Should we use our last scholly?

[GATA]

Or should we hold out for better in 2014?

[trickey]

We make a hard run at a senior transfer...best of both worlds.

[TheKamdyMan]

personally I would use it.  You cant predict the future and holding a scholarship for a second season isnt smart.  I'd be going after a transfer or juco kid personally to get in and out sooner.

[uneblinstu]

If we can find a kid that makes the team better, we absolutely should use it.

[Cookie Belcher]

I've heard if you don't use it, you lose it.

[TheKamdyMan]

  On 4/9/2013 at 4:23 PM, Cookie Belcher said:

I've heard if you don't use it, you lose it.

 

[FredsSlacks]

I'd use the scholly. It would put us at a full roster with 13 scholly players with 1 spot open for 2014.

 

With 13 scholarship players, it is likely a couple players will transfer after this upcoming season. So it will even out and we will end up with 3 schollys for 2014.

[Nebrasketballer]

  On 4/9/2013 at 5:37 PM, TimSmiles said:

I'd use the scholly. It would put us at a full roster with 13 scholly players with 1 spot open for 2014.

 

With 13 scholarship players, it is likely a couple players will transfer after this upcoming season. So it will even out and we will end up with 3 schollys for 2014.

I agree with this. 

 

I think that best case is if you use the last scholarship on a grad transfer, then the spot opens up for the 2014 class.  Also, even if you sign another player that is not a grad transfer, there will be a player or two that do not get what they consider to be enough playing time, so they will transfer, which will also open up an additional spot or two for the 2014 class.

[Silverbacked1]

Please don't.

 

signed Steven and Wendy Menke

[nustudent]

You leave it open for the next signing class.

 

You make a run at any senior transfers that are eligibile immediately, so that way it would not effect the numbers in the next class..

 

Generally, I don't believe in holding back spots, but we are building a program.   There's no need to stretch now when we are still laying the foundation.   Save it and focus on recruiting for the next recruiting year.

[49r]

  On 4/9/2013 at 7:21 PM, nustudent said:

You leave it open for the next signing class.

 

You make a run at any senior transfers that are eligibile immediately, so that way it would not effect the numbers in the next class..

 

Generally, I don't believe in holding back spots, but we are building a program.   There's no need to stretch now when we are still laying the foundation.   Save it and focus on recruiting for the next recruiting year.

 

It's still a gamble...a gamble that the guy you're turning away this year isn't going to have as much of an impact than the one you're bringing in next year.  It's a gamble that leaving a hole on your roster isn't going to negatively affect your team's outcome this year more than any potential recruit for next year will help.

 

It's a strong assumption that we are automatically going to be in on high enough prospects for 2014 to make it worth it.

 

It's a strong assumption that players aren't going to transfer out after next year anyway.

 

So you'll have only one scholarship available for '14.  Big deal.  If you're to the point where you have 4* guys beating a path to your door in that class, well, guess what?  Somebody's gotta go, potential APR hit be damned.  But I'm willing to bet that won't be something we're gonna need to worry about, to be honest.

 

We need to have 13 scholarship guys this year.  I've gotta think if we would have had 5 more even MODERATELY serviceable guys on our bench this year (yeah I know three of them were sitting out as transfers) we'd be easily in the NIT this year.  Point is, often times sports are games of attrition.  You don't automatically put yourself at a disadvantage from the beginning just for some perceived advantage you could maybe gain somewhere down the road.  At least, that's the way I see it.

[atskooc]

  On 4/9/2013 at 7:21 PM, nustudent said:

You leave it open for the next signing class.

 

You make a run at any senior transfers that are eligibile immediately, so that way it would not effect the numbers in the next class..

 

Generally, I don't believe in holding back spots, but we are building a program.   There's no need to stretch now when we are still laying the foundation.   Save it and focus on recruiting for the next recruiting year.

I'm with you on this, dude.

 

After this class, we should fill all of our spots.  But since we're early in the rebuilding process we can afford to go with a light class.  After this year, self-imposed probation just won't fly.

[FredsSlacks]

we've already offered Sai Tummala, so Miles is in fact planning to use that scholly in some shape or form.

[Norm Peterson]

One of the things to keep in mind is that the more guys you have, the better your odds of finding that one guy who flew below the radar and is better than anyone thought.  So you see shooters like Nick Fuller and Sai Tummala and there might be discussion about whether either or both are very good shooters or will really be able to help.  Only one way to find out.  You might strike out on one and discover he isn't the player you thought.  But say there's a 50/50 chance that each is as good as you think/hope, and you have two of them.  Then, odds are pretty good that one of those guys is going to be the player you hoped for.

 

(The math guy is going to come along and correct my percentages.  Just know it.)

 

So, I say use it.  You generally wind up with enough attrition that it's not an issue.

[hskr4life]

You take a player with this class.  If it is someone the coaching staff wants, we pick him up now.  We have held it back a year already, and another year will do us no good.  Only reason you would hold it back is if you already had multiple big time guys already committed for next year.  WE DONT

[Vinny]

  On 4/9/2013 at 9:07 PM, hskr4life said:

You take a player with this class.  If it is someone the coaching staff wants, we pick him up now.  We have held it back a year already, and another year will do us no good.  Only reason you would hold it back is if you already had multiple big time guys already committed for next year.  WE DONT

How did we hold it back a year? 2012 - Biggs, Petteway, Pitchford, Parker, Vucetic, Shields &  2013 - Hawkins, Webster, Fuller, Smith, possibly one more here.  So which year did we hold it back?

[nustudent]

  On 4/9/2013 at 7:33 PM, 49r said:

  On 4/9/2013 at 7:21 PM, nustudent said:

You leave it open for the next signing class.

 

You make a run at any senior transfers that are eligibile immediately, so that way it would not effect the numbers in the next class..

 

Generally, I don't believe in holding back spots, but we are building a program.   There's no need to stretch now when we are still laying the foundation.   Save it and focus on recruiting for the next recruiting year.

 

It's still a gamble...a gamble that the guy you're turning away this year isn't going to have as much of an impact than the one you're bringing in next year.  It's a gamble that leaving a hole on your roster isn't going to negatively affect your team's outcome this year more than any potential recruit for next year will help.

 

It's a strong assumption that we are automatically going to be in on high enough prospects for 2014 to make it worth it.

 

It's a strong assumption that players aren't going to transfer out after next year anyway.

 

So you'll have only one scholarship available for '14.  Big deal.  If you're to the point where you have 4* guys beating a path to your door in that class, well, guess what?  Somebody's gotta go, potential APR hit be damned.  But I'm willing to bet that won't be something we're gonna need to worry about, to be honest.

 

We need to have 13 scholarship guys this year.  I've gotta think if we would have had 5 more even MODERATELY serviceable guys on our bench this year (yeah I know three of them were sitting out as transfers) we'd be easily in the NIT this year.  Point is, often times sports are games of attrition.  You don't automatically put yourself at a disadvantage from the beginning just for some perceived advantage you could maybe gain somewhere down the road.  At least, that's the way I see it.

I'd agree with you if this was 2015.

 

Miles is still building his program and he's shown thus far he can be a solid recruiter and he's done that while only here 1 year.   IYAM, his target all along was the 2014 class with all the early visitors.   I think we stand a better chance to land someone of quality in that class that he's had two years to prepare and build relationships with over someone late in the game in this class that he's had a year to prepare for.

 

It's a gamble to leave yourself short.   As I said if it was 2015, I'd be right there with you.   But this is still the early phase of this rebuilding project.   Let's see Miles build it the right way as opposed to his predecessors

 

If we had 5 more players...maybe that would've made a difference.   Those players weren't on the roster though.   And Miles can't change NCAA rules to make WP and TP eligible.

 

You say you don't want to put yourself at a disadvantage for the possible future advantages.   Getting desperate and taking the wrong player late can in fact put you at a disadvantage though.

 

We've been bad long enough.  We don't need to get desperate and take a guy just because right now.   For the time being...I believe in Miles ability to recruit.

[Norm Peterson]

  On 4/9/2013 at 9:24 PM, Vinny said:

  On 4/9/2013 at 9:07 PM, hskr4life said:

You take a player with this class.  If it is someone the coaching staff wants, we pick him up now.  We have held it back a year already, and another year will do us no good.  Only reason you would hold it back is if you already had multiple big time guys already committed for next year.  WE DONT

How did we hold it back a year? 2012 - Biggs, Petteway, Pitchford, Parker, Vucetic, Shields &  2013 - Hawkins, Webster, Fuller, Smith, possibly one more here.  So which year did we hold it back?

We held it back the year we gave Menke a scholarship.

[hskr4life]

  On 4/9/2013 at 9:51 PM, Norm Peterson said:

  On 4/9/2013 at 9:24 PM, Vinny said:

 

  On 4/9/2013 at 9:07 PM, hskr4life said:

You take a player with this class.  If it is someone the coaching staff wants, we pick him up now.  We have held it back a year already, and another year will do us no good.  Only reason you would hold it back is if you already had multiple big time guys already committed for next year.  WE DONT

How did we hold it back a year? 2012 - Biggs, Petteway, Pitchford, Parker, Vucetic, Shields &  2013 - Hawkins, Webster, Fuller, Smith, possibly one more here.  So which year did we hold it back?

We held it back the year we gave Menke a scholarship.

 

Beat me to it.

[Vinny]

  On 4/9/2013 at 10:03 PM, hskr4life said:

  On 4/9/2013 at 9:51 PM, Norm Peterson said:

 

  On 4/9/2013 at 9:24 PM, Vinny said:

 

  On 4/9/2013 at 9:07 PM, hskr4life said:

You take a player with this class.  If it is someone the coaching staff wants, we pick him up now.  We have held it back a year already, and another year will do us no good.  Only reason you would hold it back is if you already had multiple big time guys already committed for next year.  WE DONT

How did we hold it back a year? 2012 - Biggs, Petteway, Pitchford, Parker, Vucetic, Shields &  2013 - Hawkins, Webster, Fuller, Smith, possibly one more here.  So which year did we hold it back?

We held it back the year we gave Menke a scholarship.

 

Beat me to it.

Ah, I see.  Bit of misinterpretation on my part, I was thinking of "holding back" in general and not just that one scholly.  So I didn't understand how 10 schollys in 2 years was holding them back for later.  Now I get it.  I'd be fine with using it this year if it's on Sai because I think he'll be a contributor, or on a one year transfer so it opens back up to help balance the classes.