Build the starting lineup/minute distribution for 2016

[kleitus]

One thing about his development that should be stated that will seriously help versus a couple of our freshman from last year.

 

His development will be natural.  he won't have 4 other guys around him playing out of position in order to compensate.

 

Throw him out there with morrow or jacobsen at the 4 (pick one, i think both will flourish just being in their proper position).  Watch morrow go 10/10 and jacobsen put up stretch 4 numbers.  maybe both in the same game.

 

Will there be some ugly games?  Of course.

 

But by the end of the year, i honestly feel this team should be pretty solid.  And we should be better next year (with all due respect to AW III who is a heck of a player who I hope and pray comes back).  

 

note :  this is without a grad transfer.  if we get one of those who can play this coming year could be pretty darn fun.

[Bugeaters1]

According to most, Fuller wont see the court... Not sure if I buy that.

 

Here is how I see it:

Game 1

1- Watson/Gill

2. Webster/Gill/Roby

3. White/ McVeigh/Roby

4. Morrow/Fuller/Horne

5. Jacobson/Jordy

 

B1G Ten opener

1- Watson/Webster

2- Gill/Webster

3- White/Roby/McVeigh

4- Morrow/Horne/Fuller

5- Jordy/Jacobson/Morrow

 

NCAA Tourney Game 1

1- Watson/Webster

2-Gill/Roby

3-White/McVeigh

4-Morrow/Horne

5- Jordy/Jacobson

What about game two in the tourney?

[basketballjones]

 

Just my opinion, and I'm still excited about his potential - but those of you who have Jordy starting day one concern me...

From the film I've watched, he's got the capabilities and tools - but he's got A LOT of work to do before I'm ready to say he's a better option at the 5 and bumping someone else off the spot or to change the lineup.

Que the feverish attacks. It's Monday, I can handle it.

 

Shhh...it's going to be at least 6 months until everyone realizes that big raw post players take time to develop.

I'm looking at Hammond's 10.2 minutes per game along with 2.2 pts, 2.8 rebounds, and .6 blocks last season as obtainable and perhaps the floor on JT's freshman year.

 

Yep. And, quite frankly, Hammond's recruitment tapes were, at minimum, equal, and in some regards better in certain aspects. He looked a little more athletically ready, at least. 

 

But, major but here, I think Jordy's ceiling is much higher. As he has not played much basketball, and shows some quality touch to go with some great measurables. I think the jump he could make is significantly higher than Hammond's. It's also exciting to think what the weight room could do with this kid.  

[Silverbacked1]

Guys remember Glenn didn't start out with big numbers but got more as the year went on.

[royalfan]

I think we will play smaller more often than people seem to think. Will see our wings playing the 4 a little more, especially if White is back.  It allows us to get more of our talent on the court a little more often IMO. 

[basketballjones]

especially if White is back.

The question that is haunting us.... 

All hinges on this. 

[49r]

 

especially if White is back.

The question that is haunting us.... 

All hinges on this. 

 

 

That seems just a tad fatalistic to me.

 

But that's just me.

[AuroranHusker]

 

 

especially if White is back.

The question that is haunting us.... 

All hinges on this. 

 

 

That seems just a tad fatalistic to me.

 

But that's just me.

 

 

Whoa, doesn't 'haunting' appear to be somewhat cryptic?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[basketballjones]

 

 

especially if White is back.

The question that is haunting us.... 

All hinges on this. 

 

 

That seems just a tad fatalistic to me.

 

But that's just me.

 

Speaking about next year only (considering it's all he has left anyways), it's not difficult for me to say that we could be really good if AWIII comes back. And we'll see more of the same if he doesn't. Again, for next year at least. 

 

Future is bright, regardless. Assuming everyone stays. 

[Donkey]

 

especially if White is back.

The question that is haunting us.... 

All hinges on this. 

 

 

We still have one more scholarship to fill and Miles is not done.  Need to see if there is a grad transfer out there who can play ~10-15 minutes a game at the 5.  

[Huskerpapa]

I have no clue what our line up will look like right now.  Goodness, we have the talent.  Likely the best talent since the very early 2000's.  We have a lot of guys pushing each other for valuable minutes.

[Norm Peterson]

Just my opinion, and I'm still excited about his potential - but those of you who have Jordy starting day one concern me...

From the film I've watched, he's got the capabilities and tools - but he's got A LOT of work to do before I'm ready to say he's a better option at the 5 and bumping someone else off the spot or to change the lineup.

Que the feverish attacks. It's Monday, I can handle it.

Shhh...it's going to be at least 6 months until everyone realizes that big raw post players take time to develop.

I'm looking at Hammond's 10.2 minutes per game along with 2.2 pts, 2.8 rebounds, and .6 blocks last season as obtainable and perhaps the floor on JT's freshman year.

Yep. And, quite frankly, Hammond's recruitment tapes were, at minimum, equal, and in some regards better in certain aspects. He looked a little more athletically ready, at least.

But, major but here, I think Jordy's ceiling is much higher. As he has not played much basketball, and shows some quality touch to go with some great measurables. I think the jump he could make is significantly higher than Hammond's. It's also exciting to think what the weight room could do with this kid.

I beg to differ on Hammond's videos. I thought Jake looked a bit raw and really needed to add weight. In his high school film he looked a bit clumsy and uncoordinated. Pretty much what we saw from him here.

OTOH, Jordy looks a lot more physically developed and showed more skill. See if Dimes can find what he posted about Jake's free throw shooting after either his first exhibition or first game. In a word, ugly. Or scary. A word like that. Jordy is smooth. He can shoot and he has some decent post moves with soft touch around the rim. I never thought those things about Jake.

I think Jordy is a far better player at the same stage.

[hal9000]

I think we will play smaller more often than people seem to think. Will see our wings playing the 4 a little more, especially if White is back.  It allows us to get more of our talent on the court a little more often IMO. 

This is the big question in my mind.  This is going to be the first time Miles will have a true 5 that will see significant time on the court.  I think that's safe to say.  How will our offense look?  How different will it be from the previous years, if at all?  

 

I've been spending time watching some of the full games of the MacDuffie School posted online to see how Jordy looks in a real game, not just the highlights.  One of the things you notice (besides Jordy's exploits) is that the half court offense runs through him.  They work the ball around, he posts up, gets the entry pass and either kicks it back out or goes to work on his man.  

 

Perhaps jones and Dean Smith can weigh in, but I have a feeling royal is on to something.  When we had Pitchford and Smith, you rarely saw them on the court at the same time.  Smith typically subbed in for Pitchford.  Will we continue to see this?  Does Morrow or Jacobson only sub in for Tshimanga (or visa versa)?  Will we rarely see a true 5 and a true power forward on the floor at the same time?  Will it continue to be mostly wings and guards, with a lone big man in the middle?  

[Fullbacksympathy]

I'm expecting a 5pt, 5rb type stat line from Jordy this season, but that's not indicative of the different his body will make.

 

The presence of a true defensive big can shore up a lot of things:

 

--Opponent field goal % near the rim.

--Limiting opp. rebounds/second chance points

--Opponent 3pt % because he won't require a double team.  

 

And he's a way different prospect than Hammond for a couple of reasons.  First, he's dominating an excellent hs basketball league.  Second, he has D1 weight.  You don't just move 240lbs.  That's Patrick Ewing weight, and I imagine he'll be a solid 260+ before he's out of here.  Also, he's taller, and has a huge wingspan.  Count me as one is still disappointed we didn't hang on to Jake though.  

[Norm Peterson]

Just my opinion, and I'm still excited about his potential - but those of you who have Jordy starting day one concern me...

From the film I've watched, he's got the capabilities and tools - but he's got A LOT of work to do before I'm ready to say he's a better option at the 5 and bumping someone else off the spot or to change the lineup.

Que the feverish attacks. It's Monday, I can handle it.

 

Jonesie, you know I respect your basketball opinion greatly so this isn't an attack.  It's more of a question.  And the question is:  Do you really think it's all that far-fetched for a somewhat heralded true freshman center to beat out a fairly unheralded sophomore power forward who won the center job over a somewhat unheralded sophomore center a year ago?

 

In other words, Jacobson came in as a true freshman (who wasn't even a center) and beat out a sophomore center (who, granted, only played like 30 minutes the year before).  Who's to say that Jordy can't do the same thing?

 

Jordy certainly has a size advantage.  Significant size advantage.

 

We'll see, but I don't think it's too far-fetched.  It might be different if our returning starter was a 6"10" upper classman, but he's not.

[MandRHusker]

Just my opinion, and I'm still excited about his potential - but those of you who have Jordy starting day one concern me...

From the film I've watched, he's got the capabilities and tools - but he's got A LOT of work to do before I'm ready to say he's a better option at the 5 and bumping someone else off the spot or to change the lineup.

Que the feverish attacks. It's Monday, I can handle it.

 

Jonesie, you know I respect your basketball opinion greatly so this isn't an attack.  It's more of a question.  And the question is:  Do you really think it's all that far-fetched for a somewhat heralded true freshman center to beat out a fairly unheralded sophomore power forward who won the center job over a somewhat unheralded sophomore center a year ago?

 

In other words, Jacobson came in as a true freshman (who wasn't even a center) and beat out a sophomore center (who, granted, only played like 30 minutes the year before).  Who's to say that Jordy can't do the same thing?

 

Jordy certainly has a size advantage.  Significant size advantage.

 

We'll see, but I don't think it's too far-fetched.  It might be different if our returning starter was a 6"10" upper classman, but he's not.

You didn't ask me Norm but I will answer anyway. The issues I see with your question/answer is twofold:

1. You are comparing Jordy to a freshman Michael Jacobson. I fully expect MJ to weigh in the 230s this next season and to be noticeably stronger guarding bigs in the paint.

2. Playing at the D1 level is more than body size. It takes quickness, ball handling and a knowledge of the game I don't believe Jordy possess yet.

Somebody said to expect Jordy to be a sub for MJ with 5 & 5 numbers his first year. I buy into this projection.

[basketballjones]

Just my opinion, and I'm still excited about his potential - but those of you who have Jordy starting day one concern me...

From the film I've watched, he's got the capabilities and tools - but he's got A LOT of work to do before I'm ready to say he's a better option at the 5 and bumping someone else off the spot or to change the lineup.

Que the feverish attacks. It's Monday, I can handle it.

Jonesie, you know I respect your basketball opinion greatly so this isn't an attack. It's more of a question. And the question is: Do you really think it's all that far-fetched for a somewhat heralded true freshman center to beat out a fairly unheralded sophomore power forward who won the center job over a somewhat unheralded sophomore center a year ago?

In other words, Jacobson came in as a true freshman (who wasn't even a center) and beat out a sophomore center (who, granted, only played like 30 minutes the year before). Who's to say that Jordy can't do the same thing?

Jordy certainly has a size advantage. Significant size advantage.

We'll see, but I don't think it's too far-fetched. It might be different if our returning starter was a 6"10" upper classman, but he's not.

Fair argument, Norm - certainly possible. And without a doubt I'd LOOOOVE to be wrong (win win for me, I don't care about being wrong - hope I am).

I just think MJ was much, much more ready to play B1G D1 basketball than Jordy will be. From all aspects minus pure size.

Nonetheless - if Coach Miles can keep Watson, Morrow, McVeigh, Jacobsen, Roby, Horne, Gill, Palmer, and JT on the team, the 2017-2018 team could be one of the best Husker teams I've personally ever been old enough to appreciate.