uneblinstu's Post Game Chatter: Volume 8, Issue 29 - Penn State

[hhcmatt]

 

 

 

 

that is the current state of the program.

It's not though.

Unless we lose to Northwestern it's not.

Unless we lose in the B1G tournament it's not.

And even then? It's still not.

How is the current state of the program not the current state of the program?

When you can see the forest from the trees.

Please enlighten me. Help unblur my perspective.

The state of the program is bigger than a 2 close game skid to Ohio State and Penn State.

[PimpMario]

that is the current state of the program.

It's not though.

Unless we lose to Northwestern it's not.

Unless we lose in the B1G tournament it's not.

And even then? It's still not.

How is the current state of the program not the current state of the program?

When you can see the forest from the trees.

Please enlighten me. Help unblur my perspective.

Can you tell me how many seasons Sadler finished over .500 without looking it up? I can tell you how many NCAA tournaments he made without looking it up.

Yes I would say v sadler v had 2 winning seasons.

Miles is 1 of 3. Hopefully he can avoid another losing season but it is now looking unlikely.

I think miles is better than sadler so what?

[hhcmatt]

Yes I would say v sadler v had 2 winning seasons.

 

It was 4 of 6. Doesn't really seem in the grand scheme of thing that matters much.

[PimpMario]

that is the current state of the program.

It's not though.

Unless we lose to Northwestern it's not.

Unless we lose in the B1G tournament it's not.

And even then? It's still not.

How is the current state of the program not the current state of the program?

When you can see the forest from the trees.

Please enlighten me. Help unblur my perspective.

The state of the program is bigger than a 2 close game skid to Ohio State and Penn State.

Is the state of the program bigger than 2-6 or 6-10 or 14-15 or 27-33 or 61-63?

This year has gone from having the potential to be a building year to a losing season the last 8 games.

[kldm64]

 

I'm ready to fire Mo and hire someone who can run an offense.

 

Brilliant.  Especially since Mo coaches defense. 

 

 

I hate the defense we run.  They have 2 shooters that are killing us and every time, we leave them open to go down and double in the low post.  Here's a thought, how about playing them straight up and see if we can handling them down low without bring the double team each time and let them just shoot wide open 3's.  They were the worst 3 point shooting team and we make them look like they are the best.  Coach Mo loves to just double everywhere and it's not working.

[PimpMario]

Yes I would say v sadler v had 2 winning seasons.

It was 4 of 6. Doesn't really seem in the grand scheme of thing that matters much.

So you are saying sadler was a better coach than miles?

[Silverbacked1]

My son and I were talking about that last night.  I quickly did some simple math and figured that we gave them what 6 maybe 7 3's on the double down.  Now if we let the post score on all 6-7 with just a two point play.  We end up 6 or 7 points in the plus.

 

Does this make sense?  We would have be up 5 or 6 when they have to make the last free throws and we win.  I know it might now work out that way but it does seem to me that allowing a big to score 2 verses a guard getting 3 is in the long run a plus for us.

 

I would rather that they don't make either but that is for another time.

[PimpMario]

My son and I were talking about that last night. I quickly did some simple math and figured that we gave them what 6 maybe 7 3's on the double down. Now if we let the post score on all 6-7 with just a two point play. We end up 6 or 7 points in the plus.

Does this make sense? We would have be up 5 or 6 when they have to make the last free throws and we win. I know it might now work out that way but it does seem to me that allowing a big to score 2 verses a guard getting 3 is in the long run a plus for us.

I would rather that they don't make either but that is for another time.

I don't think that's right. You also have to give the post 2 points on the missed 3s. You don't know which 3s they are going to make.

[Silverbacked1]

 

 

 

 

 

 

that is the current state of the program.

It's not though.

Unless we lose to Northwestern it's not.

Unless we lose in the B1G tournament it's not.

And even then? It's still not.

How is the current state of the program not the current state of the program?

When you can see the forest from the trees.

Please enlighten me. Help unblur my perspective.

The state of the program is bigger than a 2 close game skid to Ohio State and Penn State.

Is the state of the program bigger than 2-6 or 6-10 or 14-15 or 27-33 or 61-63?

This year has gone from having the potential to be a building year to a losing season the last 8 games.

 

Sometimes building gets delayed a bit.  I still see this as a good building year even if we end up under .500.  Because we lost closer in games.  Never got really blown out and pushed some good teams to the end.  To me those are signs of growth and building in a positive way and direction.

[jimmykc]

Methinks we have too much time on our respective hands before the next game. (Actually, I just wanted to use "methinks" in a sentence today).

[PimpMario]

that is the current state of the program.

It's not though.

Unless we lose to Northwestern it's not.

Unless we lose in the B1G tournament it's not.

And even then? It's still not.

How is the current state of the program not the current state of the program?

When you can see the forest from the trees.

Please enlighten me. Help unblur my perspective.

The state of the program is bigger than a 2 close game skid to Ohio State and Penn State.

Is the state of the program bigger than 2-6 or 6-10 or 14-15 or 27-33 or 61-63?

This year has gone from having the potential to be a building year to a losing season the last 8 games.

Sometimes building gets delayed a bit. I still see this as a good building year even if we end up under .500. Because we lost closer in games. Never got really blown out and pushed some good teams to the end. To me those are signs of growth and building in a positive way and direction.

I generally agree. But feeling good about close games sounds like the little engine that could.

I don't think miles is happy with the state of the program so I don't think the fans should.

[hhcmatt]

 

 

Yes I would say v sadler v had 2 winning seasons.

It was 4 of 6. Doesn't really seem in the grand scheme of thing that matters much.

So you are saying sadler was a better coach than miles?

 

 

I think I just had a mini-stroke.

[PimpMario]

Yes I would say v sadler v had 2 winning seasons.

It was 4 of 6. Doesn't really seem in the grand scheme of thing that matters much.

So you are saying sadler was a better coach than miles?

I think I just had a mini-stroke.

In all seriousness if anyone here has a stroke don't go to Creighton please.

[PimpMario]

Methinks we have too much time on our respective hands before the next game. (Actually, I just wanted to use "methinks" in a sentence today).

I am home today watching my baby.

At least we aren't Creighton

[Silverbacked1]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

that is the current state of the program.

It's not though.

Unless we lose to Northwestern it's not.

Unless we lose in the B1G tournament it's not.

And even then? It's still not.

How is the current state of the program not the current state of the program?

When you can see the forest from the trees.

Please enlighten me. Help unblur my perspective.

The state of the program is bigger than a 2 close game skid to Ohio State and Penn State.

Is the state of the program bigger than 2-6 or 6-10 or 14-15 or 27-33 or 61-63?

This year has gone from having the potential to be a building year to a losing season the last 8 games.

Sometimes building gets delayed a bit. I still see this as a good building year even if we end up under .500. Because we lost closer in games. Never got really blown out and pushed some good teams to the end. To me those are signs of growth and building in a positive way and direction.

I generally agree. But feeling good about close games sounds like the little engine that could.

I don't think miles is happy with the state of the program so I don't think the fans should.

 

So we are the little engine that could.  I think coaches tend to talk with out thinking some.  We as fans also hold these guys to what they say.  Tim can say we aren't the little engine that could but what is the other two engines called?  The little engine that couldn't at all and the big engine that does it all.  We are building towards the big engine that does it all.

 

I guess I have too much going in my life to really worry about if this program is at rock bottom or not.  

 

I know it is a message board and all, but we tend to go away to far when we lose or win.  What would everybody being say if Shavon hits that shot?  Are we then at rock bottom?  If we go on a mini run here and win the B1G are we at rock bottom?

 

If we don't win another game this year are we at rock bottom?  Rock bottom to me is next step is death or rehab.  We as a program are not that far down.

 

And if doesn't like me being okay with how the team looks and thinks I am settling for too little that is on him not me.

[PimpMario]

that is the current state of the program.

It's not though.

Unless we lose to Northwestern it's not.

Unless we lose in the B1G tournament it's not.

And even then? It's still not.

How is the current state of the program not the current state of the program?

When you can see the forest from the trees.

Please enlighten me. Help unblur my perspective.

The state of the program is bigger than a 2 close game skid to Ohio State and Penn State.

Is the state of the program bigger than 2-6 or 6-10 or 14-15 or 27-33 or 61-63?

This year has gone from having the potential to be a building year to a losing season the last 8 games.

Sometimes building gets delayed a bit. I still see this as a good building year even if we end up under .500. Because we lost closer in games. Never got really blown out and pushed some good teams to the end. To me those are signs of growth and building in a positive way and direction.

I generally agree. But feeling good about close games sounds like the little engine that could.

I don't think miles is happy with the state of the program so I don't think the fans should.

So we are the little engine that could. I think coaches tend to talk with out thinking some. We as fans also hold these guys to what they say. Tim can say we aren't the little engine that could but what is the other two engines called? The little engine that couldn't at all and the big engine that does it all. We are building towards the big engine that does it all.

I guess I have too much going in my life to really worry about if this program is at rock bottom or not.

I know it is a message board and all, but we tend to go away to far when we lose or win. What would everybody being say if Shavon hits that shot? Are we then at rock bottom? If we go on a mini run here and win the B1G are we at rock bottom?

If we don't win another game this year are we at rock bottom? Rock bottom to me is next step is death or rehab. We as a program are not that far down.

And if doesn't like me being okay with how the team looks and thinks I am settling for too little that is on him not me.

I know some react wildly to 1 game but at least give me credit for being more consistent.

[Handy Johnson]

Here's the deal. We go out back, you give me half your money, I'll kick you in the nuts and we'll call it even...

[colhusker]

My son and I were talking about that last night.  I quickly did some simple math and figured that we gave them what 6 maybe 7 3's on the double down.  Now if we let the post score on all 6-7 with just a two point play.  We end up 6 or 7 points in the plus.

 

Does this make sense?  We would have be up 5 or 6 when they have to make the last free throws and we win.  I know it might now work out that way but it does seem to me that allowing a big to score 2 verses a guard getting 3 is in the long run a plus for us.

 

I would rather that they don't make either but that is for another time.

Even I can follow your math Silverbacked and agree.  At some point the light has to come on that doubling down is not working.

[Buglem]

Anyone that thought this team was going to be anything but a work in progress all year wasn't really paying much attention.  Way too many new faces on the team, only one experienced scorer returning and no experienced post presence.  In the preseason we were picked in the bottom 3 by EVERYONE.  I frankly expected more games where we got blown out simply because relying on freshmen when you're anyone except Kentucky, Duke, etc. is a crap shoot and likely to look like the stock market lately.  

 

I think if you look at the entire body of work for the season and stop picking points in time we are nowhere near bottom.  I'm not saying we are where we want to be and we certainly shouldn't allow the program to gravitate toward mediocrity, however, when you look at this team, the talent and the level of play this year it is LIGHT YEARS ahead of where we were anytime in the last decade except for the team two years ago.  We are a program that isn't rebuilding, it is BUILDING.  Building anything right takes time and a solid foundation.  I believe what we seeing this year is that foundation being built.  We can either sit here and be consistent and negative about the program and measure everything in absolute wins and losses or we can try to look at the big picture and see if the program as a whole is trending in the right direction.  Myself, I see a positive trend and am excited about seeing how we finish this year, how we finish recruiting and seeing a higher level product on the floor next year.

 

Of course for some, next year is NCAA's or bust so I guess we should just set a timer on the hitting bottom thread for this time next year and see where we are.

[hhcmatt]

[Silverbacked1]

Not calling you out Pimp.  But if you watch after a loss there are people who aren't on here after wins, and it goes the other way too.

[Bugeaters1]

Not calling you out Pimp.  But if you watch after a loss there are people who aren't on here after wins, and it goes the other way too.

Or show up when things start to go south during a game. It's like clock work.

[jimmykc]

Dead meat attracts maggots

[HuskerFever]

Dead meat attracts maggots

 

I SAID OVER-EASY!

 

[hal9000]

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I think if you look at the entire body of work for the season and stop picking points in time we are nowhere near bottom.  I'm not saying we are where we want to be and we certainly shouldn't allow the program to gravitate toward mediocrity, however, when you look at this team, the talent and the level of play this year it is LIGHT YEARS ahead of where we were anytime in the last decade except for the team two years ago.  We are a program that isn't rebuilding, it is BUILDING.  Building anything right takes time and a solid foundation.  I believe what we seeing this year is that foundation being built.  We can either sit here and be consistent and negative about the program and measure everything in absolute wins and losses or we can try to look at the big picture and see if the program as a whole is trending in the right direction.  Myself, I see a positive trend and am excited about seeing how we finish this year, how we finish recruiting and seeing a higher level product on the floor next year.

 

Of course for some, next year is NCAA's or bust so I guess we should just set a timer on the hitting bottom thread for this time next year and see where we are.

Ooo, what you said!