2016 PF/C Jordy Tshimanga - Signed

[AuroranHusker]

 

 

 

 

I'm fine with MJ at 5, but Morrow should be at 4 imo.

 

Just curious why you think that?  Morrow is more of a low post player only whereas Jacobson has more outside range to go along with his low post presence. 

 

 

I don't know that offensively we can play Morrow and Jordy at the same time. To me, that makes Morrow a 5.

 

 

Morrow needs to get his Serge Ibaka outside game going & he'll be able to play the stretch 4 some day. Block shots, D up, and hit a jumper now & then. And, of course, hit the glass like a mad man!

 

I don't think Morrow will ever be a stretch 4.  He's just not a shooter; that isn't his game.  That's okay as not everyone is a shooter, and a 4 doesn't need to be a Stretch 4 to be effective.

 

I think Jacobson and Morrow are both 4s, but the offense has to be run completely different for each of them as they have such dissimilar games from one another.

 

 

I don't expect three-pointers, by any stretch. I do think Morrow can knock down 15'-17' jumpers so I would classify him as a "potential" stretch 4. He has good form. He had foot issues this year. On one side of the paint he'll be much better by opening up the floor for driving lanes by Gill et al if Ed can knock down that corner pull-up shot consistently.

 

Jacobson and Morrow aren't entirely that different, once a healthy Morrow is able to show his jumper more, Ed will become more valuable to the offensive sets. Morrow is a very good player who needs to grow his game. Jacobson is very well-heeled already. Both can get it done at the 4, IMHO. Jacobson will be able to play 5, as well.

 

The guy to keep an eye on is Jeriah Horne. He'll be that slash player (3 or 4) who is a bit more like Shavon Shields. He can provide a little bit of everything. Horne will be a very good player at Nebraska.

[Fullbacksympathy]

 

 

 

I'm fine with MJ at 5, but Morrow should be at 4 imo.

Just curious why you think that? Morrow is more of a low post player only whereas Jacobson has more outside range to go along with his low post presence.

I don't know that offensively we can play Morrow and Jordy at the same time. To me, that makes Morrow a 5.

Why? If Jordy is on the floor he is going to be the 5. I understand that MJ has more of an outside game than Morrow, but you certainly don't need the 4 to have one. I thought a lot of the talk was about getting MJ and Morrow to their more natural spots on the floor. In my eyes, Morrow would be better as the guy feeding off the 5. If you've got a Jordy out there shadowing the other teams big, then Morrow can eat his smaller man alive on the offensive glass as cleanup man. I don't know why you couldn't play both Jordy and Morrow together.

 

 

Agreed.  There is power forward, and there is stretch 4, and they are rarely the same type of player.  Rodman and Chris Bosh both play/ed the 4.  Nowitzki and Charles Oakley both play/ed the 4.  I dream of the day we have a true center and Morrow can run around wreaking havoc on both ends around the basket.  When he has the freedom to leave his man and block shots across the lane on opposing 5s as a help defender as opposed to being anchored down by them on every possession, he's going to be a monster.  Additionally, on offense, if we have a center who draws double teams it's going to be dunk city on followups and finishes.  

 

I see Jacobson more as a 4 able to play the 5.  I've never thought of Morrow even remotely as a 5.  I think our two true 4s are going to be Morrow and Horne moving forward.  

[Fullbacksympathy]

Also, based on the film I've seen, Jordy can hit midrange jumpers.  The kid has good touch.  

[Silverbacked1]

i watched Ed in warm ups after we talked about this durning the season.  He has a nice 10-12 foot jump shot.  At least it looked good.  I know that game and warm ups are different.  But it was going in more than not and he looked good taking it.  I think he could play the 4 if needed.

[King James]

 

 

 

 

 

I'm fine with MJ at 5, but Morrow should be at 4 imo.

 

Just curious why you think that?  Morrow is more of a low post player only whereas Jacobson has more outside range to go along with his low post presence. 

 

 

I don't know that offensively we can play Morrow and Jordy at the same time. To me, that makes Morrow a 5.

 

 

Morrow needs to get his Serge Ibaka outside game going & he'll be able to play the stretch 4 some day. Block shots, D up, and hit a jumper now & then. And, of course, hit the glass like a mad man!

 

I don't think Morrow will ever be a stretch 4.  He's just not a shooter; that isn't his game.  That's okay as not everyone is a shooter, and a 4 doesn't need to be a Stretch 4 to be effective.

 

I think Jacobson and Morrow are both 4s, but the offense has to be run completely different for each of them as they have such dissimilar games from one another.

 

 

I don't expect three-pointers, by any stretch. I do think Morrow can knock down 15'-17' jumpers so I would classify him as a "potential" stretch 4. He has good form. He had foot issues this year. On one side of the paint he'll be much better by opening up the floor for driving lanes by Gill et al if Ed can knock down that corner pull-up shot consistently.

 

Jacobson and Morrow aren't entirely that different, once a healthy Morrow is able to show his jumper more, Ed will become more valuable to the offensive sets. Morrow is a very good player who needs to grow his game. Jacobson is very well-heeled already. Both can get it done at the 4, IMHO. Jacobson will be able to play 5, as well.

 

I guess we just will have to agree to disagree.  Morrow wasn't an outside shooter in high school either.  Playing a system where he is a stretch 4 and has to make outside shots is probably not the best fit for his skill set. 

[AuroranHusker]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm fine with MJ at 5, but Morrow should be at 4 imo.

 

Just curious why you think that?  Morrow is more of a low post player only whereas Jacobson has more outside range to go along with his low post presence. 

 

 

I don't know that offensively we can play Morrow and Jordy at the same time. To me, that makes Morrow a 5.

 

 

Morrow needs to get his Serge Ibaka outside game going & he'll be able to play the stretch 4 some day. Block shots, D up, and hit a jumper now & then. And, of course, hit the glass like a mad man!

 

I don't think Morrow will ever be a stretch 4.  He's just not a shooter; that isn't his game.  That's okay as not everyone is a shooter, and a 4 doesn't need to be a Stretch 4 to be effective.

 

I think Jacobson and Morrow are both 4s, but the offense has to be run completely different for each of them as they have such dissimilar games from one another.

 

 

I don't expect three-pointers, by any stretch. I do think Morrow can knock down 15'-17' jumpers so I would classify him as a "potential" stretch 4. He has good form. He had foot issues this year. On one side of the paint he'll be much better by opening up the floor for driving lanes by Gill et al if Ed can knock down that corner pull-up shot consistently.

 

Jacobson and Morrow aren't entirely that different, once a healthy Morrow is able to show his jumper more, Ed will become more valuable to the offensive sets. Morrow is a very good player who needs to grow his game. Jacobson is very well-heeled already. Both can get it done at the 4, IMHO. Jacobson will be able to play 5, as well.

 

I guess we just will have to agree to disagree.  Morrow wasn't an outside shooter in high school either.  Playing a system where he is a stretch 4 and has to make outside shots is probably not the best fit for his skill set. 

 

 

Great players make adjustments to their game, which is why I specifically mentioned Serge Ibaka who had never shot a three let alone become an effective mid-range shooter before now. It's not a matter of disagreement; It is all about growth. Morrow has the capability to be a great player, IMHO. He'll be able to knock down open 15 footers when he's fully healthy.

[REDZONEDAN]

 

I'm fine with MJ at 5, but Morrow should be at 4 imo.

 

Just curious why you think that?  Morrow is more of a low post player only whereas Jacobson has more outside range to go along with his low post presence. 

 

That's just my opinion I formed based on his size and watching him throughout the season.  There were times he looked great playing the 5, so perhaps my opinion would be different if Morrow was playing healthy the entire season.  Either way, we need to add Jordy to the roster next season.

[hal9000]

His tweets don't give much of a clue as to what he's thinking, but there is this nice video that might make you a little more interested in his abilities:

 

Bump.

[hal9000]

JT retweeted the following: 

 

[ajb5856]

JT retweeted the following:

https://twitter.com/Nicque_21/status/727501754460311554

I'm fine with tight races as long as we win.

[AuroranHusker]

JT retweeted the following: 

 

 

Yannick is Jordy's older brother. Went on the recruiting trip with Jordy.

[khoock]

I thought Minnesota filled all of their scholarships?

[hhcmatt]

I thought Minnesota filled all of their scholarships?

 

As of today yes. Might just be a tweet to build some suspense.

[TheKamdyMan]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm fine with MJ at 5, but Morrow should be at 4 imo.

 

Just curious why you think that?  Morrow is more of a low post player only whereas Jacobson has more outside range to go along with his low post presence. 

 

 

I don't know that offensively we can play Morrow and Jordy at the same time. To me, that makes Morrow a 5.

 

 

Morrow needs to get his Serge Ibaka outside game going & he'll be able to play the stretch 4 some day. Block shots, D up, and hit a jumper now & then. And, of course, hit the glass like a mad man!

 

I don't think Morrow will ever be a stretch 4.  He's just not a shooter; that isn't his game.  That's okay as not everyone is a shooter, and a 4 doesn't need to be a Stretch 4 to be effective.

 

I think Jacobson and Morrow are both 4s, but the offense has to be run completely different for each of them as they have such dissimilar games from one another.

 

 

I don't expect three-pointers, by any stretch. I do think Morrow can knock down 15'-17' jumpers so I would classify him as a "potential" stretch 4. He has good form. He had foot issues this year. On one side of the paint he'll be much better by opening up the floor for driving lanes by Gill et al if Ed can knock down that corner pull-up shot consistently.

 

Jacobson and Morrow aren't entirely that different, once a healthy Morrow is able to show his jumper more, Ed will become more valuable to the offensive sets. Morrow is a very good player who needs to grow his game. Jacobson is very well-heeled already. Both can get it done at the 4, IMHO. Jacobson will be able to play 5, as well.

 

I guess we just will have to agree to disagree.  Morrow wasn't an outside shooter in high school either.  Playing a system where he is a stretch 4 and has to make outside shots is probably not the best fit for his skill set. 

 

 

Great players make adjustments to their game, which is why I specifically mentioned Serge Ibaka who had never shot a three let alone become an effective mid-range shooter before now. It's not a matter of disagreement; It is all about growth. Morrow has the capability to be a great player, IMHO. He'll be able to knock down open 15 footers when he's fully healthy.

 

 

The problem with the Serge comparison is he didnt start taking those shots until his 6th season at age 25 in the NBA, which is well after he established himself and his role. Serge established his role for several years by perfecting what he did well and then improved after that on the parts of his game he needed work, like long range shooting.  We would want the same from Morrow but unfortunately we cant keep him around that long so expecting that kind of change is asking quite a bit.  I think if he gets even somewhat consistent from 10-13 feet will be more than enough from him to extend his game.

[hhcmatt]

 

Robin dropped a May 18th spring signing deadline.  Also we might be in a bit of a holding pattern waiting on Jordy to make up his mind in terms of what we do with our 1-2 scholarships left.

[ajb5856]

Heard Robin drop the May 18th Spring signing deadline date.

Ok question here. So does that date mean anything? I mean, can't he just decide on a school a couple days before classes start, enroll there and go? Or is it different for incoming freshman versus transfers where we see a guy like Andrew White wait and wait and wait before he decides?

[AuroranHusker]

 

 

Great players make adjustments to their game, which is why I specifically mentioned Serge Ibaka who had never shot a three let alone become an effective mid-range shooter before now. It's not a matter of disagreement; It is all about growth. Morrow has the capability to be a great player, IMHO. He'll be able to knock down open 15 footers when he's fully healthy.

 

 

The problem with the Serge comparison is he didnt start taking those shots until his 6th season at age 25 in the NBA, which is well after he established himself and his role. Serge established his role for several years by perfecting what he did well and then improved after that on the parts of his game he needed work, like long range shooting.  We would want the same from Morrow but unfortunately we cant keep him around that long so expecting that kind of change is asking quite a bit.  I think if he gets even somewhat consistent from 10-13 feet will be more than enough from him to extend his game.

 

 

It's an opportunity; never a problem. Analogies are always up for interpretation. I wasn't attempting to compare "Serge" to "Ed" though, I was comparing the expansion of jump-shooting abilities *some day* (relatively speaking). Once Ed is fully healthy, I believe Morrow can attempt the role of expanding his game in that regard.

 

No one expects Ed to be as perfect as a pro but we do expect him to get better. And, in my eyes, that is one way to do so.

 

I don't believe hitting from 10'-13' differs much from than 15'-17'. Form (arms & legs) and repetition.  Ed already has good form, I think he can hit a jump-shot consistently from free-throw depth. Guess we'll see...

[hhcmatt]

FWIW with Ed he had a better shooting percentage away from the rim than I thought though in very limited numbers.

I'd have to say my perception was potentially colored by some bad misses. Also, these numbers don't indicated where these shots were other than not at the rim/paint and not from 3.

 

http://hoop-math.com/Nebraska2016.php

 

He hit 47.2% of 2pt jump shots (17/36)

[FredsSlacks]

JT retweeted the following: 

 

miles may just stop recruiting big men all together if minnesota beats us out.

 

they've only been recruiting him for 2 months and won 8 games last year. and i have to assume pitino is on the hot seat.

 

and then to top it off, i just read on here that minnesota has no open scholarships.

[AuroranHusker]

FWIW with Ed he had a better shooting percentage away from the rim than I thought though in very limited numbers.

I'd have to say my perception was potentially colored by some bad misses. Also, these numbers don't indicated where these shots were other than not at the rim/paint and not from 3.

 

http://hoop-math.com/Nebraska2016.php

 

He hit 47.2% of 2pt jump shots (17/36)

 

And Ed was somewhat hobbled for much of the season, it seemed. Will be great to see Morrow at full strength in 2016-17.

[Dean Smith]

4 man, 5 man, they're just labels. Different people do different things so we label one a "stretch" and another a "power" but they're just more labels. You get your pieces to fit together and as long as they do, they don't have to fit into any existing paradigm that fans have in their heads about what labels we are supposed to have on the floor at any given time.

[ajb5856]

4 man, 5 man, they're just labels. Different people do different things so we label one a "stretch" and another a "power" but they're just more labels. You get your pieces to fit together and as long as they do, they don't have to fit into any existing paradigm that fans have in their heads about what labels we are supposed to have on the floor at any given time.

Nicely done

[bball23]

4 man, 5 man, they're just labels. Different people do different things so we label one a "stretch" and another a "power" but they're just more labels. You get your pieces to fit together and as long as they do, they don't have to fit into any existing paradigm that fans have in their heads about what labels we are supposed to have on the floor at any given time.

This!  Back in the day it was two guards, two forwards and a center.  Now we have a "stretch 4" "power 4" "power 5" "small guard" "shooting guard" etc.  You just match up with your opponents the best of your abilities.  Plain and simple.

[hhcmatt]

4 man, 5 man, they're just labels. Different people do different things so we label one a "stretch" and another a "power" but they're just more labels. You get your pieces to fit together and as long as they do, they don't have to fit into any existing paradigm that fans have in their heads about what labels we are supposed to have on the floor at any given time.

 

I think there is value in pidgenholing guys into descriptions like this for evaluating the pieces that make up your team but overall agree with your point that the fit of your players is more important than having a set number of types out there.

[hhcmatt]

Slightly back on the topic of Jordy, a season ending injury was the reason for Link not having any appearances at Blinn College after January 20th. The guy is a project player possibly still rehabilitating from an injury...it's very probable he would never play a meaningful minute if he ever came here.

 

Link left TCU to get more playing time....while it might be nice to be on the same team as your brother it's very probable he would never play anything but garbage time if we offered and he came here.  If that guy wants to build up his game for playing pro somewhere he really needs to find a smaller school where he can play right away and build up his stock.