Are Pelini's Recruits Mediocre? Discuss:

[atskooc]

Well, most of our football recruits are just so-so; I guess it would make sense.

[HB]

Well, most of our football recruits are just so-so; I guess it would make sense.

Not even close to true

[atskooc]

 

Well, most of our football recruits are just so-so; I guess it would make sense.

Not even close to true

 

Did you watch the draft?

[Vinny]

I watched the draft. I recalled that this year would be the year that Pelini's first recruiting class would be up for the draft.  You know, the class he had to scrape together when he took over the program?  Hell, Burkhead wasn't actually part of that class, he came the next year, but never redshirted.  So yes, I watched the draft and I kept in mind why we had a poor showing, and that our poor showing in no way reflected the quality of recruits currently coming in to our football program.  That will be reflected in the draft four to five years from now.  Since, you know, recruits don't get drafted two months after signing their letters of intent.  

[atskooc]

I watched the draft. I recalled that this year would be the year that Pelini's first recruiting class would be up for the draft.  You know, the class he had to scrape together when he took over the program?  Hell, Burkhead wasn't actually part of that class, he came the next year, but never redshirted.  So yes, I watched the draft and I kept in mind why we had a poor showing, and that our poor showing in no way reflected the quality of recruits currently coming in to our football program.  That will be reflected in the draft four to five years from now.  Since, you know, recruits don't get drafted two months after signing their letters of intent.  

So, Pelini's first four recruiting classes don't count?

[Nebrasketballer]

 

I watched the draft. I recalled that this year would be the year that Pelini's first recruiting class would be up for the draft.  You know, the class he had to scrape together when he took over the program?  Hell, Burkhead wasn't actually part of that class, he came the next year, but never redshirted.  So yes, I watched the draft and I kept in mind why we had a poor showing, and that our poor showing in no way reflected the quality of recruits currently coming in to our football program.  That will be reflected in the draft four to five years from now.  Since, you know, recruits don't get drafted two months after signing their letters of intent.  

So, Pelini's first four recruiting classes don't count?

 

What are you talking about?  This year's draft class wasn't Pelini's "first four classes"...  This isn't Kentucky bball where the players are recruited to only stay one season in college...

[atskooc]

 

 

I watched the draft. I recalled that this year would be the year that Pelini's first recruiting class would be up for the draft.  You know, the class he had to scrape together when he took over the program?  Hell, Burkhead wasn't actually part of that class, he came the next year, but never redshirted.  So yes, I watched the draft and I kept in mind why we had a poor showing, and that our poor showing in no way reflected the quality of recruits currently coming in to our football program.  That will be reflected in the draft four to five years from now.  Since, you know, recruits don't get drafted two months after signing their letters of intent.  

So, Pelini's first four recruiting classes don't count?

 

What are you talking about?  This year's draft class wasn't Pelini's "first four classes"...  This isn't Kentucky bball where the players are recruited to only stay one season in college...

 

He said this class didn't count because it was in shambles when Pelini got here and that having only two players drafted this year isn't an indication of the players being brought in now.  But what about the average players in the four classes between the first one and the players now?  He conveniently ignored them.

[Nebrasketballer]

 

 

 

I watched the draft. I recalled that this year would be the year that Pelini's first recruiting class would be up for the draft.  You know, the class he had to scrape together when he took over the program?  Hell, Burkhead wasn't actually part of that class, he came the next year, but never redshirted.  So yes, I watched the draft and I kept in mind why we had a poor showing, and that our poor showing in no way reflected the quality of recruits currently coming in to our football program.  That will be reflected in the draft four to five years from now.  Since, you know, recruits don't get drafted two months after signing their letters of intent.  

So, Pelini's first four recruiting classes don't count?

 

What are you talking about?  This year's draft class wasn't Pelini's "first four classes"...  This isn't Kentucky bball where the players are recruited to only stay one season in college...

 

He said this class didn't count because it was in shambles when Pelini got here and that having only two players drafted this year isn't an indication of the players being brought in now.  But what about the average players in the four classes between the first one and the players now?  He conveniently ignored them.

 

I understood Vinny's post to mean that since Pelini coached LSU in the national championship game, which was in January, that gave him very little time to build relationships with quality recruits before signing day.  I'm pretty sure most people would agree that the #1 part of recruiting is building relationships (if you are not a basketball blue blood like Kansas, Duke, North Carolina, Kentucky, etc...) and Pelini had little time to do that. I understood Vinny's post to mean that we should not judge Pelini's recruiting by this first class.

 

By the way, Pelini's first four recruiting classes include a bunch of guys that have a good shot to get drafted by the time they are done at Nebraska:

 

Taylor Martinez (maybe not at QB, but he is a dynamic enough player that he will probably get a shot at some position)

Kenny Bell

Jason Ankrah

Quincy Enunwa

Ciante Evans

Harvey Jackson

Charles Jackson

Corey Cooper

Stanley Jean-Baptiste

Mohammed Seisay

Jonathan Rose

David Santos

Jammal Turner

Ameer Abdullah

A handful of OL will likely get a look as well...

 

 

In addition to players in Pelini's first four recruiting classes that have already been drafted:

Brandon Kinnie

Dejon Gomes

Lavonte David

Rex Burkhead

Damion Stafford

[Vinny]

 

 

 

 

I watched the draft. I recalled that this year would be the year that Pelini's first recruiting class would be up for the draft.  You know, the class he had to scrape together when he took over the program?  Hell, Burkhead wasn't actually part of that class, he came the next year, but never redshirted.  So yes, I watched the draft and I kept in mind why we had a poor showing, and that our poor showing in no way reflected the quality of recruits currently coming in to our football program.  That will be reflected in the draft four to five years from now.  Since, you know, recruits don't get drafted two months after signing their letters of intent.  

So, Pelini's first four recruiting classes don't count?

 

What are you talking about?  This year's draft class wasn't Pelini's "first four classes"...  This isn't Kentucky bball where the players are recruited to only stay one season in college...

 

He said this class didn't count because it was in shambles when Pelini got here and that having only two players drafted this year isn't an indication of the players being brought in now.  But what about the average players in the four classes between the first one and the players now?  He conveniently ignored them.

 

I understood Vinny's post to mean that since Pelini coached LSU in the national championship game, which was in January, that gave him very little time to build relationships with quality recruits before signing day.  I'm pretty sure most people would agree that the #1 part of recruiting is building relationships (if you are not a basketball blue blood like Kansas, Duke, North Carolina, Kentucky, etc...) and Pelini had little time to do that. I understood Vinny's post to mean that we should not judge Pelini's recruiting by this first class.

 

By the way, Pelini's first four recruiting classes include a bunch of guys that have a good shot to get drafted by the time they are done at Nebraska:

 

Taylor Martinez (maybe not at QB, but he is a dynamic enough player that he will probably get a shot at some position)

Kenny Bell

Jason Ankrah

Quincy Enunwa

Ciante Evans

Harvey Jackson

Charles Jackson

Corey Cooper

Stanley Jean-Baptiste

Mohammed Seisay

Jonathan Rose

David Santos

Jammal Turner

Ameer Abdullah

A handful of OL will likely get a look as well...

 

 

In addition to players in Pelini's first four recruiting classes that have already been drafted:

Brandon Kinnie

Dejon Gomes

Lavonte David

Rex Burkhead

Damion Stafford

 

What he said.  Thanks Baller.  

[uneblinstu]

nm

[Norm Peterson]

 

I watched the draft. I recalled that this year would be the year that Pelini's first recruiting class would be up for the draft.  You know, the class he had to scrape together when he took over the program?  Hell, Burkhead wasn't actually part of that class, he came the next year, but never redshirted.  So yes, I watched the draft and I kept in mind why we had a poor showing, and that our poor showing in no way reflected the quality of recruits currently coming in to our football program.  That will be reflected in the draft four to five years from now.  Since, you know, recruits don't get drafted two months after signing their letters of intent.  

So, Pelini's first four recruiting classes don't count?

 

Huh? 

 

I musta missed something.  How long has Pelini been our coach?  This is Pelini's 5th senior class since he's been at Nebraska?  I don't think so.

 

I mean, if we're supposed to be watching the draft in order to assess Pelini's recruiting, then you must be saying that Pelini was responsible for the recruiting classes that would have been up for the last 4 NFL drafts prior to this one.

 

Otherwise, your retort makes no sense.

[atskooc]

 

 

I watched the draft. I recalled that this year would be the year that Pelini's first recruiting class would be up for the draft.  You know, the class he had to scrape together when he took over the program?  Hell, Burkhead wasn't actually part of that class, he came the next year, but never redshirted.  So yes, I watched the draft and I kept in mind why we had a poor showing, and that our poor showing in no way reflected the quality of recruits currently coming in to our football program.  That will be reflected in the draft four to five years from now.  Since, you know, recruits don't get drafted two months after signing their letters of intent.  

So, Pelini's first four recruiting classes don't count?

 

Huh? 

 

I musta missed something.  How long has Pelini been our coach?  This is Pelini's 5th senior class since he's been at Nebraska?  I don't think so.

 

I mean, if we're supposed to be watching the draft in order to assess Pelini's recruiting, then you must be saying that Pelini was responsible for the recruiting classes that would have been up for the last 4 NFL drafts prior to this one.

 

Otherwise, your retort makes no sense.

 

I was changing topics slightly from simply looking at the NFL Draft results to looking at the average recruiting classes (and performance from the players) Pelini has brought in.

 

Definitely didn't make that clear.

[Huskerpapa]

I believe the nature of recruiting has changed DRAMATICALLY over the past ten to fifteen years.  Because of these changes, I do think Bo and company do a remarkable job recruiting.  Bo (like Coach Miles) is not out there making false promises and so forth, they are telling kids what to expect and what we can offer.  If the kid wants to hear that they have a position guarenteed, it ain't going to happen here.  And trust me, that does happen, and it happened here for a short period of time.

 

So am I happy with Bo and his recruiting ability, yes!

[nustudent]

Bo's finishing touches on the 2008 and his 2009 class was mediocre.  

 

His 2010 classes and beyond will prove to be better.

[Huskerpapa]

Hope this works, if it does, go out and look at the various classes starting in Bo's first year.  There sure are a lot of stars shown on those pages.  Are there some misses, sure, but there are many successes as well.  It is also important to remember, that changing conferences has a cause and effect as well.  Not making excuses, just trying to provide texture.

 

http://rivals.yahoo.com/nebraska/football/recruiting/commitments/2009

[atskooc]

Hope this works, if it does, go out and look at the various classes starting in Bo's first year.  There sure are a lot of stars shown on those pages.  Are there some misses, sure, but there are many successes as well.  It is also important to remember, that changing conferences has a cause and effect as well.  Not making excuses, just trying to provide texture.

 

http://rivals.yahoo.com/nebraska/football/recruiting/commitments/2009

On paper, 2011 looks solid!  But the problem there is he was recruiting a player who was never going to be on the team (Starling) and several of the other high-star guys have proven to be mediocre at best (or have transferred already).  At quick glance it feels like half the four-star recruits from 2010 and 2011 aren't even on the team anymore (and not because they were good enough to be drafted early). Which means we're having to rely on low-level talent to make up for the high-talent guys who aren't here anymore or who haven't panned out. 

 

Heck, Steinkuhler was our last 5-star guy (and my dog could have recruited him to Nebraska) and played out of position for his entire tenure (our coaches even admitted he would be an NFL offensive tackle).  That kind of recruiting performance shouldn't happen here.

 

Throw Pelini's whining in the press about how hard it is to recruit to Nebraska in the mix, and I have a terrible taste in my mouth for his recruiting results and attitude.

[bobcat402]

when i camped at lincoln during high school, i camped with Baker the summer before our senior years. and ill never forget nor forgive billy c for not offering this kid.( and i liked billy c somewhat) but this kid from colorado who played DT, i think he ran a high 5's 40yrder, anyways he absolutly beat the dog crap outta Baker in anything that required first step and explosion. I always felt like Baker was more name than substance.

[a0t0w0]

 

Hope this works, if it does, go out and look at the various classes starting in Bo's first year.  There sure are a lot of stars shown on those pages.  Are there some misses, sure, but there are many successes as well.  It is also important to remember, that changing conferences has a cause and effect as well.  Not making excuses, just trying to provide texture.

 

http://rivals.yahoo.com/nebraska/football/recruiting/commitments/2009

On paper, 2011 looks solid!  But the problem there is he was recruiting a player who was never going to be on the team (Starling) and several of the other high-star guys have proven to be mediocre at best (or have transferred already).  At quick glance it feels like half the four-star recruits from 2010 and 2011 aren't even on the team anymore (and not because they were good enough to be drafted early). Which means we're having to rely on low-level talent to make up for the high-talent guys who aren't here anymore or who haven't panned out. 

 

Heck, Steinkuhler was our last 5-star guy (and my dog could have recruited him to Nebraska) and played out of position for his entire tenure (our coaches even admitted he would be an NFL offensive tackle).  That kind of recruiting performance shouldn't happen here.

 

Throw Pelini's whining in the press about how hard it is to recruit to Nebraska in the mix, and I have a terrible taste in my mouth for his recruiting results and attitude.

 

 

I admire the fact that Pelini has put together the wins he has DESPITE of recruiting, but I agree that the recruiting looks bad based on draft results. 

 

You're right about the whining- it is what it is.  At the same time he's right.  Why come to Nebraska? To play in the Big 10, which has lost a lot of credibility in the last few years?  The weather? The tradition?  We're getting close to the point where these players weren't even alive during the glory years...

 

Baker got shafted by playing DL instead of OL.  It's great he made the switch to help the teams success, but at what cost to him personally? 

[unl]

Are there any websites keeping track of Husker draftees?   Some teams aren't reporting a whole lot on some of the rookies (part of it is there isn't much news to report at this point).

[ballgame]

Is Pelini mediocre might be a better question.  Hell, I think we know our answer in year 6.  Pathetic effort today.

[atskooc]

Is Pelini mediocre might be a better question.  Hell, I think we know our answer in year 6.  Pathetic effort today.

Yup.

 

What's more pathetic is it wasn't terribly unexpected.

[Huskerpapa]

Bo does a lot right.  In game adjustments do not seem to be one of them.  I am not ready to give up on Bo and his staff quite yet though.  Again, he and his staff are top notch in many areas.

[atskooc]

Bo does a lot right.  In game adjustments do not seem to be one of them.  I am not ready to give up on Bo and his staff quite yet though.  Again, he and his staff are top notch in many areas.

Can you name the areas in which they are top notch?

[Huskerpapa]

 

Bo does a lot right.  In game adjustments do not seem to be one of them.  I am not ready to give up on Bo and his staff quite yet though.  Again, he and his staff are top notch in many areas.

Can you name the areas in which they are top notch?

 

Yes, I sure can.  But instead of dwelling on the positives...I will simply let the naysayers have their day.  After Saturday's loss, they deserve it.

[49r]

Let's make sure to not give UCLA any credit here.  It's not like they are a legit top 10 team and Pac 12 title contender or anything.