So Now Who?

[HuskerCager]

 

 

Why do we HAVE to take someone just to take someone though?  Theres no major players currently in the fold for NU so it would be plan c-d guys that we could still get in April.  

 

I agree.  In fact, I I'd rather we don't sign anyone in the spring either if it isn't an upgrade to the current roster.  Having said that, I think if we end up signing Hammond only this fall it's a disappointment - not a surprise.

It feels like the staff Miles has assembled is much better than Sadler's recruiting-wise, but IMO, the results so far are only marginally better.

[throwback]

It's always possible we pick up another transfer like Pitchford at the end of the year. We don't graduate any of our post players and we add Hammond, so it wouldn't be the end of the world if we added another quality transfer who has to sit out a year.

This is a good thought - what are the chances we may have a December transfer waiting who would take scholarship #2? And then maybe another 1 or 2 in the spring if/when there's roster turnover?

[HuskerPower #nato73]

Why do we HAVE to take someone just to take someone though?  Theres no major players currently in the fold for NU so it would be plan c-d guys that we could still get in April.

I agree.  In fact, I I'd rather we don't sign anyone in the spring either if it isn't an upgrade to the current roster.  Having said that, I think if we end up signing Hammond only this fall it's a disappointment - not a surprise.

It feels like the staff Miles has assembled is much better than Sadler's recruiting-wise, but IMO, the results so far are only marginally better.

Huh?

[TheKamdyMan]

 

 

 

Why do we HAVE to take someone just to take someone though?  Theres no major players currently in the fold for NU so it would be plan c-d guys that we could still get in April.  

 

I agree.  In fact, I I'd rather we don't sign anyone in the spring either if it isn't an upgrade to the current roster.  Having said that, I think if we end up signing Hammond only this fall it's a disappointment - not a surprise.

It feels like the staff Miles has assembled is much better than Sadler's recruiting-wise, but IMO, the results so far are only marginally better.

 

 

The bold scares me though.  Husker fans crap on Bo for not signing all his available spots.  If TM did this two years in a row it would be a shame and a disappointment to squander a scholarship thats available for two straight years for a program that needs capable bodies asap.  I understand you want good players but at the same time if you keep whiffing on players and holding over you wont have a roster left in a few years.  we are only hurting ourselves.

[hhcmatt]

 

 

 

 

Why do we HAVE to take someone just to take someone though?  Theres no major players currently in the fold for NU so it would be plan c-d guys that we could still get in April.  

 

I agree.  In fact, I I'd rather we don't sign anyone in the spring either if it isn't an upgrade to the current roster.  Having said that, I think if we end up signing Hammond only this fall it's a disappointment - not a surprise.

It feels like the staff Miles has assembled is much better than Sadler's recruiting-wise, but IMO, the results so far are only marginally better.

 

 

The bold scares me though.  Husker fans crap on Bo for not signing all his available spots.  If TM did this two years in a row it would be a shame and a disappointment to squander a scholarship thats available for two straight years for a program that needs capable bodies asap.  I understand you want good players but at the same time if you keep whiffing on players and holding over you wont have a roster left in a few years.  we are only hurting ourselves.

 

 

Not filling a schollie two years in a row = JUCO guy we could have had on the team.

About the only silver lining is we can for sure raise our APR with the grade point averages of guys who are walkons.

[Norm Peterson]

 

 

 

Why do we HAVE to take someone just to take someone though?  Theres no major players currently in the fold for NU so it would be plan c-d guys that we could still get in April.  

 

I agree.  In fact, I I'd rather we don't sign anyone in the spring either if it isn't an upgrade to the current roster.  Having said that, I think if we end up signing Hammond only this fall it's a disappointment - not a surprise.

It feels like the staff Miles has assembled is much better than Sadler's recruiting-wise, but IMO, the results so far are only marginally better.

 

I have to disagree.  First, getting our name in front of a big-time recruit is progress.  It is a result in the sense that you can't whiff on a player like that if you're not involved with him in the first place.  Collier and Doc didn't get us involved with guys like Elbert Robinson so that we'd even have an opportunity to miss on them.  So, getting visits from top shelf recruits is a victory in itself.  It is a result.  It's not a new player on the roster but it's measurable and identifiable.  And we're getting listed with more big-time recruits under Miles than we ever got under the prior two coaches.  It's like the old Publisher's Clearinghouse slogan, "You can't win if you don't enter."  Before, we weren't entering.  Now, we're at least in the game, and I call that a result.

 

Second thing is that I went to the scrimmage and, while it's not a long view of them and only a snapshot, I still came away with the very strong view that these new kids represent a clear improvement in the talent level of the program.  I think Miles' ability to identify quality players who might have slid under the radar is better than Doc's or Collier's.  He didn't have much time to get involved with Leslee Smith, and Smith sure didn't have a long list of suitors, but look at the dude that we got.  He ain't bad.  In fact, he's pretty good.  Though he's not as highly "ranked" as Andre Almeida was, I'll bet he'll be a whole lot more productive.  He's a better athlete than Andre and I think he's as skilled.  And the trio of freshmen were impressive.  I think this group of players is one of the better classes of recruits that we've had since the beginning of the Danny Nee era.  A few Nee classes were better but I don't think we've had a better class since Nee left.  This might be the best class we've had in 15 years.

 

So, permit me to disagree.  I think the results are there.  I would have liked to have won this battle but I would rather have lost Elbert and been in contention than not have been in contention at all.

[hhcmatt]

Whoa, Nellie!

We lost a four star recruit to an SEC team. Not the end of the world.

 

Yeah, this blew...we we're real close on a real fit for our team.

Would a guy like this even consider us in the previous 10 years to this?  We're moving up in terms of the prospects we're recruiting and that are seriously considering us.  As was stated earlier, we're in a much better position to land a three star athlete this year, which is also better than years past.  We're also going to be in play for some 4 star guys in 2015.

 

We're trending up.  Hopefully we can find a real gem with the last schollie and start building towards 2015.

[ajb5856]

Why do we HAVE to take someone just to take someone though? Theres no major players currently in the fold for NU so it would be plan c-d guys that we could still get in April.

I agree. In fact, I I'd rather we don't sign anyone in the spring either if it isn't an upgrade to the current roster. Having said that, I think if we end up signing Hammond only this fall it's a disappointment - not a surprise.

It feels like the staff Miles has assembled is much better than Sadler's recruiting-wise, but IMO,

the results so far are only marginally better.

I have to disagree. First, getting our name in front of a big-time recruit is progress. It is a result in the sense that you can't whiff on a player like that if you're not involved with him in the first place. Collier and Doc didn't get us involved with guys like Elbert Robinson so that we'd even have an opportunity to miss on them. So, getting visits from top shelf recruits is a victory in itself. It is a result. It's not a new player on the roster but it's measurable and identifiable. And we're getting listed with more big-time recruits under Miles than we ever got under the prior two coaches. It's like the old Publisher's Clearinghouse slogan, "You can't win if you don't enter." Before, we weren't entering. Now, we're at least in the game, and I call that a result.

Second thing is that I went to the scrimmage and, while it's not a long view of them and only a snapshot, I still came away with the very strong view that these new kids represent a clear improvement in the talent level of the program. I think Miles' ability to identify quality players who might have slid under the radar is better than Doc's or Collier's. He didn't have much time to get involved with Leslee Smith, and Smith sure didn't have a long list of suitors, but look at the dude that we got. He ain't bad. In fact, he's pretty good. Though he's not as highly "ranked" as Andre Almeida was, I'll bet he'll be a whole lot more productive. He's a better athlete than Andre and I think he's as skilled. And the trio of freshmen were impressive. I think this group of players is one of the better classes of recruits that we've had since the beginning of the Danny Nee era. A few Nee classes were better but I don't think we've had a better class since Nee left. This might be the best class we've had in 15 years.

So, permit me to disagree. I think the results are there. I would have liked to have won this battle but I would rather have lost Elbert and been in contention than not have been in contention at all.

Don't forget about Miles' first class of Biggs, Petteway, and Pitchford. He brought those three into the fold on minimal time and that was an instant upgrade to the collection of players Doc had accumulated. Right there you get a side by side comparison of Docs recruits on the team last year and the three that Miles brought in on short time. The stories I heard, those three whipped up on Doc's guys in practice every day last season. And the comparison in athleticism isn't even close.

[HuskerCager]

 

 

 

Why do we HAVE to take someone just to take someone though? Theres no major players currently in the fold for NU so it would be plan c-d guys that we could still get in April.

I agree. In fact, I I'd rather we don't sign anyone in the spring either if it isn't an upgrade to the current roster. Having said that, I think if we end up signing Hammond only this fall it's a disappointment - not a surprise.

It feels like the staff Miles has assembled is much better than Sadler's recruiting-wise, but IMO,

the results so far are only marginally better.

I have to disagree. First, getting our name in front of a big-time recruit is progress. It is a result in the sense that you can't whiff on a player like that if you're not involved with him in the first place. Collier and Doc didn't get us involved with guys like Elbert Robinson so that we'd even have an opportunity to miss on them. So, getting visits from top shelf recruits is a victory in itself. It is a result. It's not a new player on the roster but it's measurable and identifiable. And we're getting listed with more big-time recruits under Miles than we ever got under the prior two coaches. It's like the old Publisher's Clearinghouse slogan, "You can't win if you don't enter." Before, we weren't entering. Now, we're at least in the game, and I call that a result.

Second thing is that I went to the scrimmage and, while it's not a long view of them and only a snapshot, I still came away with the very strong view that these new kids represent a clear improvement in the talent level of the program. I think Miles' ability to identify quality players who might have slid under the radar is better than Doc's or Collier's. He didn't have much time to get involved with Leslee Smith, and Smith sure didn't have a long list of suitors, but look at the dude that we got. He ain't bad. In fact, he's pretty good. Though he's not as highly "ranked" as Andre Almeida was, I'll bet he'll be a whole lot more productive. He's a better athlete than Andre and I think he's as skilled. And the trio of freshmen were impressive. I think this group of players is one of the better classes of recruits that we've had since the beginning of the Danny Nee era. A few Nee classes were better but I don't think we've had a better class since Nee left. This might be the best class we've had in 15 years.

So, permit me to disagree. I think the results are there. I would have liked to have won this battle but I would rather have lost Elbert and been in contention than not have been in contention at all.

Don't forget about Miles' first class of Biggs, Petteway, and Pitchford. He brought those three into the fold on minimal time and that was an instant upgrade to the collection of players Doc had accumulated. Right there you get a side by side comparison of Docs recruits on the team last year and the three that Miles brought in on short time. The stories I heard, those three whipped up on Doc's guys in practice every day last season. And the comparison in athleticism isn't even close.

 

None of us will know how good these guys are until they graduate.  I guess my expectation is this.  Let's say that we get to Petteway, Pitchford and Shields senior year and backfill pending openings on the roster with talent equal to what we have today.  I would say I would expect that team to be .500 in the Big Ten and an NIT team.

If these players you say are much better than Doc's recruits, then we ought to be in the NCAAs by their Sr. year even if we backfill with players of the talent level I mentioned above.  I just don't see these guys lifting our program to that level, but I sure hope you are right!

[hugh42]

Optimist meet Pessimist.  :-)

[HuskerCager]

Optimist meet Pessimist.  :-)

Not so much a pessimest, Hugh, just a little jaded after getting my hopes up a dozen times before over the last 40 years.  But I think you understand.

[NUdiehard]

Optimist meet Pessimist.  :-)

Some of us have been around long enough to remember all the optimist talking about how Collier was going to take us to the top, then it was Sadler who had finally righted the ship and "clearly was better than Collier" and so forth.  I could go back to Iba and Nee as well, but at least each of them at least made the NCAA and had decent years in conference, which apparently is the gold-standard around this long-suffering program. 

 

Sometimes it is just hard to be "optimistic" about NU Hoops if you have been following it for more than 30+ years (some on here go back even farther than that, God bless them!). We have been let down year, after year, after year . . . 

 

With that said, I think we are all excited about Miles, what he has done so far, and where we all think/hope this program is headed.  Personally, I love Miles and everything he is about and what he appears to bring to the table.  But there is always room for a little "realism" to mix in with the newbies who tend to go off the board with unbridled and almost limitless "optimism".  At some point, what we "hope" will happen (ie, win a game in the NCAA, land a top 20 recruit, etc) must ACTUALLY happen, or the hope begins to fade just like it has so many times before.

[hugh42]

 

Optimist meet Pessimist.  :-)

Not so much a pessimest, Hugh, just a little jaded after getting my hopes up a dozen times before over the last 40 years.  But I think you understand.

 

 

I do cager, I do.  

[hugh42]

 

Optimist meet Pessimist.  :-)

Some of us have been around long enough to remember all the optimist talking about how Collier was going to take us to the top, then it was Sadler who had finally righted the ship and "clearly was better than Collier" and so forth.  I could go back to Iba and Nee as well, but at least each of them at least made the NCAA and had decent years in conference, which apparently is the gold-standard around this long-suffering program. 

 

Sometimes it is just hard to be "optimistic" about NU Hoops if you have been following it for more than 30+ years (some on here go back even farther than that, God bless them!). We have been let down year, after year, after year . . . 

 

With that said, I think we are all excited about Miles, what he has done so far, and where we all think/hope this program is headed.  Personally, I love Miles and everything he is about and what he appears to bring to the table.  But there is always room for a little "realism" to mix in with the newbies who tend to go off the board with unbridled and almost limitless "optimism".  At some point, what we "hope" will happen (ie, win a game in the NCAA, land a top 20 recruit, etc) must ACTUALLY happen, or the hope begins to fade just like it has so many times before.

 

 

I've been following husker hoops since Iba (Cager even longer) and I've been participating in husker hoops discussion on message boards longer than most, so I'm well aware of the sunshine pumpers and dumpers.  I've been optimistic about husker basketball for as long as I have followed it, but I would be lying if I said that my hopes of the program achieving the level that was reached in the 90's under Nee (and hopefully beyond) haven't taken a hit after the Collier and Sadler years. In fact, apathy had begun to set in.  Miles has rejuvenated my enthusiasm.  Yes, I want to see results in recruiting and the W/L column, but it's fun to dream a little too.  Regarding unbridled optimism for husker basketball....I'm all for it.  

[HuskerPower #nato73]

The difference from all the other days of false hopes and now is the financial investment behind this push. It will yield an ROI.

[colhusker]

 

 

 

 

Why do we HAVE to take someone just to take someone though?  Theres no major players currently in the fold for NU so it would be plan c-d guys that we could still get in April.  

 

I agree.  In fact, I I'd rather we don't sign anyone in the spring either if it isn't an upgrade to the current roster.  Having said that, I think if we end up signing Hammond only this fall it's a disappointment - not a surprise.

It feels like the staff Miles has assembled is much better than Sadler's recruiting-wise, but IMO, the results so far are only marginally better.

 

I have to disagree.  First, getting our name in front of a big-time recruit is progress.  It is a result in the sense that you can't whiff on a player like that if you're not involved with him in the first place.  Collier and Doc didn't get us involved with guys like Elbert Robinson so that we'd even have an opportunity to miss on them.  So, getting visits from top shelf recruits is a victory in itself.  It is a result.  It's not a new player on the roster but it's measurable and identifiable.  And we're getting listed with more big-time recruits under Miles than we ever got under the prior two coaches.  It's like the old Publisher's Clearinghouse slogan, "You can't win if you don't enter."  Before, we weren't entering.  Now, we're at least in the game, and I call that a result.

 

Second thing is that I went to the scrimmage and, while it's not a long view of them and only a snapshot, I still came away with the very strong view that these new kids represent a clear improvement in the talent level of the program.  I think Miles' ability to identify quality players who might have slid under the radar is better than Doc's or Collier's.  He didn't have much time to get involved with Leslee Smith, and Smith sure didn't have a long list of suitors, but look at the dude that we got.  He ain't bad.  In fact, he's pretty good.  Though he's not as highly "ranked" as Andre Almeida was, I'll bet he'll be a whole lot more productive.  He's a better athlete than Andre and I think he's as skilled.  And the trio of freshmen were impressive.  I think this group of players is one of the better classes of recruits that we've had since the beginning of the Danny Nee era.  A few Nee classes were better but I don't think we've had a better class since Nee left.  This might be the best class we've had in 15 years.

 

So, permit me to disagree.  I think the results are there.  I would have liked to have won this battle but I would rather have lost Elbert and been in contention than not have been in contention at all.

 

Agree Norm and I will add it appears the kids on the roster are getting coached up a little too.  Look at how much David Rivers improved.

[Blackshirt83]

Any hope of getting Mitch Solomon to visit?

Heard he opened things up again a bit since he cut us last time out.

[hhcmatt]

The difference from all the other days of false hopes and now is the financial investment behind this push. It will yield an ROI.

 

Boom...Hammond is our first 150 player and while I'm sure there were a lot of other factors he just gushed about our facilities.

Couple this stuff with the program building, cult of personality that is Tim Miles and there is reason for that optimism 

[Norm Peterson]

Any hope of getting Mitch Solomon to visit?

Heard he opened things up again a bit since he cut us last time out.

I'd be OK with that.

[Silverbacked1]

Why do we HAVE to take someone just to take someone though? Theres no major players currently in the fold for NU so it would be plan c-d guys that we could still get in April.

I agree. In fact, I I'd rather we don't sign anyone in the spring either if it isn't an upgrade to the current roster. Having said that, I think if we end up signing Hammond only this fall it's a disappointment - not a surprise.

It feels like the staff Miles has assembled is much better than Sadler's recruiting-wise, but IMO,

the results so far are only marginally better.

I have to disagree. First, getting our name in front of a big-time recruit is progress. It is a result in the sense that you can't whiff on a player like that if you're not involved with him in the first place. Collier and Doc didn't get us involved with guys like Elbert Robinson so that we'd even have an opportunity to miss on them. So, getting visits from top shelf recruits is a victory in itself. It is a result. It's not a new player on the roster but it's measurable and identifiable. And we're getting listed with more big-time recruits under Miles than we ever got under the prior two coaches. It's like the old Publisher's Clearinghouse slogan, "You can't win if you don't enter." Before, we weren't entering. Now, we're at least in the game, and I call that a result.

Second thing is that I went to the scrimmage and, while it's not a long view of them and only a snapshot, I still came away with the very strong view that these new kids represent a clear improvement in the talent level of the program. I think Miles' ability to identify quality players who might have slid under the radar is better than Doc's or Collier's. He didn't have much time to get involved with Leslee Smith, and Smith sure didn't have a long list of suitors, but look at the dude that we got. He ain't bad. In fact, he's pretty good. Though he's not as highly "ranked" as Andre Almeida was, I'll bet he'll be a whole lot more productive. He's a better athlete than Andre and I think he's as skilled. And the trio of freshmen were impressive. I think this group of players is one of the better classes of recruits that we've had since the beginning of the Danny Nee era. A few Nee classes were better but I don't think we've had a better class since Nee left. This might be the best class we've had in 15 years.

So, permit me to disagree. I think the results are there. I would have liked to have won this battle but I would rather have lost Elbert and been in contention than not have been in contention at all.

Agree Norm and I will add it appears the kids on the roster are getting coached up a little too. Look at how much David Rivers improved.

Agree here that the coaching seems to be better. So even if some think the players coming in aren't much better, they will become better as they get older and work in this system.

[nebrasketball10]

Does anyone consider Pinder, Deng Deng or the new offer even a moderate upgrade in talent? I have not watched any film, just going by what I've read others post on them and their offer lists.

[HuskerPower #nato73]

Does anyone consider Pinder, Deng Deng or the new offer even a moderate upgrade in talent? I have not watched any film, just going by what I've read others post on them and their offer lists.

 

The video I saw of Pinder reminded me of Shavon.  Upside galore.  Athletic bloodlines and buildable frame.

 

The example I go back to is Alec Burks at Colorado.  Recruiting young guys with this type of upside eventually leads to a 3 star dude becoming an NBA talent.

[TheKamdyMan]

 

Does anyone consider Pinder, Deng Deng or the new offer even a moderate upgrade in talent? I have not watched any film, just going by what I've read others post on them and their offer lists.

 

The video I saw of Pinder reminded me of Shavon.  Upside galore.  Athletic bloodlines and buildable frame.

 

The example I go back to is Alec Burks at Colorado.  Recruiting young guys with this type of upside eventually leads to a 3 star dude becoming an NBA talent.

 

 

I wouldnt say they are NBA possibilities but they are athletic with good chances to be strong contributors in a talented conference.

[nebrasketball10]

Does anyone consider Pinder, Deng Deng or the new offer even a moderate upgrade in talent? I have not watched any film, just going by what I've read others post on them and their offer lists.

The video I saw of Pinder reminded me of Shavon. Upside galore. Athletic bloodlines and buildable frame.

The example I go back to is Alec Burks at Colorado. Recruiting young guys with this type of upside eventually leads to a 3 star dude becoming an NBA talent.

I wouldnt say they are NBA possibilities but they are athletic with good chances to be strong contributors in a talented conference.

And does anyone consider that an upgrade? Is Pinder an upgrade in recruit over a Toney McCray?

[FredsSlacks]

 

Any hope of getting Mitch Solomon to visit?

Heard he opened things up again a bit since he cut us last time out.

I'd be OK with that.

 

where did you hear he opened things up?