Rivers and Parker - 57 minutes - zero points and 3 boards - Unbelievable!

[bkamler]

Got to be a record of futility in my opinion. I don't fault their effort but no team can win playing three against five on offense. Parker shot 67% from the field if air balls count.

Add in Pitchford and Shields and you have a combined 117 minutes of playing time that produced 15 points and 10 rebounds.

I love these guys but tonight was absolutely like watching the JV play the varsity. Gotta win out at home to be relavent at the end of the year.

[hskr4life]

Maybe a little overreaction here due to the loss, but maybe not.  Did not look like a "JV" team, but I will let ya think what you want.  Shields got into foul trouble tonight, and was a little limited.  Petteway went off tonight.  When he is hot, you feed the horse.  No reason for other guys to be chucking when Petteway was feeling it.  If Petteway is shooting worse, then we start running the offense a little and getting other guys looks.

 

Wisconsin was the better team tonight, that is really all that explains it.  We are a good team, and this was one game.  Let it go, let the steam blow off, take a step back, and look at the big picture.  LOT of season left.

[MandRHusker]

Outside of Petteway, Shields and occasionally Pitchford we are so limited offensively. They were playing 10 feet off of Benny and Rivers was not only ineffective offensively but a real liability defensively. We need a couple more scorers to be a top 25 team.

[royalfan]

Rivers is not a real liability on defense. 

[MandRHusker]

Rivers is not a real liability on defense. 

He was last night. Just not enough bulk to defend a real B1G PF.

[hhcmatt]

Last year these guys put up a combined 4 points against Wisconsin in a win.  The big difference was Shields put up 26 and Pitch put up 15.  Shields put up 4 shots last night.  4!

 

Those guys do need to step it up but so did most of the team.

[jimmykc]

At least we did not experience a Missouri-Kentucky beat down which could truly demoralize a team. We should still be mentally able to pull this together for a couple of victories next week.

[Norm Peterson]

At least we did not experience a Missouri-Kentucky beat down which could truly demoralize a team. We should still be mentally able to pull this together for a couple of victories next week.

I know that avatar, Jimmy.  Walter Mondale.  I've been waiting for you to get to him.

[Hoops_Legend]

Guys you are messing the point here.... Wisconsin is a elite basketball team top to bottom and they have 8-9 guys on the roster that can score 10+ at any given night. We are not at that level which is fine we don't have to be right if Petteway can continue to  score at a elite level has he did last night and most of this year 11-7 conference record is right there. Wisconsin may not lose another game this whole year I was pretty encourage buy are play in the first 35 mins of game play we stood toe to toe with a final 4 team and ran out of gas we are getting better every day to me the next home games are more important than last night.

[Norm Peterson]

Got to be a record of futility in my opinion. I don't fault their effort but no team can win playing three against five on offense. Parker shot 67% from the field if air balls count.

Add in Pitchford and Shields and you have a combined 117 minutes of playing time that produced 15 points and 10 rebounds.

I love these guys but tonight was absolutely like watching the JV play the varsity. Gotta win out at home to be relavent at the end of the year.

I'm sorry, but this post is a hysterical overreaction. 

 

Our team took 50 shots last night compared to Wisconsin's 43.

 

Of those 50 shots, Terran Petteway took 20 and hit 11, which is better than 50 percent shooting.

 

Benny and David took a total of 5 shots.  Combined.  You want Benny and David to take more shots? 

 

Who was going to take fewer shots last night in order for Benny and David to take more?

 

You going to take those shots away from Terran Petteway?  When he's hitting better than 50%?

 

Because no one else took more than 8 shots.

 

So, I don't know where you're going to find more looks for David and Benny.

[jimmykc]

Norm: HB beat you to the Mondale ID by several minutes. And speaking of beat downs, how about that one Ronnie put on Mondale? I have a few more slam dunk Walters, but then a couple which may be stumpers left up my sleeve for the rest of the year.

[FredsSlacks]

the problem isn't that rivers and parker scored 0 points. the problem is that they are playing 57 minutes.

[AuroranHusker]

the problem isn't that rivers and parker scored 0 points. the problem is that they are playing 57 minutes.

 

The real problem is their combined production amounted to a few boards & 1 steal.

[FredsSlacks]

 

the problem isn't that rivers and parker scored 0 points. the problem is that they are playing 57 minutes.

 

The real problem is their combined production amounted to 1 board & 1 steal.

 

so why are they playing starters minutes then?

[AuroranHusker]

 

 

the problem isn't that rivers and parker scored 0 points. the problem is that they are playing 57 minutes.

 

The real problem is their combined production amounted to 1 board & 1 steal.

 

so why are they playing starters minutes then?

 

 

No doubt that Tarin & Moses/Leslee need to get more minutes early in the game ASAP. Energizer Benny is better off the bench anyways.

[FredsSlacks]

Last year these guys put up a combined 4 points against Wisconsin in a win.  The big difference was Shields put up 26 and Pitch put up 15.  Shields put up 4 shots last night.  4!

 

Those guys do need to step it up but so did most of the team.

Shavon hasn't looked the same since the beginning of the year. I think teams are keying on him and letting petteway do whatever he wants.

[AuroranHusker]

 

Last year these guys put up a combined 4 points against Wisconsin in a win.  The big difference was Shields put up 26 and Pitch put up 15.  Shields put up 4 shots last night.  4!

 

Those guys do need to step it up but so did most of the team.

Shavon hasn't looked the same since the beginning of the year. I think teams are keying on him and letting petteway do whatever he wants.

 

 

Yeah, and last night Shields got several crap calls which kind of took away his aggression...

[bkamler]

I get it that Parker and Rivers only took a hand full of shots during their 57 minutes of scoreless playing time. But at halftme, I'm sure Ryan told his team that it was incredibly apparent who needs to be guarded and who doesn't.  

 

He probably told them something to the affect that WU could put 60% of it's defensive attention on  Petteway, 30% on Shields and only 10% on the other three guys out on the court because they were not even thinking about shooting the ball. He probably told them to pack the middle and make us a jump shooting team. The result was that it became very difficult for Petteway to get many decent shots the second half.

 

I agree that the sky is not falling but the Bottom Line is this: We will not beat average to better than average teams with a shot distribution ratio like we had last night.

[hskr4life]

I get it that Parker and Rivers only took a hand full of shots during their 57 minutes of scoreless playing time. But at halftme, I'm sure Ryan told his team that it was incredibly apparent who needs to be guarded and who doesn't.  

 

He probably told them something to the affect that WU could put 60% of it's defensive attention on  Petteway, 30% on Shields and only 10% on the other three guys out on the court because they were not even thinking about shooting the ball. He probably told them to pack the middle and make us a jump shooting team. The result was that it became very difficult for Petteway to get many decent shots the second half.

 

I agree that the sky is not falling but the Bottom Line is this: We will not beat average to better than average teams with a shot distribution ratio like we had last night.

 

We will if Petteway is scoring like he did last night.  There is no reason for others to take a shot when Petteway is feeling it.  If Petteway is hot, really the only other person that needs to be shooting is Shields, and occasionally Pitchford.  Everyone else needs to be out there doing their job.

 

It all comes back to the roles that we have on the team.  Benny and David are not the go to shooters and scorers.  At least they both took a couple of shots.  Remember Benny when he used to not shoot it at all?  You mentioned Tai, but we are lucky if he shoots it before he turns it over.  Its not like neither Benny or David did not shoot last night, they just were not hitting.  

 

Petteway shoots and doesn't hit, but he keeps shooting.  I am ok with that because ya never know when he may light up.  If Benny and David are not shooting well, and they have already taken a couple, I am ok with them saying... well lets let Petteway chuck because we are not getting it done.

[colhusker]

 

 

the problem isn't that rivers and parker scored 0 points. the problem is that they are playing 57 minutes.

 

The real problem is their combined production amounted to 1 board & 1 steal.

 

so why are they playing starters minutes then?

 

Who you going to put in?  Please for the love of god don't say Webster

[AuroranHusker]

 

 

 

the problem isn't that rivers and parker scored 0 points. the problem is that they are playing 57 minutes.

 

The real problem is their combined production amounted to 1 board & 1 steal.

 

so why are they playing starters minutes then?

 

Who you going to put in?  Please for the love of god don't say Webster

 

Webster

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Handy Johnson]

the problem isn't that rivers and parker scored 0 points. the problem is that they are playing 57 minutes.

Yes, yes, yes...... There will come a time when we can trot out 5 starters who can ALL shoot the ball

[AuroranHusker]

 

the problem isn't that rivers and parker scored 0 points. the problem is that they are playing 57 minutes.

Yes, yes, yes...... There will come a time when we can trot out 5 starters who can ALL shoot the ball

 

 

NU could certainly do something about it to TRY & see if Tarin & Leslee/Moses would make a difference. Maybe we'll see it at some point in 2015!!

[Norm Peterson]

 

the problem isn't that rivers and parker scored 0 points. the problem is that they are playing 57 minutes.

Yes, yes, yes...... There will come a time when we can trot out 5 starters who can ALL shoot the ball

 

You have to have at least two who are very good scorers and at least two others who are legit threats who can go off from time to time.  Who can at least make the defense pay if they don't cover them.  The fifth guy can be a big who primarily defends and gets the occasional rebound put-back or a point who is a good distributor and defends.  I don't think you neeeed five guys who are all big-time scorers.  There won't be enough shots to go around.

 

But if you only have two legit scorers and another guy who's an occasional hot hand and two more who are so offensively limited that the other team doesn't really need to worry about them, that's when you have problems.

 

Now, I refuse to get down on Parker and Rivers because they are who we knew they were and we've known that they weren't big-time offensive producers.  We don't have a lot of options at this point, though.  But, last night, their lack of scoring was as much of a function of Petteway's hot night as anything else.  You're not going to want Parker and Rivers to be taking more than 5 shots collectively if Petteway is burning the nets at 55% from the floor.

 

If you want to complain about someone not getting it done last night, how about Walter Pitchford going 3-8 from the floor including a blistering 1-5 from BTA?  How about Shavon Shields shooting 75% from the floor but calling his own number only 4 times?  If Shields hits his season average, we're in that game to the end.

 

Bottom line:  For us to beat Wisconsin at home, all of the Big 3 have to score well and somebody has to have a career night.  On the road, we did about as well as we could have reasonably hoped.

[Huskerpapa]

 

 

the problem isn't that rivers and parker scored 0 points. the problem is that they are playing 57 minutes.

Yes, yes, yes...... There will come a time when we can trot out 5 starters who can ALL shoot the ball

 

You have to have at least two who are very good scorers and at least two others who are legit threats who can go off from time to time.  Who can at least make the defense pay if they don't cover them.  The fifth guy can be a big who primarily defends and gets the occasional rebound put-back or a point who is a good distributor and defends.  I don't think you neeeed five guys who are all big-time scorers.  There won't be enough shots to go around.

 

But if you only have two legit scorers and another guy who's an occasional hot hand and two more who are so offensively limited that the other team doesn't really need to worry about them, that's when you have problems.

 

Now, I refuse to get down on Parker and Rivers because they are who we knew they were and we've known that they weren't big-time offensive producers.  We don't have a lot of options at this point, though.  But, last night, their lack of scoring was as much of a function of Petteway's hot night as anything else.  You're not going to want Parker and Rivers to be taking more than 5 shots collectively if Petteway is burning the nets at 55% from the floor.

 

If you want to complain about someone not getting it done last night, how about Walter Pitchford going 3-8 from the floor including a blistering 1-5 from BTA?  How about Shavon Shields shooting 75% from the floor but calling his own number only 4 times?  If Shields hits his season average, we're in that game to the end.

 

Bottom line:  For us to beat Wisconsin at home, all of the Big 3 have to score well and somebody has to have a career night.  On the road, we did about as well as we could have reasonably hoped.

 

Norm I will not disagree with you as what you state makes perfect sense.  However, last evening both David and Benny either missed or bypassed wide open looks and it resulted (at least a few times) with TP taking hurried shots near the end of the shot clock.  I am not banging on either of our glue guys either.  But my expectation is that when either of them are wide open, they need to have the confidence to knock those shots down...in rhythm.  Their problem seems to be when they hesitate. 

 

Goodness, Tai has been sat/shut down...he had lost his confidence plus he was forcing things that created turnovers.  I personally believe that Tai has more talent and more of an upside then many others on our team.  But his confidence is wrecked.  But...and I am very careful with what I say because it is not my intent to rip on Benny...but Benny is not being covered.  He has to find a way to take advantage of that in order for Shavon, TP and Walt to get their shots in rhythm.  TSmith seems to be coming into his own.  Perhaps he is the answer and needs a bit more floor time?