Hammond & Wacker, Interested in Opinions

[MandRHusker]

Both seem like good kids who have size and strong fundamentals. I am wondering if we are taking a step up in recruiting with these kids or not. So I have a question. How do you think these two players compare to a player like Brandon Ubel? Will they be better, worse or about the same as D1 players?

[The Coach]

From what I've seen, Hammond is more athletic and Wacker more skilled than Ubel was in high school. Ubel was probably a better outside shooter.

 

We were Ubel's only major-conference offer. He had a few offers from MVC schools. Hammond and Wacker have at least drawn some Big 12 offers.

[FredsSlacks]

considering Hammond was our first top 150 player ever, I would say that is a step up in recruiting.

 

Wacker has about 20 D1 offers compared to Ubel's 5.

[MandRHusker]

Great! Thanks guys. Guess I didn't think to look up the offer list TimSmiles!

[TheKamdyMan]

Hammond looks like hes different from the guys Nebraska has signed in recent memory and will end up doing one of those slam dunks more than 4 times a season.

[Busch Light]

I personally like Wacker an awful lot.  Agree with The Coach, Wacker is a lot further developed than Ubel in high school.  If we get Wacker up here and get him in the weight room for a year, I think by his sophomore year he will at the same level as Ubel was as a senior.  That wouldn't be bad at all if that holds true, would it? 

 

I do think he has a ceiling on his potential, but I think he will reach his potential pretty early and be a solid 4 year player for us.   

[TheKamdyMan]

I personally like Wacker an awful lot.  Agree with The Coach, Wacker is a lot further developed than Ubel in high school.  If we get Wacker up here and get him in the weight room for a year, I think by his sophomore year he will at the same level as Ubel was as a senior.  That wouldn't be bad at all if that holds true, would it? 

 

I do think he has a ceiling on his potential, but I think he will reach his potential pretty early and be a solid 4 year player for us.   

 

I just dont think Ubel should be a measuring stick.  Yes he played for Nebraska but he wasnt that good of a player in the grand scheme of basketball and NU needs players much better than he was to get to the NCAA tournament on a regular basis.  I dont want someone just a little better than Ubel, NU needs a lot better.

[MandRHusker]

 

I personally like Wacker an awful lot.  Agree with The Coach, Wacker is a lot further developed than Ubel in high school.  If we get Wacker up here and get him in the weight room for a year, I think by his sophomore year he will at the same level as Ubel was as a senior.  That wouldn't be bad at all if that holds true, would it? 

 

I do think he has a ceiling on his potential, but I think he will reach his potential pretty early and be a solid 4 year player for us.   

 

I just dont think Ubel should be a measuring stick.  Yes he played for Nebraska but he wasnt that good of a player in the grand scheme of basketball and NU needs players much better than he was to get to the NCAA tournament on a regular basis.  I dont want someone just a little better than Ubel, NU needs a lot better.

 

I agree Kandy. Ubel is simply a measuring stick. I would be disappointed if we aren't recruiting players with superior skills and higher ceilings than Brandon. And by the sounds of it, both Hammond and Wacker are better than Ubel. I would be tickled pink if we recruit players with superior skills, higher ceilings and Brandon's character!

[kldm64]

I was just going to post that same thing that in no way should Ubel be the measuring stick on how good these recruits are.  I would venture to say that all of our recruits under Miles are better than Ubel and that includes the transfers that sat out last year.  We have up the measuring stick to a higher level of play for recruiting than what Ubel was.  Miles is killing it so far on the recruiting trail.

[Silverbacked1]

I know that Brandon was at best a role player type of kid.

But I will measure other recruits against his heart and willingness of team first.

If we get great talent who are good people I will be very happy.

[uneblinstu]

It's fair to use Ubel as a benchmark until we've seen what these guys can do. If they're better, they become the benchmark.

[Norm Peterson]

 

I personally like Wacker an awful lot.  Agree with The Coach, Wacker is a lot further developed than Ubel in high school.  If we get Wacker up here and get him in the weight room for a year, I think by his sophomore year he will at the same level as Ubel was as a senior.  That wouldn't be bad at all if that holds true, would it? 

 

I do think he has a ceiling on his potential, but I think he will reach his potential pretty early and be a solid 4 year player for us.   

 

I just dont think Ubel should be a measuring stick.  Yes he played for Nebraska but he wasnt that good of a player in the grand scheme of basketball and NU needs players much better than he was to get to the NCAA tournament on a regular basis.  I dont want someone just a little better than Ubel, NU needs a lot better.

 

Kamdy, keep in mind that a measuring stick is just a means of comparison.  And Ubel is just the most recent big whose play provides a memorable basis for comparison.  We all have a sense of the kind of player Ubel was while he was here.  And to say we need someone better is, for the reasons you indicated, readily apparent.  If we want to have a better team, then by all means we need a big man who's better than a guy who was a decent big on mediocre to bad Husker teams.

 

But we have thus made Ubel a measuring stick.  Is the new guy better than Ubel?  Is he a lot better than Ubel?  A measuring stick isn't necessarily the ideal.  Simply a means for comparison.

[49r]

It's fair to use Ubel as a benchmark until we've seen what these guys can do. If they're better, they become the benchmark.

 

Agreed.

[faqlsr]

Here is a full game of the Pangos All Star game #1 ....... Jacob Hammond is jersey #110

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iKrtsdioVlo

[big red22]

Here is a full game of the Pangos All Star game #1 ....... Jacob Hammond is jersey #110

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iKrtsdioVlo

I'd skip to the 26:30 make he has like 4 sweet plays in a row... the rest is pretty standard

[The Coach]

Can anyone summarize?

 

[TheKamdyMan]

Can anyone summarize?

 

 

basically says Boise and Nebraska are his top two and that he had a great visit.  he is still processing etc etc.  I think it really means he wants Nebraska badly but his offer isnt commitable so hes saying all the right things for both sides.  I think we are in good shape for Robinson and even if we dont get them I think NU could be fine waiting on another player.  If he has all these offers for him to basically only have BSU as the only major player for him I think NU can hold out for bigger fish.

[49r]

Boise isn't horrible though.  Didn't they make the dance last year?

[TheKamdyMan]

Boise isn't horrible though.  Didn't they make the dance last year?

 

yes they had a play-in game.  But look at every other offer Wacker supposedly has and you hear nothing about those teams.  I just think for the high level schools he is a fall back option.

[ajb5856]

Can anyone summarize?

https://twitter.com/RobinWashut/status/377266882044104704'>

basically says Boise and Nebraska are his top two and that he had a great visit. he is still processing etc etc. I think it really means he wants Nebraska badly but his offer isnt commitable so hes saying all the right things for both sides. I think we are in good shape for Robinson and even if we dont get them I think NU could be fine waiting on another player. If he has all these offers for him to basically only have BSU as the only major player for him I think NU can hold out for bigger fish.

I like this. After his visit, we were top of his list. No way he isn't choosing us if it was his choice. All signs pointed to his offer not being commitable at this time, and now that fact is pretty much confirmed.

[Swan88]

Prediction: David Wacker will be a Husker and on scholarship this time next year.

Speculation: Tim Miles & Co. are creatively managing the thirteen-scholarships and oversigning-by-one limitations to maximize this year's recruiting potential with Robinson, Deng, Bollen, etc., and Wacker is very much a central part of the plan.

Rationale:

1. These coaches wouldn't waste an official visit and their first in-home visit on someone they believe is a marginal / slow-play guy; and

2. Wacker received strong interest from the likes of Colorado and others, yet he hasn't set up any visit to anywhere but Boise.

[Silverbacked1]

Have to agree, we aren't going to have some kid in, on our dime that we don't want to offer and have him come now.

[Norm Peterson]

Not saying I agree or disagree, Swan.  But I appreciate the logic. 

 

I'm not sure how Miles is managing things with filling out the recruiting class but there's a big part of me that hopes we land a top 50 player and still have room for another foreign kid who ranks in the top 70.

 

That would be an incredible haul for the Huskers.  But it might be too much to ask for and it would be a shame to wind up with a kid like Wacker and feel disappointed that your team didn't land as good a player as you wanted.  Let's be real.  Two, maybe three years ago, we'd have been all kinds of happy landing a kid with Wacker's offer list.

[49r]

Not saying I agree or disagree, Swan.  But I appreciate the logic. 

 

I'm not sure how Miles is managing things but there's a big part of me that hopes we land a top 50 player and still have room for another foreign kid who ranks in the top 70.

 

That would be an incredible haul for the Huskers.  But it might be too much to ask for and it would be a shame to wind up with a kid like Wacker and feel disappointed that your team didn't land as good a player as you wanted.  Let's be real.  Two, maybe three years ago, we'd have been all kinds of happy landing a kid with Wacker's offer list.

 

Norm, three years ago we were giddy about David Rivers...

[The Coach]

I just don't see why Wacker's other visit is Boise if he really has offers from Colorado, Wichita St (a final 4 team), SMU, Texas Tech, and Boston College. Heck he has an offer from Pepperdine, I've been to that campus and let me tell you, visiting Malibu sure beats visiting Boise. 

 

I'm guessing we asked him to wait until the Spring Signing period if we land 2 more commits this fall. If we don't, then he'll sign in the fall. I do have a bad feeling we will strike out with Robinson and Bolden and end up with a class of Hammond, Wacker, and Deng. Which wouldn't be bad, but a bit disappointing.