so we had a connection.

 

This is my quote:

I can't blame him as I wouldn't wanted to play for Doc either.  Can you image if we would have hired Miles a year earlier like many people wanted and he was able to land Gessell and Woodbury.  That might have helped our chances to land Agau as well.  Still might have not gotten him but couldn't have hurt.  I'm so glad T.O. finally pulled the trigger on Doc but it was a year to late in my book.

 

 

This is hypothetical as know I know if Doc was let go a year earlier, we wouldn't have hired or even interviewed Miles.  I just used Miles in my post since he is the current head coach but you could plug in any other coach that might have been hired at that time.  It was just a "what if" senerio as to how things would look now if we had been able to get Gessell since Doc couldn't land him (whoever was the head coach at the time).

[Norm Peterson]

OK, KLDM, thanks for the clarification.  The way I read your post was that you wanted Miles a year sooner.  Obviously, THAT wouldn't have happened.  But I see you're just going back to your view that we should have fired Doc a year sooner, and we can debate that view as well but we did plenty of debating on that at the time and there's no sense re-plowing old ground, right?  You thought we should have fired him after 2011; I didn't think it was the right move until 2012.  I'm not sure it would have made a difference as far as getting Gesell.  The new coach still wouldn't have had a year under his belt to prove what he could do or to establish relationships.  So, Gesell probably goes to Iowa anyway just like Agau went to Louisville.

 

If the recruiting process for either of those players were taking place now instead of when they happened, I'd say we'd have a better chance with both.  I don't think there's any question that since Miles was hired, he's generated basically nothing but positive energy outside the program.  I think we stand a much better chance in recruiting today than we did back in the fall.  And that's important heading into the next signing periods.  Both the one in May and, more importantly, the one in November.*

 

*  More important depending on how many spots we have to offer at that time.

[PimpMario]

I am glad he left Nebraska with a L.  I hope he never gets one in the state of Nebraska.

[waverlydude]

i agree i feel the same way i hope he never has a win against us period

[Norm Peterson]

i agree i feel the same way i hope he never has a win against us period

On that I think we're unanimous.

[cipsucks]

I am glad he left Nebraska with a L.  I hope he never gets one in the state of Nebraska.

One or two in the noncon would be alright....

[Norm Peterson]

Cip, you're talking about the Hawks puttin' a hurtin' on the Jays? 

 

Well, you know Hawks.  They have those talons.  And beaks built for ripping flesh.  Jays do what?  Eat sunflower seeds?

[TourneyBound]

OK, KLDM, thanks for the clarification. The way I read your post was that you wanted Miles a year sooner. Obviously, THAT wouldn't have happened. But I see you're just going back to your view that we should have fired Doc a year sooner, and we can debate that view as well but we did plenty of debating on that at the time and there's no sense re-plowing old ground, right? You thought we should have fired him after 2011; I didn't think it was the right move until 2012. I'm not sure it would have made a difference as far as getting Gesell. The new coach still wouldn't have had a year under his belt to prove what he could do or to establish relationships. So, Gesell probably goes to Iowa anyway just like Agau went to Louisville.

If the recruiting process for either of those players were taking place now instead of when they happened, I'd say we'd have a better chance with both. I don't think there's any question that since Miles was hired, he's generated basically nothing but positive energy outside the program. I think we stand a much better chance in recruiting today than we did back in the fall. And that's important heading into the next signing periods. Both the one in May and, more importantly, the one in November.*

* More important depending on how many spots we have to offer at that time.

I'm starting to wonder how much effort and what Doc was doing at recruiting in the end??? I mean he is a coach and yet it seems like we know more about recruiting and who to go after than he ever did!! Maybe Jeter had no interest in coming here but I kind of doubt that!! It just sucks because u look at the roster and wonder where is the talent?? He missed on a lot of guys and had a lot of decent players leave also!! Hard to ne consistent with as much roster turnover as he had!! He really left the cupboard bare for Miles!!

[hhcmatt]

I'm starting to wonder how much effort and what Doc was doing at recruiting in the end??? I mean he is a coach and yet it seems like we know more about recruiting and who to go after than he ever did!! Maybe Jeter had no interest in coming here but I kind of doubt that!! It just sucks because u look at the roster and wonder where is the talent?? He missed on a lot of guys and had a lot of decent players leave also!! Hard to ne consistent with as much roster turnover as he had!! He really left the cupboard bare for Miles!!

He had five guys slated to come in.

We probably had a good shot at the NIT with that roster though that was the problem.

[Creighton Fan]

Cip, you're talking about the Hawks puttin' a hurtin' on the Jays? 

 

Well, you know Hawks.  They have those talons.  And beaks built for ripping flesh.  Jays do what?  Eat sunflower seeds?

I must have missed when it was announced that Iowa was added to the Jays' future schedules. 

[cipsucks]

Creighton gets a couple wins and their fans start posting here again.  Too bad they don't have the intestinal fortitude to show up when things aren't going so well.

[Creighton Fan]

I don't think it takes intestinal fortitude to post on a message board - just a PC, internet connection and a little boredom. 

 

Sounds like instead of Iowa, Creighton will be seeing Georgetown, Marquette, Villanova, Xavier and Butler regularly. 

[trickey]

I don't think it takes intestinal fortitude to post on a message board - just a PC, internet connection and a little boredom. 

 

Sounds like instead of Iowa, Creighton will be seeing Georgetown, Marquette, Villanova, Xavier and Butler regularly. 

If Creighton is seeing Georgetown, Marquette, Villanova, Xavier and Butler regularly...it will be because they develop an obsession for watching the Big East channel before they play their Mo Valley games.

[Creighton Fan]

I don't think it takes intestinal fortitude to post on a message board - just a PC, internet connection and a little boredom. 

 

Sounds like instead of Iowa, Creighton will be seeing Georgetown, Marquette, Villanova, Xavier and Butler regularly. 

If Creighton is seeing Georgetown, Marquette, Villanova, Xavier and Butler regularly...it will be because they develop an obsession for watching the Big East channel before they play their Mo Valley games.

 

 

You might want to check out ESPN.com.

 

 

Edited March 1, 2013 by Creighton Fan

[bball23]

 

I don't think it takes intestinal fortitude to post on a message board - just a PC, internet connection and a little boredom. 

 

Sounds like instead of Iowa, Creighton will be seeing Georgetown, Marquette, Villanova, Xavier and Butler regularly. 

If Creighton is seeing Georgetown, Marquette, Villanova, Xavier and Butler regularly...it will be because they develop an obsession for watching the Big East channel before they play their Mo Valley games.

 

 

You might want to check out ESPN.com.

And good luck with that.  Right now you are the "cream of the crop" in the Valley and have advantages over almost every team.  IF (and I HOPE) you go to the Big East (Catholic 7) you will no longer have those advantages over everybody else and won't be racking up the wins on a regular basis.  You can think it will help recruiting, which it will to a degree, but you will have a much, much tougher time competing in that league and I for one can't wait for it to happen.

[49r]

Take it to the Crieghton room, fellas...

 

http://board.huskerhoopscentral.com/topic/710-ot-creighton-contacted-by-the-seven-catholic-schools-leaving-the-big-east/page-2

[Creighton Fan]

 

 

I don't think it takes intestinal fortitude to post on a message board - just a PC, internet connection and a little boredom. 

 

Sounds like instead of Iowa, Creighton will be seeing Georgetown, Marquette, Villanova, Xavier and Butler regularly. 

If Creighton is seeing Georgetown, Marquette, Villanova, Xavier and Butler regularly...it will be because they develop an obsession for watching the Big East channel before they play their Mo Valley games.

 

 

You might want to check out ESPN.com.

And good luck with that.  Right now you are the "cream of the crop" in the Valley and have advantages over almost every team.  IF (and I HOPE) you go to the Big East (Catholic 7) you will no longer have those advantages over everybody else and won't be racking up the wins on a regular basis.  You can think it will help recruiting, which it will to a degree, but you will have a much, much tougher time competing in that league and I for one can't wait for it to happen.

I agree that it will be harder to rack up wins, but that is a large part of the appeal.  We want to play better teams and are excited about the challenge.

 

While wins will be harder to come by, we also won't have to finish first or second in the conference every year just to make the dance.

 

It helps the school on many other levels as well.  Increased national exposure will allow for increased undergrad enrollment and an even better caliber of student.  More games on TV.  Recruiting should certainly improve.  Non-con scheduling opportunities should improve.  Revenues will be up by an unfathomable percentage. 

[Huskerpapa]

What the hell happened to this thread and the original topic...good lord. 

[Silverbacked1]

Don't you know cwg this is a message board and we are all aloud to express ourselves, don't stifle us man.

 

Other wise we would be just taking about uniforms.