Nebraska (17-9) vs. Penn St. (13-13) Game Thread

[B-town hoopsfan]

9 minutes ago, HB said:

 

I have a completely different take.  You bitch on and on about coaching--but this roster is a disaster.   Coaches deserve a freaking medal for getting 17 wins out of this group.   Understanding the problem with Uhlis, understand that Rollie was awful tonight.   He can't shoot, but he's slow, as the old saying goes.  Got absolutely exposed on defense tonight.   But I realize message board posters mainly watch offense.  Oh yeah, he sucked there also. 

The coaches built the roster….

[royalfan]

Just now, HB said:

 

Agree with that.  Just frustrated with the glaring deficiencies of so many on our squad.   I would do exactly as you suggest with Conner's playing time.

It is simply a flawed roster like you mentioned.  And playing Uhilis and other more is just making it more flawed IMO. 

[HB]

Just now, B-town hoopsfan said:

The coaches built the roster….

We are talking about different things.   The take was about floor coaching tonight.   I was saying the bad roster has much more to do with it.  Read carefully.  

[brfrad]

3 minutes ago, royalfan said:

Not sure where I discussed defensive prowess or lack thereof here.  I was talking about the analytics of sitting guys with two fouls.  You cannot sit Morgan the entire half and get down 23 before bringing him back.  Changing the subject not going to work my man.  I am not in the mood for it.  You and I both know it is stupid. 

He let Brice play with 2 fouls tonight. Picked up his 3rd in the 1st half.  Played like crap in the 2nd half because he didn't want to pick up his 4th.  Morgan scored, but he turned over the ball.  Would over help on defense leaving his guy wide open. 

 

I don't know why you are so fixated on this.  It did not cost us the game.  Worst games of the season by Sam, Rollie, Juwan, and Uhlis cost us the game.

[royalfan]

2 minutes ago, brfrad said:

He let Brice play with 2 fouls tonight. Picked up his 3rd in the 1st half.  Played like crap in the 2nd half because he didn't want to pick up his 4th.  Morgan scored, but he turned over the ball.  Would over help on defense leaving his guy wide open. 

 

I don't know why you are so fixated on this.  It did not cost us the game.  Worst games of the season by Sam, Rollie, Juwan, and Uhlis cost us the game.

I guess we will we just agree to disagree that you understand basketball analytics better than Nate Oats.  I will take Nate.  You can have you.  Quite saying shit I didn't say.  Not once did I suggest that is why we lost the game.  I suggested it hindered our ability to have any shot to win the game.  It did. 

Edited yesterday at 02:18 AM by royalfan

[roscoe]

2 minutes ago, brfrad said:

I don't know why you are so fixated on this.  It did not cost us the game.  Worst games of the season by Sam, Rollie, Juwan, and Uhlis cost us the game.

And Ulis has bar set pretty high.

[Huskerpapa]

31 minutes ago, royalfan said:

brought morgan back for about 15 seconds.  Who cares if Bryce picked up a third?  You get 5 for 40 minutes.  If you think that qualifies as "bringing Morgan back" you clearly do not understand analytics either. 

Clearly I don't understand analytics.  I'm sort of dumb, as you know.  By the way Bryce plays for Portland.  Brice is our starting wing.

[hhcmatt]

6 minutes ago, brfrad said:

I don't know why you are so fixated on this.  It did not cost us the game.  Worst games of the season by Sam, Rollie, Juwan, and Uhlis cost us the game.

 

Ulis has had worse games like the kind where he gets pulled after 2-3 minutes.

He had 0 turnovers in 22 minutes which is something.

 

Juwan looked like we already have a post season quote prepared about him playing through an injury most of the season

[royalfan]

2 minutes ago, Huskerpapa said:

Clearly I don't understand analytics.  I'm sort of dumb, as you know.  By the way Bryce plays for Portland.  Brice is our starting wing.

Thanks for that important correction!

[royalfan]

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[Huskerpapa]

Just now, royalfan said:

Thanks for that important correction!

No problem, great I am able to help out.

 

I pay close attention to you Royal.  I appreciate your insight and passion.  I am a bit butt hurt with your opinion of my observations.  Oh well.

[brfrad]

3 minutes ago, royalfan said:

I guess we will we just agree to disagree that you understand basketball analytics better than Nate Oats.  I will take Nate.  You can have you. 

I don't care about analytics.   I do feel a hard set rule of benching players with 2 fouls is too rigid.  He went away from it letting Brice play with 2 tonight.  Morgan picked up his 2nd with 18 1/2 minutes to go in the 1st half.  If you go by you and play him until he fouls out.  Chances are astronomical he will pick up a 3rd or 4th well before the 1st half is over.  The 2nd half just becomes the 1st half.  We get outscored by 23 in the 2nd half instead of the 1st half.

 

My only qualm with your posts is you aren't holding the players accountable for a poor effort.  It was all the coaches fault.  Yes, the coaches need to hold the players accountable.   But, if all the players are struggling, not much you can do.

[Huskerpapa]

4 minutes ago, royalfan said:

 

 

 

[royalfan]

1 minute ago, Huskerpapa said:

No problem, great I am able to help out.

 

I pay close attention to you Royal.  I appreciate your insight and passion.  I am a bit butt hurt with your opinion of my observations.  Oh well.

I am very passionate on the two foul thing.  You were not wrong.  I was not aware sam had 2 at that point as well as we have more guards that can play than up front without Berke.  I just didn't think we have ourselves our best shot sitting morgan that long.  I can be a bit abrasive at times when frustrated.  Don't take it the wrong way.  Mad respect for you.  

[royalfan]

3 minutes ago, brfrad said:

I don't care about analytics.   I do feel a hard set rule of benching players with 2 fouls is too rigid.  He went away from it letting Brice play with 2 tonight.  Morgan picked up his 2nd with 18 1/2 minutes to go in the 1st half.  If you go by you and play him until he fouls out.  Chances are astronomical he will pick up a 3rd or 4th well before the 1st half is over.  The 2nd half just becomes the 1st half.  We get outscored by 23 in the 2nd half instead of the 1st half.

 

My only qualm with your posts is you aren't holding the players accountable for a poor effort.  It was all the coaches fault.  Yes, the coaches need to hold the players accountable.   But, if all the players are struggling, not much you can do.

Again saying things I didnt say.  Can you stop doing that?  I wouldn't have that kind of lack of respect for you.  I never said play him staright through until he gets 5.  So don't say that I did.  But when game is getting away, you have to do what you can to stay in it.  It does not matter who has how many fouls if you cannot win anyway right? When it gets to 12 or 13 tops you have to put what you think is your best offering out there IMO.  We did not do that, nor did we until the second half.  The more dire the spot, the more aggressive you need to be to stay in there.  That is why in MLB playoffs smart managers go to their best pitchers earlier in games to try to keep the game in reach.  Similar concept with fouls in basketball should be used.  

[brfrad]

16 minutes ago, royalfan said:

Again saying things I didnt say.  Can you stop doing that?  I wouldn't have that kind of lack of respect for you.  I never said play him staright through until he gets 5.  So don't say that I did.  But when game is getting away, you have to do what you can to stay in it.  It does not matter who has how many fouls if you cannot win anyway right? When it gets to 12 or 13 tops you have to put what you think is your best offering out there IMO.  We did not do that, nor did we until the second half.  The more dire the spot, the more aggressive you need to be to stay in there.  That is why in MLB playoffs smart managers go to their best pitchers earlier in games to try to keep the game in reach.  Similar concept with fouls in basketball should be used.  

Sorry, I was misremembering.   I went back and looked at your posts.  1 you claim "I don't care if he has 5 at the 10 minute mark"  I took that as the 1st half.  The analytics thing is way overblown, just like baseball.  You have to know your players.  Morgan has a propensity of picking up fouls quickly.  Brice doesn't usually foul.  My point being players know their foul count is and how aggressive they can be.  Let's say Ace Baldwin picks up 2 fouls in the 1st minute and a half.  Chances are high he is not going to be forcing as many turnovers.  We would probably get more easy baskets and better looks.  The same goes for their 7 footer.  He is going to be hesitant to challenge shots.

 

I love your passion and your desire to win.  I just feel you seem to be piling on the coaches, when tonight was a shit show by everyone.   Players and coaches alike.

Edited yesterday at 02:58 AM by brfrad

[B-town hoopsfan]

2 hours ago, HB said:

We are talking about different things.   The take was about floor coaching tonight.   I was saying the bad roster has much more to do with it.  Read carefully.  

So the coaches that built the roster and decides who he subs in and out?  The defensive game plan was awful tonight and never deviated ontop of playing uhlis for 22 minutes after his 3 minutes at northwestern seemed like it was to much….idk what happened in the year he took off but man he brings zilch to the table now. 

[AuroranHusker]

35 minutes ago, B-town hoopsfan said:

So the coaches that built the roster and decides who he subs in and out?  The defensive game plan was awful tonight and never deviated ontop of playing uhlis for 22 minutes after his 3 minutes at northwestern seemed like it was to much….idk what happened in the year he took off but man he brings zilch to the table now. 

 

It's the 5 for 15 on FTs that infuriate me about Ulis. How the heck is a dude who's been in college as long as he has be so bad at a fundamental like that. His shot is horrendous. So frustrating to see him shoot the ball, but I'd probably also say that about Rollie's 3-pt. shot as well. So ridiculous, tbh.

 

[HB]

8 hours ago, B-town hoopsfan said:

So the coaches that built the roster and decides who he subs in and out?  The defensive game plan was awful tonight and never deviated ontop of playing uhlis for 22 minutes after his 3 minutes at northwestern seemed like it was to much….idk what happened in the year he took off but man he brings zilch to the table now. 

 

So you think Rollie and Sam were showing good handles?  

[BigTate]

15 hours ago, Vinny said:

Excited for the tour this summer! Went to their Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction show in Cleveland in 2022 and it was one of the best shows I’ve ever been to. Trent still puts on an energetic show for a guy pushing 60.

Yep I saw them 2 times back in the 90s at the Music Hall in Omaha. 

[jimmykc]

 I finally got around to reading this. Here is Jimmy's simplistic take on the rest of our season: We are now at 17-10 with 4 regular season games left (3 at home). 1. Win all 4 and we are in with a pretty good seed 2. Win 3 and we are in with a low seed 3. Win 2 and we might make the "last four in" group 4. Win 0 and say goodby to winning a first NCAA game. I think all of the above are possible with this Jekyll and Hyde team (and a lot depends upon how Berke plays when he returns). 

Edited 3 hours ago by jimmykc